Comments on: The plight of Andrew Schiff http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: traduceri daneza romana http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-53519 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:57:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-53519 I like the valuable information you provide in your articles. I will bookmark your weblog and check again here regularly. I am quite certain I will learn plenty of new stuff right here! Good luck for the next!

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By: NoAlias http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-45717 Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:20:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-45717 The whole notion of forcing people to pay for other kids education seems silly to me. All education should be handled by the parents and I say that as a younger working class man with a number of children. I’d much rather have the freedom of choice in where I send my kids to school (with the extra money I’d have from not having to pay into Public schools), as opposed to being stuck sending them to government indoctrination camps.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36696 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:05:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36696 Good question, Danny_Black…

Note that the tax rates in the US are the lowest that they’ve been in several decades. Andrew Schiff’s parents almost certainly paid more income tax than he does (proportionately).

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By: Danny_Black http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36655 Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:37:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36655 Is the cost of living survey relative to after tax income?

I would be very surprised if Singapore is more expensive than NYC AFTER tax. Also how do they measure rentals in Seoul, given the completely different rental system they have there?

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36643 Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:43:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36643 “I went to public and private schools and I can tell you that the kids were WAY WAY WAY meaner and more horrible in private.”

Guess I’ve been lucky, then? That isn’t true of the Montessori school where my son attends, and that isn’t true of the Catholic school where I work. If it were, I wouldn’t have anything to do with either of them.

Then again, neither charges $30k tuition. Perhaps not all private schools are intended as snob farms?

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By: CitySlick http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36624 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:41:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36624 Don’t always agree with you, Felix. But you are spot on with the private education critique. Cobble Hill has some of the best public elementary schools in the country. (And District 15 has some of the best middle Schools.) So there has to be snobbishness or elitism at work in his decision to send his kids to private. It’s simply NOT NECESSARY in that part of Brooklyn. I live in the neighborhood, send my daughter to public, and it’s great. . . . And for those who think bullying only happens in public schools–I give you as an example the girl at the Brearly school who, this past fall, was kicked in the head so hard that she suffered permanent memory loss. . . I went to public and private schools and I can tell you that the kids were WAY WAY WAY meaner and more horrible in private. I actually think sending one’s children to elite new york city private schools is a disservice. They come away having no clue how the rest of the world lives.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36610 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:33:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36610 najdorf, on the contrary, I’m not the one making assumptions. Felix was using universal quantifiers. He tossed out the terms “nobody”, “only reason”, “epitome”, and so forth.

Fact is, he is wrong. You can disprove a universal claim with a single counterexample. I could give you dozens (though I’m more comfortable talking about my personal experience than discussing students I’ve taught).

He might have said, “most students are just as well served in the public schools as in the private schools”. Arguably true. He might have said, “many private schools offer nothing more than snob appeal”. Arguably true. But he didn’t say that — he made some exceptionally strong statements that demand refutation, and was intentionally insulting in the process TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT FIT THE BROADER STATISTICS.

“I have seen plenty of bullying and unmet needs in both public and private education.”

Sure, this is true. But in a specific situation where the public schools are not able/willing to meet the needs of a child, would you not rationally explore private alternatives? And being able to expel individuals who are physically violent is a huge advantage for the private schools.

“However, there are also rich NYC families who autopilot their kids into private schools for class reasons and then whine about costs. These people are unreasonable, and that was Felix’s point.”

Absolutely! Now if Felix had written that, I would have been agreeing with him. Apparently everybody knows what Felix meant except for Felix himself?

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By: najdorf http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36606 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:24:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36606 TFF – you are making a huge assumption about private schools based on your good luck finding one that appears to work for your particular child and your bad luck with the public school system. I have seen plenty of bullying and unmet needs in both public and private education. There is no silver bullet for the problems you talk about. There are times that a particular private school is the right choice for a family. However, there are also rich NYC families who autopilot their kids into private schools for class reasons and then whine about costs. These people are unreasonable, and that was Felix’s point.

Felix, I was thinking a similar thing about Schiff’s neighbors but you stated it very well. It’s a bit odd for someone who supposedly likes capitalism and works at a firm which claims a trading edge to be offended that his better-trading neighbors acquired the housing he desires and won’t trade it to him as cheaply as he would prefer. The lower-class lament that they are priced out of NYC because they don’t have the background to go into finance or don’t want to give up their underpaid human-service job rings a lot truer. But I guess we won’t see those folks featured in Bloomberg articles.

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By: Danny_Black http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36604 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 04:37:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36604 youniquelikeme, if you are english like Mr Salmon and me you know that certain words are slang for vagina. I only know one girl from school that had that nickname and that was because she was considered what Rush considered the law student to be.

Also I am going to suggest that given Mr Salmon’s accent he didn’t attend a inner city comp.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/05/the-plight-of-andrew-schiff/comment-page-1/#comment-36600 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:57:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12335#comment-36600 “It is a distinctively preppy name that someone of privilege might give their daughter.”

Really? I don’t know anybody who goes by “Muffy”. Guess I’m not in with the privileged crowd…

I’m not going to defend Schiff. Without going into details, he shows every sign of being a putz. But Felix went **WAY** overboard in his criticism of private education. Could he not have made his point with more measured language? And without dragging a child into it?

Suppose you’ll tell me I’m hyper-aggressive? If so, consider where I learned to be that way (and read Ender’s Game, which I didn’t encounter until I was an adult but describes portions of my childhood perfectly). Only one of the bullies I ever encountered bothered me more than once — but I want better than that for my son. I want him to grow up in safety, without needing to defend himself against anybody and everybody. Without carrying a chip on his shoulder. Without learning to be an intellectual snob (an attitude that took me years to unlearn), because that was the only way to survive an abusive environment.

Public schools are all vanilla. Private schools come in a variety of different flavors. There are valid reasons for preferring a private school for some children that have nothing to do with snobbery.

If Felix will acknowledge that simple fact, I’ll drop it.

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