Comments on: Fabulous journalism http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: traduceri daneza romana http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-55046 Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:58:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-55046 I was suggested this website by my cousin. I’m not sure whether this post is written by him as nobody else know such detailed about my problem. You are incredible! Thanks!

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By: MrRFox http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37149 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 04:58:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37149 ” I’m not one to claim that economic development necessarily causes democratic development, but they DO seem to be more than correlated.” (Walt French, last above)

Cool, Mr. French – you’ve found a fig leaf of allegedly ethical justification that gives us all the green light to pursue our personal financial self-interests without the need to even consider the consequences inflicted on others by the dragon our engagement feeds and nurtures. I’m sure we’re all ever so grateful.

If ever there is endowed a Nobel Prize for “Creative Contributions to the Art of Rationalization”, I’m nominating ….

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By: WaltFrench http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37133 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:18:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37133 On 3/19 at 2:58, MrRFox sardonically wrote, “But so what – as long as we all get our 30 Pieces of Silver, who gives a ….?”
I know I don’t live in a country with totally spotless hands. I doubt you do … that there is such a place.

The question we are addressing is HOW we make the world a better place, and specifically the false claims from one Mr. Daisey that obfuscate the role of Shenzhen in China’s actual progress towards democracy, economic independence and human rights.

I suggest you are not just naïve but disingenuous in implying that we disengage from China so as to dissuade them from their imperial adventures and human rights abuses. In fact, our policy since Kissinger has been one of more-or-less continuous engagement, with constant references to human rights. China has consistently objected to our “meddling” as ill-informed about the real risks of rebellion while asserting their right to independence from western imperialism that totally debased that country in the late 19th century. Especially as our relative economic power over China is shrinking, it behooves us, if we want to claim the moral high ground, to deal with issues such as democracy, human rights, worker rights and the lot, to not manufacture such easily-falsified claims as Mr. Daisey is peddling.

It’s all well and good for you to cite Chinese abuses; I find the corruption, stifling of rights and general treatment of the citizenry as chattel to be terrible, too. I am merely saying that if we are to have any positive influence on the outcome, we will have to get a lot smarter than to believe the children’s stories and encourage the steps that ARE in the right direction. I’m not one to claim that economic development necessarily causes democratic development, but they DO seem to be more than correlated.

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By: amateurediteur http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37092 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 02:56:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37092 What on earth does this have to do with North Korea? Focus, man.

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By: MushamukaD http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37090 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 02:40:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37090 This is a bit of a mess. I’m not sure what you mean by “narratives” as opposed to “stories,” or “nonfiction” as opposed to the “whole truth.” Nor do I entirely understand what you mean when you say that the best narratives aren’t messy or complicated. (What is Hamlet, but one damn complication after another?)

That said, I think you’re on to something. There is a genre that routinely distorts reality, simplifying and melodramatizing it. Only it’s not narrative nonfiction–see Katherine Boo’s book on Indian slum dwellers for the most recent counter-example–it’s Hollywood filmmaking.

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By: nvalvo http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37071 Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:26:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37071 “He never ended that story with an exhortation which would carry no weight if his audience thought the story was fiction…”

While we’re talking about facts, are you sure?

Shakespeare would never have recognized the fact/fiction distinction as you’ve put it here. History in Early Modernity was hortative in precisely the sense you’re trying to avoid; a Shakespeare history play is basically the worst example you could use.

But I totally understand, insofar as that distortion of well known facts of literary history is just a means to the end of the important point you’re making about journalistic integrity.

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By: rmhitchens http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37064 Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:19:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37064 So Kevin Slavin would dhoose truth over facts? Without facts it’s “truthiness” but not truth.

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By: MrRFox http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/17/fabulous-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-37034 Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:58:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=12506#comment-37034 “My wife’s relatives, who suffered greatly under the dogmatic programs of the past, have, since about 1980 when China opened up to capitalist notions, seen a tremendous improvement in their living conditions, thanks in part to the economic development that you call for shutting down.” (WaltFrench – 18th, 2pm)

Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Your wife’s family’s good fortune comes at the price of complicity on the part of all of us in the West in the entrenchment and empowerment of the Red regime that oppresses all the people of China, and finances the Red adventures in Tibet and Sudan and Syria and …. But so what – as long as we all get our 30 Pieces of Silver, who gives a ….?

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