Comments on: Improbably unwalkable city of the day, Jerusalem edition http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: ErnieD http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34671 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:14:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34671 Old towns were designed to have a handful of main clear avenues leading to the limited number of city gates so that horsemen could maneouver in defence. However, for defence purposes most towns were built on hills and the streets were set up based on the topography which could be very variable.

So you ended up with very convuluted street layouts that were often useful in local defences for individual streets or local parts of the town. The thing that makes many of those areas walkable, but not driveable, were the little alleyways that would get built to allow for pedestrian, but not horse, traffic. some of these cut throughs require steps to transition from one topohgraphic area to another. Modern automobile-based design often neglects putting those little cut-throughs in place that existed in the ancient and medieval towns, so the cars follow long windy roads tracking the contours of the land.

]]>
By: desintegrado http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34661 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:42:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34661 This is a suburban area in southern Madrid built in the 70s:

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?msid=20124 7910824497624305.0004b59d269dbce89aee0&m sa=0&ll=40.331546,-3.864634&spn=0.01042, 0.023303

There is about 45.000 people living here, zoom in the mapped area and you will see that buildings (6 to 10 floors high) are scattered across green areas and cul-de-sacs (not many of them though) are connected through walkable parks.

This is the place where I was raised, not much fun (suburban at the end) but in terms of efficiency, public transit (2 metro stations, 1 commuter station and 2 fast bus lines into Madrid city which go through the highway passing north to the area) and walkability is great.

Of course, parking was always a nightmare (in the 70s not every family had even one car in Spain) that was mitigated after many underground parkings were built 30 years later.

There is also two big sports recreational centers, a few schools (primary and secondary), a great public health care system and a university in the northwest boundary.

Again, I was raised here, boring for a teenager, but in terms of urban design I always wondered why there are not many places like this, even in high density Madrid and Barcelona.

]]>
By: MickWeinstein http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34660 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34660 tudsy is right – the Holyland towers were the biggest real estate corruption scandal in recent history here. We look out on that building from our porch – our kids call it ‘the monster’ – it’s like a huge middle finger pointing to the rest of the city. Not surprising pedestrian access to/from it is so poor, as the whole thing wasn’t approved before building. That promotional graphic/text is a joke.

It’s unfortunate that Mr. Lewyn’s family didn’t check with a local before renting there. Other neighborhoods of Jerusalem provide easy access to the main attractions – with a little workout for your legs on the hills.

]]>
By: masafuera http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34659 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:57:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34659 And this, too: http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2011/1 2/17/breakdowns-and-breaking-points/

]]>
By: masafuera http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34658 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:50:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34658 As a Singaporean: Singapore is NOT an incredibly walkable city, partially because of the heat, partially because public transport is anything but “amazing” lately, partially because Singapore is not built for walking or even cycling like, say, Boston/Cambridge.

This comment comes right after a series of train breakdowns affecting ALL train lines for about a week before Christmas, and a bus driver killed a stationary driver on a road near where I live (in an underserved part of Singapore too). I’m sorry, but I laughed rather hard.

I think this article might elucidate: http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/0 1/02/share-with-public-all-data-on-bus-s ervice-standards/

]]>
By: me2i81 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34657 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:48:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34657 Vancouver, B.C. is very walkable downtown, and has been building dense housing stock with the idea that families, and not just single rich people, might want to live there.

]]>
By: Setty http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34655 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:57:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34655 As far as new development, some of new Santiago is OK. But there is anti-pedestrian sprawl here too. Keep looking…

]]>
By: Shihong http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34654 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:28:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34654 I believe Singapore is a blast for walking, mainly due to the amazing public transport system.

]]>
By: BarryKelly http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34653 Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:55:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34653 That kind of loopy street layout can work, but it needs lots of pedestrian / cyclist shortcuts. I bristle at Michael (in the linked article) advocating grid layout. I can’t stand cities with grid layouts; I think they’re unspeakably inhuman, particularly when combined with hilly terrain.

Cities with a lot of hills demand streets that follow contour lines or otherwise minimize sharp gradients, combined with stepped shortcuts or even funiculars and lifts like Lisbon. The alternative is unpleasant inclines that leave you sweaty; I’ve walked across the whole of SF often enough to resent them thar hills.

]]>
By: jomiku http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/02/improbably-unwalkable-city-of-the-day-jerusalem-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34652 Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:24:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=11681#comment-34652 This is actually suburban Jerusalem. There are multiple definitions of Jerusalem but the one you seem to be using is “greater Jerusalem.” The area in question is supposed to be green and suburban according to the planning. There isn’t a lot of green in general.

]]>