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		<title>By: JuliaJones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-39017</link>
		<dc:creator>JuliaJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 09:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trend was on its boom in 1996, but then it decreases. The basic reason could be that people believe on equity investment. They just use to float stocks in the market to get some funds. http;//investmentfinancialmanagement.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trend was on its boom in 1996, but then it decreases. The basic reason could be that people believe on equity investment. They just use to float stocks in the market to get some funds. http;//investmentfinancialmanagement.blo gspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Former_employee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38934</link>
		<dc:creator>Former_employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 04:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP Morgan was given a free hand on Bears deal by the federal government when the financial crisis started. When I was in an employee of Investment bank of JP Morgan, they were doing midnight changes of numbers during the crisis years of 2007-2009. JP Morgan got a $35 billion check from federal government to play their books. They call in the middle of the night when I was told to change the numbers in the trading database directly to cook the books. Since  then  I am sure they are continuing to cheat the financial world as usual on a daily basis. Finally a day dawned on them to eat their own medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP Morgan was given a free hand on Bears deal by the federal government when the financial crisis started. When I was in an employee of Investment bank of JP Morgan, they were doing midnight changes of numbers during the crisis years of 2007-2009. JP Morgan got a $35 billion check from federal government to play their books. They call in the middle of the night when I was told to change the numbers in the trading database directly to cook the books. Since  then  I am sure they are continuing to cheat the financial world as usual on a daily basis. Finally a day dawned on them to eat their own medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38926</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a great article. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all out. Loved it!</description>
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		<title>By: Bryko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38925</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a great article. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all out. Loved it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a great article. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all out. Loved it!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkJro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38842</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkJro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 04:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that VC returns have sucked in the last decade but their theory on the &quot;n&quot; curve is flat out wrong. The reason for the n curve is because most of the funds were 1999-2000 vintage funds .... go look at what the NASDAQ did after 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that VC returns have sucked in the last decade but their theory on the &#8220;n&#8221; curve is flat out wrong. The reason for the n curve is because most of the funds were 1999-2000 vintage funds &#8230;. go look at what the NASDAQ did after 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: fredwilson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38799</link>
		<dc:creator>fredwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 09:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Kauffman report is excellent but it doesn&#039;t tell us anything we didn&#039;t already know. the VC asset class is not a good fit for institutional investors who want to put $10s of millions to work in each and every fund. if the institutions left the business, the best VCs would be raising $200mm fund and the worst would be raising $20mm funds. we&#039;d be back to the way the business looked when I got into it in the mid 80s. 

the one quibble i have with Kauffman&#039;s suggestions is the focus on terms. while they are a problem, they aren&#039;t the core problem. good managers earn their fees. the problem is that there aren&#039;t many good managers in the VC business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Kauffman report is excellent but it doesn&#8217;t tell us anything we didn&#8217;t already know. the VC asset class is not a good fit for institutional investors who want to put $10s of millions to work in each and every fund. if the institutions left the business, the best VCs would be raising $200mm fund and the worst would be raising $20mm funds. we&#8217;d be back to the way the business looked when I got into it in the mid 80s. </p>
<p>the one quibble i have with Kauffman&#8217;s suggestions is the focus on terms. while they are a problem, they aren&#8217;t the core problem. good managers earn their fees. the problem is that there aren&#8217;t many good managers in the VC business.</p>
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		<title>By: MattDil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38796</link>
		<dc:creator>MattDil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 01:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant.  Wondering if anyone has seen a similar analysis for PE funds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant.  Wondering if anyone has seen a similar analysis for PE funds?</p>
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		<title>By: JudeHammerle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38784</link>
		<dc:creator>JudeHammerle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 20:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem here is that the established rules of marketing don&#039;t really work--particularly for small companies... When VCs apply these rules to companies they fund, the companies fail, and these failures are what constrain returns for institutional investors. –Jude Hammerle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem here is that the established rules of marketing don&#8217;t really work&#8211;particularly for small companies&#8230; When VCs apply these rules to companies they fund, the companies fail, and these failures are what constrain returns for institutional investors. –Jude Hammerle</p>
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		<title>By: BrPH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38769</link>
		<dc:creator>BrPH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting, but extremely superficial paper. I have both been an entrepreneur going for venture capital and done diligence on 18  potential deals. My view of the VC world is from the trenches where the value gets created. 

In general, no group compares for arrogant, self-assured, willful ignorance like the decision makers in Venture Capital. Focus on numbers, inattention to detail, lack of interest and understanding of what is really being invested in is the rule, not the exception. The &#039;bright young men&#039; are mostly not very damn bright. They are manipulative, slick and (as the report alludes to) understanding of cronyism&#039;s road to their own paydays. 

The VC industry operates as a lemming horde. The algorithm is that if something is successful or looks good (i.e. a &#039;sector&#039; gets identified) that everybody and their rabbit will invest in it. This guarantees poor returns for venture capital as a whole.  It makes no sense to back 12 different companies in an area where at most 2 or 3 can survive, to say nothing of prosper. Large institutional investors can and do screw themselves this way when the left hand doesn&#039;t know or care what the right hand is doing. 

And yet - the big returns are generally made in places that aren&#039;t identified. Something new or that is done differently. Apple and Microsoft did that. Every VC gives lip service to finding the next one. But in my experience, not a one, ever, has been willing to consider investing outside the well-trampled mudpits in which their cronies stumble around. 

From what I&#039;ve seen, the difference between how venture capital is allocated and a blind baboon playing whack-a-mole is this. In the case of venture capital, if the blind baboon hits a mole (and kills it) then all the other blind baboons come running to whack at the same hole, hitting each other, the winning baboon, breaking their mallets and turning the freshly killed mole into a thin stain spread wetly on the ground. 

There is not a lack of viable business ideas. Not at all. But there is a lack of ability to recognize such, or to even give a damn - really - if the idea is good. Sorry - but that&#039;s the report from the trenches back to the dim bulb half-wits upstairs. 

What I got out of reading this report was clarification of the social algorithm of the problem in venture capital. It&#039;s cronyism, a de facto cabal that seeks to rip off the top-teir firms. Pretty simple to see why it works that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting, but extremely superficial paper. I have both been an entrepreneur going for venture capital and done diligence on 18  potential deals. My view of the VC world is from the trenches where the value gets created. </p>
<p>In general, no group compares for arrogant, self-assured, willful ignorance like the decision makers in Venture Capital. Focus on numbers, inattention to detail, lack of interest and understanding of what is really being invested in is the rule, not the exception. The &#8216;bright young men&#8217; are mostly not very damn bright. They are manipulative, slick and (as the report alludes to) understanding of cronyism&#8217;s road to their own paydays. </p>
<p>The VC industry operates as a lemming horde. The algorithm is that if something is successful or looks good (i.e. a &#8216;sector&#8217; gets identified) that everybody and their rabbit will invest in it. This guarantees poor returns for venture capital as a whole.  It makes no sense to back 12 different companies in an area where at most 2 or 3 can survive, to say nothing of prosper. Large institutional investors can and do screw themselves this way when the left hand doesn&#8217;t know or care what the right hand is doing. </p>
<p>And yet &#8211; the big returns are generally made in places that aren&#8217;t identified. Something new or that is done differently. Apple and Microsoft did that. Every VC gives lip service to finding the next one. But in my experience, not a one, ever, has been willing to consider investing outside the well-trampled mudpits in which their cronies stumble around. </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen, the difference between how venture capital is allocated and a blind baboon playing whack-a-mole is this. In the case of venture capital, if the blind baboon hits a mole (and kills it) then all the other blind baboons come running to whack at the same hole, hitting each other, the winning baboon, breaking their mallets and turning the freshly killed mole into a thin stain spread wetly on the ground. </p>
<p>There is not a lack of viable business ideas. Not at all. But there is a lack of ability to recognize such, or to even give a damn &#8211; really &#8211; if the idea is good. Sorry &#8211; but that&#8217;s the report from the trenches back to the dim bulb half-wits upstairs. </p>
<p>What I got out of reading this report was clarification of the social algorithm of the problem in venture capital. It&#8217;s cronyism, a de facto cabal that seeks to rip off the top-teir firms. Pretty simple to see why it works that way.</p>
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		<title>By: TobyONottoby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38768</link>
		<dc:creator>TobyONottoby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You may rely on it.&quot;

&quot;At the sound of the tone, insert one 2-euro coin, tuck your head between your knees, and kiss your Hayek goodbye.&quot;

&quot;Witch!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You may rely on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;At the sound of the tone, insert one 2-euro coin, tuck your head between your knees, and kiss your Hayek goodbye.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Witch!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: weiwentg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38764</link>
		<dc:creator>weiwentg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another observation: there are a very small number of high fliers in this game, and they really, really outperformed the rest. I suspect that this level of dispersion isn&#039;t present in equity mutual funds.

I also suspect that people tend to anchor on the eye-popping returns, and convince themselves that they can select the funds that&#039;ll outperform. Kaufmann is showing that that&#039;s not really feasible at this point in the VC asset class. I know that some folks think they can pick good active mutual funds, and I know that Felix doesn&#039;t think that&#039;s possible; I disagree with him here in some respects, but this paper really shows that investors really have to be aware of how their cognitive limitations limit their capacity to maximize their own returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another observation: there are a very small number of high fliers in this game, and they really, really outperformed the rest. I suspect that this level of dispersion isn&#8217;t present in equity mutual funds.</p>
<p>I also suspect that people tend to anchor on the eye-popping returns, and convince themselves that they can select the funds that&#8217;ll outperform. Kaufmann is showing that that&#8217;s not really feasible at this point in the VC asset class. I know that some folks think they can pick good active mutual funds, and I know that Felix doesn&#8217;t think that&#8217;s possible; I disagree with him here in some respects, but this paper really shows that investors really have to be aware of how their cognitive limitations limit their capacity to maximize their own returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew_Saroff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38759</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew_Saroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TobyONottoby:
Dylan Ratigan used puppets to explain the banksters. (http://40yrs.blogspot.com/2010/04/corollary-to-saroffs-rule.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TobyONottoby:<br />
Dylan Ratigan used puppets to explain the banksters. (<a href='http://40yrs.blogspot.com/2010/04/corollary-to-saroffs-rule.html)'>http://40yrs.blogspot.com/2010/04/corol lary-to-saroffs-rule.html)</a></p>
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		<title>By: TobyONottoby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/07/how-venture-capital-is-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-38757</link>
		<dc:creator>TobyONottoby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 11:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: Matthew_Saroff

Re: How should Saroff’s Rule apply to puppet shows?

Set an example: Seek venture capital to launch a vaguely described start-up whose mission is to be the world leader among companies that mediate all their interactions through robots, automata, puppets, Magic 8-Balls and vintage telephone answering machines from the 1980s.

Instead of brochures, web pages, charts or text in any format, make presentations solely by traveling puppet shows restricted to medieval technologies and standards of hygiene. Puppeteers will operate on the assumption that audiences hold medieval concepts of the world.

Golden Opportunity Potential: Kick off the campaign in Tampa during the upcoming Republican National Convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Matthew_Saroff</p>
<p>Re: How should Saroff’s Rule apply to puppet shows?</p>
<p>Set an example: Seek venture capital to launch a vaguely described start-up whose mission is to be the world leader among companies that mediate all their interactions through robots, automata, puppets, Magic 8-Balls and vintage telephone answering machines from the 1980s.</p>
<p>Instead of brochures, web pages, charts or text in any format, make presentations solely by traveling puppet shows restricted to medieval technologies and standards of hygiene. Puppeteers will operate on the assumption that audiences hold medieval concepts of the world.</p>
<p>Golden Opportunity Potential: Kick off the campaign in Tampa during the upcoming Republican National Convention.</p>
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		<title>By: FifthDecade</title>
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		<dc:creator>FifthDecade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 00:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Success fees encourage higher risks to be taken. VC Funds are already risky, but providing an incentive to make them more so doesn&#039;t make sense to most investors - although the attraction to the managers of the potentially enormous fees is clear to all. 

Suggesting success fees have anything to with the interests of the investors is nonsense - unless there is a similar negative failure fee for underperformance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Success fees encourage higher risks to be taken. VC Funds are already risky, but providing an incentive to make them more so doesn&#8217;t make sense to most investors &#8211; although the attraction to the managers of the potentially enormous fees is clear to all. </p>
<p>Suggesting success fees have anything to with the interests of the investors is nonsense &#8211; unless there is a similar negative failure fee for underperformance.</p>
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		<title>By: datascientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>datascientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 00:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These results are in line with a recent paper by Harris, Jenkinson, and Kaplan, for details see:

   http://www.verisi.com/resources/buyout-vs-venture-capital.htm

Investment Multiple: Outside of a few exceptional *vintage* years in the 1990&#039;s Venture Capital hasn&#039;t produced decent investment multiples

Public Market Equivalent: &quot;Buyouts underperformed the S&amp;P 500 in 6 out of 29 vintage years, while Venture Capital underperformed the S&amp;P 500 in 16 out of 29 vintage years.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These results are in line with a recent paper by Harris, Jenkinson, and Kaplan, for details see:</p>
<p>   <a href='http://www.verisi.com/resources/buyout-vs-venture-capital.htm'>http://www.verisi.com/resources/buyout-v s-venture-capital.htm</a></p>
<p>Investment Multiple: Outside of a few exceptional *vintage* years in the 1990&#8242;s Venture Capital hasn&#8217;t produced decent investment multiples</p>
<p>Public Market Equivalent: &#8220;Buyouts underperformed the S&#038;P 500 in 6 out of 29 vintage years, while Venture Capital underperformed the S&#038;P 500 in 16 out of 29 vintage years.&#8221;</p>
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