Comments on: Chart of the day, NYC biking edition http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: mariaconzemius http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34227 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:06:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-34227 I certainly remember the hundreds of New Yorkers leaving NYC on foot 9/11/01 after the two planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers. Those New Yorkers could have escaped the dust and smoke faster on bicycles and negotiated traffic jams by bike better than by car.

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By: quinctilius http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33980 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 03:54:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33980 MatthewAimon – I certainly understand the stark difference between the two, I’d wager better than you. My point was not to give Iris credit for the transformation, simply to point out that the arrival of Janette and the improvements for cycling are not necessarily causal. Iris despised and despises cycling. But Dan Doctoroff, former Deputy Mayor, didn’t. And the commitment to the so often lauded 200-miles came before Janette arrived.

The quality of the bicycle infrastructure is an entirely different matter and something for which Janette’s drive deserves enormous credit.

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By: MatthewAlmon http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33970 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:50:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33970 Giving Weinshall too much credit for anything bike related is bad form. While working for NYC’s biggest bike lobby during both her tenure and the start of the JSK tenure, I can say the turnaround was night and day. We literally had to fight Iris tooth and nail for any improvements. When JSK came in, she hired half the advocacy community to be deputy commissioners and top advisors. We used to joke that JSK was either seriously committed to a new vision for New York, or it was a sinister plot to defang the advocacy community by getting them to work for the man!

Caution on using San Francisco as a control group: while it’s true lifting the injunction created a very clear moment of change and the city has begun a sharrows and striping binge, the parallels should stop with the paint. SF’s new lanes are substandard and not safe (here the SFMTA will crow about its lane widths, but as a regular rider, they suck), except for a marginal stretch of Market Street, where they’ve made some innovations. Valencia, the most popular corridor, still leaves one fending with doors opening into the bike lane, creating a none-too-comfortable feeling and leaving cyclists vulnerable. Until SF embraces separated lanes, it will continue to shun the most critical new and old cyclists, the 8-80 bunch.

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By: quinctilius http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33966 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:34:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33966 While Janette certainly helped contribute to it..I think your chart shows a false correlation. The arrow could also point to September 12, 2006 when then-Commission Iris Weinshall announced the plan to build the 200 miles of bike lanes, a commitment Janette inherited when she was appointed commissioner: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pd f/pr06_50.pdf

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By: offpeak34 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33949 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:18:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33949 I would’ve liked to see you overlay the price of oil/gasoline on that chart (and maybe add a line for the price of a subway ride). I’d be it looks awfully similar! While bike lanes certainly help the cause, the proximate cause of the increase in bike commutes, and the proliferation of bike lanes is IMO the spike in the cost of transportation.

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By: MKCurious http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33943 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:55:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33943 I’m going to have to cry foul here–I support JSK, but Felix can’t seriously think that the data backs up his claims.

For example, Felix claims that the Brooklyn Bridge should be among the busiest bike corridors in the city–maybe this would be true if it wasn’t old, narrow, and filled with tourists. Instead, there is a much better biking bridge immediately next to it, the Manhattan Bridge, that has had the most traffic growth of any of the New York bridges. The reason the Brooklyn Bridge hasn’t kept pace with the Queensboro is because commuters are taking the bridge right next to it.

JSK is an inspiring bike commissioner, but the highest YoY increase began several months after she took office. I’m skeptical that the increase in bike usage can be entirely ascribed to her actions (in the same way that Guiliani wasn’t wholly responsible for NYC’s drop in crime). Bicycling seems to be becoming more popular around the country. And the main alternative to biking in New York is the very effective public transit system, so bicycling isn’t a huge cost saver–it’s just a way to get some exercise on the way to work in the morning.

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By: qrt145 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33939 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:31:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33939 q, I doubt one million people commute from Queens to Manhattan every day. The Queens population is 2.23 million according to the census. Nearly half of them are too young to work or retired (although admittedly a some students and retirees might study in Manhattan or visit Manhattan for other reasons). Then you have a significant number of “housewives/househusbands” or unemployed people who don’t need to go to Manhattan every day. Then you have all the people who work for the government in Queens, such as police, firefighters, teachers, etc. Then you have all the small businesses, or even chain businesses such as grocery stores, restaurants, etc. Then you have the people who work at the airports, at companies based in Queens, etc. Then you have the Queens residents who work in some borough other than Manhattan, or even outside the city. Do you think that still leaves you with one million who commute to Manhattan? I would be surprised, but I’m open to looking at more detailed statistics. But my guess would be half a million at most. Does that still make the fraction of cyclist commuters to Manhattan very small? Yes, but it’s growing, and can keep growing for a while. I don’t expect it will ever get close to 100%.

(Some people crossing the Queensboro Bridge might come from beyond Queens. They live farther and are thus even less likely to commute by bicycle…)

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By: Sechel http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33934 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:24:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33934 I wonder if this is a reflection on state and cost of public transportation.

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By: aerligtalt3 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33929 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:03:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33929 “The lesson of this chart, then, is that if you build bike lanes, cyclists will appear to fill them.”

Correction: if you build QUALITY bike lanes, that are and feel safe to riders, and are part of a complete network that gets people where they want to go…

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By: MacCruiskeen http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/12/10/chart-of-the-day-nyc-biking-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-33927 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:56:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11460#comment-33927 Indeed, bike commuting is generally up everywhere in the past few years, for a variety of reasons. High energy prices, and increased spending on infrastructure, and also lower accident rates. Better infrastructure=safer rides. Not to diminish JSK’s role as an advocate, since making anything useful happen in New York can be a Herculean task. And, q, Other surveys put NYC’s bike commuter rate at about .6 percent. Which puts it about 40th in the US metro areas. The numbers Felix quotes above are about what we get on a good day here in Cambridge.

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