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	<title>Comments on: Improbably unwalkable city of the day, Jerusalem edition</title>
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	<description>A slice of lime in the soda</description>
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		<title>By: ErnieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErnieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old towns were designed to have a handful of main clear avenues leading to the limited number of city gates so that horsemen could maneouver in defence. However, for defence purposes most towns were built on hills and the streets were set up based on the topography which could be very variable.

So you ended up with very convuluted street layouts that were often useful in local defences for individual streets or local parts of the town. The thing that makes many of those areas walkable, but not driveable, were the little alleyways that would get built to allow for pedestrian, but not horse, traffic. some of these cut throughs require steps to transition from one topohgraphic area to another. Modern automobile-based design often neglects putting those little cut-throughs in place that existed in the ancient and medieval towns, so the cars follow long windy roads tracking the contours of the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old towns were designed to have a handful of main clear avenues leading to the limited number of city gates so that horsemen could maneouver in defence. However, for defence purposes most towns were built on hills and the streets were set up based on the topography which could be very variable.</p>
<p>So you ended up with very convuluted street layouts that were often useful in local defences for individual streets or local parts of the town. The thing that makes many of those areas walkable, but not driveable, were the little alleyways that would get built to allow for pedestrian, but not horse, traffic. some of these cut throughs require steps to transition from one topohgraphic area to another. Modern automobile-based design often neglects putting those little cut-throughs in place that existed in the ancient and medieval towns, so the cars follow long windy roads tracking the contours of the land.</p>
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		<title>By: desintegrado</title>
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		<dc:creator>desintegrado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a suburban area in southern Madrid built in the 70s:

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?msid=201247910824497624305.0004b59d269dbce89aee0&amp;msa=0&amp;ll=40.331546,-3.864634&amp;spn=0.01042,0.023303

There is about 45.000 people living here, zoom in the mapped area and you will see that buildings (6 to 10 floors high) are scattered across green areas and cul-de-sacs (not many of them though) are connected through walkable parks.

This is the place where I was raised, not much fun (suburban at the end) but in terms of efficiency, public transit (2 metro stations, 1 commuter station and 2 fast bus lines into Madrid city which go through the highway passing north to the area) and walkability is great.

Of course, parking was always a nightmare (in the 70s not every family had even one car in Spain) that was mitigated after many underground parkings were built 30 years later.

There is also two big sports recreational centers, a few schools (primary and secondary), a great public health care system and a university in the northwest boundary.

Again, I was raised here, boring for a teenager, but in terms of urban design I always wondered why there are not many places like this, even in high density Madrid and Barcelona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a suburban area in southern Madrid built in the 70s:</p>
<p><a href='http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?msid=201247910824497624305.0004b59d269dbce89aee0&#038;msa=0&#038;ll=40.331546,-3.864634&#038;spn=0.01042,0.023303'>http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?msid=20124 7910824497624305.0004b59d269dbce89aee0&#038;m sa=0&#038;ll=40.331546,-3.864634&#038;spn=0.01042, 0.023303</a></p>
<p>There is about 45.000 people living here, zoom in the mapped area and you will see that buildings (6 to 10 floors high) are scattered across green areas and cul-de-sacs (not many of them though) are connected through walkable parks.</p>
<p>This is the place where I was raised, not much fun (suburban at the end) but in terms of efficiency, public transit (2 metro stations, 1 commuter station and 2 fast bus lines into Madrid city which go through the highway passing north to the area) and walkability is great.</p>
<p>Of course, parking was always a nightmare (in the 70s not every family had even one car in Spain) that was mitigated after many underground parkings were built 30 years later.</p>
<p>There is also two big sports recreational centers, a few schools (primary and secondary), a great public health care system and a university in the northwest boundary.</p>
<p>Again, I was raised here, boring for a teenager, but in terms of urban design I always wondered why there are not many places like this, even in high density Madrid and Barcelona.</p>
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		<title>By: MickWeinstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>MickWeinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tudsy is right - the Holyland towers were the biggest real estate corruption scandal in recent history here. We look out on that building from our porch - our kids call it &#039;the monster&#039; - it&#039;s like a huge middle finger pointing to the rest of the city. Not surprising pedestrian access to/from it is so poor, as the whole thing wasn&#039;t approved before building. That promotional graphic/text is a joke.

It&#039;s unfortunate that Mr. Lewyn&#039;s family didn&#039;t check with a local before renting there. Other neighborhoods of Jerusalem provide easy access to the main attractions - with a little workout for your legs on the hills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tudsy is right &#8211; the Holyland towers were the biggest real estate corruption scandal in recent history here. We look out on that building from our porch &#8211; our kids call it &#8216;the monster&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s like a huge middle finger pointing to the rest of the city. Not surprising pedestrian access to/from it is so poor, as the whole thing wasn&#8217;t approved before building. That promotional graphic/text is a joke.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that Mr. Lewyn&#8217;s family didn&#8217;t check with a local before renting there. Other neighborhoods of Jerusalem provide easy access to the main attractions &#8211; with a little workout for your legs on the hills.</p>
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		<title>By: masafuera</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34659</link>
		<dc:creator>masafuera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this, too: http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/breakdowns-and-breaking-points/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this, too: <a href='http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/breakdowns-and-breaking-points/'>http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2011/1 2/17/breakdowns-and-breaking-points/</a></p>
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		<title>By: masafuera</title>
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		<dc:creator>masafuera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Singaporean: Singapore is NOT an incredibly walkable city, partially because of the heat, partially because public transport is anything but &quot;amazing&quot; lately, partially because Singapore is not built for walking or even cycling like, say, Boston/Cambridge. 

This comment comes right after a series of train breakdowns affecting ALL train lines for about a week before Christmas, and a bus driver killed a stationary driver on a road near where I live (in an underserved part of Singapore too). I&#039;m sorry, but I laughed rather hard. 

I think this article might elucidate: http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/share-with-public-all-data-on-bus-service-standards/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Singaporean: Singapore is NOT an incredibly walkable city, partially because of the heat, partially because public transport is anything but &#8220;amazing&#8221; lately, partially because Singapore is not built for walking or even cycling like, say, Boston/Cambridge. </p>
<p>This comment comes right after a series of train breakdowns affecting ALL train lines for about a week before Christmas, and a bus driver killed a stationary driver on a road near where I live (in an underserved part of Singapore too). I&#8217;m sorry, but I laughed rather hard. </p>
<p>I think this article might elucidate: <a href='http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/share-with-public-all-data-on-bus-service-standards/'>http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/0 1/02/share-with-public-all-data-on-bus-s ervice-standards/</a></p>
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		<title>By: me2i81</title>
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		<dc:creator>me2i81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vancouver, B.C. is very walkable downtown, and has been building dense housing stock with the idea that families, and not just single rich people, might want to live there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vancouver, B.C. is very walkable downtown, and has been building dense housing stock with the idea that families, and not just single rich people, might want to live there.</p>
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		<title>By: Setty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Setty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as new development, some of new Santiago is OK. But there is anti-pedestrian sprawl here too. Keep looking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as new development, some of new Santiago is OK. But there is anti-pedestrian sprawl here too. Keep looking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shihong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shihong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Singapore is a blast for walking, mainly due to the amazing public transport system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Singapore is a blast for walking, mainly due to the amazing public transport system.</p>
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		<title>By: BarryKelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarryKelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That kind of loopy street layout can work, but it needs lots of pedestrian / cyclist shortcuts. I bristle at Michael (in the linked article) advocating grid layout. I can&#039;t stand cities with grid layouts; I think they&#039;re unspeakably inhuman, particularly when combined with hilly terrain.

Cities with a lot of hills demand streets that follow contour lines or otherwise minimize sharp gradients, combined with stepped shortcuts or even funiculars and lifts like Lisbon. The alternative is unpleasant inclines that leave you sweaty; I&#039;ve walked across the whole of SF often enough to resent them thar hills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That kind of loopy street layout can work, but it needs lots of pedestrian / cyclist shortcuts. I bristle at Michael (in the linked article) advocating grid layout. I can&#8217;t stand cities with grid layouts; I think they&#8217;re unspeakably inhuman, particularly when combined with hilly terrain.</p>
<p>Cities with a lot of hills demand streets that follow contour lines or otherwise minimize sharp gradients, combined with stepped shortcuts or even funiculars and lifts like Lisbon. The alternative is unpleasant inclines that leave you sweaty; I&#8217;ve walked across the whole of SF often enough to resent them thar hills.</p>
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		<title>By: jomiku</title>
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		<dc:creator>jomiku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually suburban Jerusalem. There are multiple definitions of Jerusalem but the one you seem to be using is &quot;greater Jerusalem.&quot; The area in question is supposed to be green and suburban according to the planning. There isn&#039;t a lot of green in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually suburban Jerusalem. There are multiple definitions of Jerusalem but the one you seem to be using is &#8220;greater Jerusalem.&#8221; The area in question is supposed to be green and suburban according to the planning. There isn&#8217;t a lot of green in general.</p>
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		<title>By: tudsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tudsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The older parts of Jerusalem are in fact quite walkable.  The Holyland development is a nightmare in almost every way. It was born from corruption, of course. Just Google &quot;holyland bribery scandal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The older parts of Jerusalem are in fact quite walkable.  The Holyland development is a nightmare in almost every way. It was born from corruption, of course. Just Google &#8220;holyland bribery scandal&#8221;.</p>
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