Comments on: Kickstarter of the day, Flint-and-Tinder edition http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: traduceri daneza romana http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-53597 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 14:00:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-53597 in Glitschka’s very celebrated guide, “Vector Essential Coaching: A scientific Inventive Procedure regarding Making Detail Vector Artwork, very well typically the hands-on course will certainly guide people via a step-by-step process to get developing about Glitschka’s really acclaimed publication, “Vector Fundamental Exercising: A scientific Creative Procedure with regard to Creating Excellence Vector Lady, very well typically the hands-on study course will probably information people via a methodical process with regard to getting So that they can get a majority of the perform posted on this website (eventually); currently I’m sharing an old task: the cacher for a departmental chili cook-off that I won a united states Gate design give intended for in 2010. Often the photography of the soup potatoes will be stock which i have a bit fun doodling through. Each of our Copy Publisher Charlie Barcus published often the duplicate, i mixed some web site from Outdoors Western Press, that is Ashwood Abridged along with Gatlin Striking, in addition to Lucas een Groot’s The combo coming from the Thesis typeface placed for any smaller sized duplicate. The backdrop texture and consistancy originated Von Glitschka’s guide Fall apart Crackle Shed.

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By: reuterscomments http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44429 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:45:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-44429 I happened to find this posting when I was looking online for some commentary on the Flint and Tinder product I just bought (and happen to think is fantastic). What I love most about this post is not how “better than thou” it was towards the kickstarter campaign memeber, but how WRONG it was! This Kickstarter campaign, which was deemed an “example of Kickstarter-as-QVC which is extremely likely to fail,” turned out to be one of the most successful campaigns Kickstarter has seen to date. Not just successful, but a RECORD BREAKER. As techcrunch noted on October 21st, this Kickstarter Record Breaker received 850K in seed funding. Way to know the trends.

I applaud Felix’s desire to take a position, but …. seems he needs a better pulse on what the public really wants if he is going to be so adamant. Guess this was a post that was more extremely likely to fail than the product it was criticizing.

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By: exocet http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39714 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 02:18:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-39714 I stumbled upon this article while reading some other Reuters pieces and it piqued my interest. I wanted to learn more about the debate so I spent some time and did the research necessary (unlike the author who admitted he did not do his homework in his first article) in order for me to form an opinion and then make a comment.

My observations are thus:

1. The author in his original piece did try and make a go at analysing a potential pitfall or two with the Kickstarter model and nearly succeeded, such questioning should be encouraged as this model is still very new and hazards to it are definitely out there.

2. In view of 1., the author then decided to veer drastically off track and for unknown reasons make it a direct hit piece on Mr. Brosnstein.

3. The author appears to be a wannabee Perry Mason with a dose of Judge Judy with his accusation of “Flouting this restriction, …”. Sounds more like a personal opinion of Flint and Timber with the author acting as judge and jury with nothing in the way of supporting evidence or any commentary from Kickstarter.

4. The author goes on to further state “In a comment he left on my original post, Bronstein accused me of not being diligent in researching his background on the internet — which is kinda funny, given that he seems to be trying as hard as possible for people to do just that, both by taking down his own websites and by asking sites like Reuters to remove content about him.”

Wow, talk about a master stroke of spin and not having the BuckyBALLS to admit one was wrong (yes, he did admit his oversight but was wishy-washy at best and the usual way that a journalist trys to get around their oh so obvious mistake – blame the victim as they say).

5. The author states “His mention of Buckyballs, however, did remind me of this video, where Bronstein left an extremely aggressive and intimidating nastygram message for Zen Magnets, a smaller competitor.”

Watch the video, I did, and it really is quite good for two reasons:

1) Mr. Bronstein does comes off as complete “something that fits into every pair of Flint and Timbers” and probably if he has any “unmagnetized kahonas” left in them he would come out and admit this here since he obviously likes to be part of this live discussion, and,

2). The response by the guy from Zen Magnets to Mr. Bronstein is not only hilarious but he really does make a good argument for his product – kudos to him for facing down someone who obviously likes to use the legal system as a form of business terrorism/legalised extortion which is all too prevalent in American business now.

6. However, the authors point of “… did remind me of this video” makes no sense in the context of why he should remember anything about Mr. Bornstein unless he spent some additional time in trying to dig up some dirt or other nefarious scraps of information that could be thrown at Mr. Bronstein with the single minded intent of trying disparage his reputation – yellow journalism at its best/worst. Too bad the author did not do his research on Mr. Bronstein’s previous retailing/manufacturing background which on the surface appears to be fairly successful (hey, my kids have Buckyballs… and I have to admit they are kind of addictive).

7. I do agree with some of the other commenters here that trying to scruff up a measly $30k for a manufacturing venture in the US makes little sense from a guy who started a $20+ million dollar business a few short years before. Surely it was throwing off some cash, and if not, why not? Perhaps Mr. Bronstein can chime in and explain as this really does leave an unpleasant taste in one’s mouth.

8. At the end of the day Mr. Bronstein’s venture is, all things considered, a positive step forward for American based industries and its potential to create jobs and I applaud him for his efforts and tenacity.

9. The editors at Reuters have done a disservice to its readers by allowing the author to take such a personal approach and bias to Mr. Bronstein in view of that there is zero evidence in support of anything illegal or misappropriated by Mr. Bronstein – having an unknown personal grudge against Mr. Bronstein articulated in this way serves no one and is nothing short of a petulant rant under the guise of professional journalism.

I have probably rambled on a little further than I should have but it is interesting to see what should have been a more in depth investigative piece on Kickstarter and its potential long-term problems segue into a personal battle aired in real time. However, at the end of the day I see this in a very simple light … Mr. Bronstein wishes to create and build while the author has chosen to use his podium to take him down.

Sorry, Mr. Salmon, you are way off-base here and I have to side with Mr. Bronstein.

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By: flatipac http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39252 Sun, 20 May 2012 20:41:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-39252 For some projects, Kickstarter is about generating a market and a buzz, rather than simply generating funds. I think Flint and Tinder is such a project.

Also, there is the aspect of being able to generate a lot of money without coughing up portions of ownership of your company or paying back business loans.

Stop being cynical and give the guy a chance. If you don’t like it, don’t pitch in.

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By: CarlF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-38752 Tue, 08 May 2012 05:06:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-38752 Why has Jake omitted from his kickstarter bio that he was a realty show contestant as well as a professional internet hoaxer years ago or that Howard Stern wanted to feud with him? That would certainly be of interest to “funders” in his “company”. This guy made a name for himself pulling pranks all over the internet years ago. This will be his ultimate hoax when he takes the money and says HAHAHA to everyone that invested. Look at his designs, he’s brought back your grandpa’s underwear. Try changing the tax laws and health ins. requirement for employees before u manufacture in the USA, Jake. The only experience he has with underwear is as a fetishist. Check out these links for proof: http://jakebronstein.com/5/2005/01/story -more-than-my-moneys-worth.html
http://jakebronstein.com/5/2005/05/colle ction-making-something-special.html
http://jakebronstein.com/5/2005/06/colle ction-mini-me-times-three.html
http://gawker.com/110900/remainders-the- brondick-you-never-wanted
http://jakebronstein.com/5/2005/06/colle ction-clean-by-any-means.html
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/05/for d-fiesta-travesty-continues-car.html
http://wot.motortrend.com/no-fiesta-toda y-hot-magenta-ford-fiesta-stolen-in-us-f ord-tracking-car-4463.html
http://www.jakebronstein.com/2005_03_20_ archive.html
http://jakebronstein.com/5/2005/04/colle ction-mr-sparklepants.html

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By: urbanactive http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-38606 Thu, 03 May 2012 01:57:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-38606 Hi,

Well we have been trying to call both Kickstarters and Jake all day from the UK, we wanted to just ask, Q we as a UK company would also like to have urbanactive underwear made in the USA to export into London and the rest of the UK.

We got the run about, no reply and a bigger run around from his own ex-partners who ever these are.

If you want to do something about jobs in the US do reply be nice and try to work it out.

wwww.urbanactivedesigns.com a open and nice small company trying to just make conact, is it so hard?

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By: BruceT http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-38493 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:02:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-38493 Hey Felix:

You come off as a bit irritated…you may want to consider trying Buckyballs, they are great for relieving stress at work.

D Squared: I hope that is your bra size, because you clearly aren’t getting by based on your brains

Pacers – You sound like a straight shooter with upper management potential written all over you. From your post it’s obviously you know nothing about business

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By: cjzucker http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-38464 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:46:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-38464 Felix:

Remember the time you said Jake seemed to to have little if any manufacturing or retailing experience? And then added an asterisk later because you seem to have little, if any, reporting skills.

Good times.

Then remember when you added the Zen Magnets voicemail link because you were so embarrassed and didn’t know how else to respond to your own un-researched reporting yet still wanted to make some sort of point?

Better times.

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By: cjzucker http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-38459 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:31:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-38459 I am the co-founder of Buckyballs and a business partner of Jake’s. You, Felix, are a reporter who lacks an ability to research. So let me try to help you out with your story here:

1. Jake founded and managed a manufacturing startup that went from $0 to $25MM in annual sales in under 3 years.
2. In that three year period, Jake was part of a management team of two, who turned a bunch of magnets into the most popular product in the gift industry (yup, kinda a competitive one too.)
3. The business is very profitable and, yes, Jake could likely fund Flint and Tinder with his earnings. Knowing Jake though, he’s smart enough to use tools like Kickstarter for proof of concept and marketing.

So, if your broader point isn’t about Bronstein, but about Kickstarter, you chose the wrong poster child. Alternatively, if anyone is interested in making a broad point about poor reporting, you’re a perfect start.

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By: ccubed2 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/04/26/kickstarter-of-the-day-flint-and-tinder-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-38440 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:05:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=13521#comment-38440 I guess people can decide the risk and amount they are willing to place on each project, it just feels like a nice collaborative effort and community to me, I really like kickstarter, it’s inspiring seeing what people are up to and working on. I understand what your saying though and enjoyed this discussion.

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