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		<title>By: Metsox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39476</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 05:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix - I love your posts but you are completely wrong here. It is illegal to front run your clients in the fashion described here. Whether it happened or not, or whether it should be illegal or not are different questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix &#8211; I love your posts but you are completely wrong here. It is illegal to front run your clients in the fashion described here. Whether it happened or not, or whether it should be illegal or not are different questions.</p>
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		<title>By: niveditas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39362</link>
		<dc:creator>niveditas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 02:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nharish, if you thought it was worth buying only at 34 and not at 36, why did you agree to buy it at 36?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nharish, if you thought it was worth buying only at 34 and not at 36, why did you agree to buy it at 36?</p>
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		<title>By: nharish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39329</link>
		<dc:creator>nharish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been interested in understanding this. So I believe the point here is not about Insider trading, but rather unethical practices that fundamentally provide a certain advantage to the firm (even a few minutes is sufficient because they have direct access to a block of stocks and based on volumes even a few cents might be enough to make a profit). 

Now my other question is, how is Salmon Barney&#039;s conduct appropriate here. They made a concerted effort to sustain the price at 38. Failing that, the stock would have fallen to 34 on Friday. I would have bought the stock at 34 instead of the 36 I ended up paying at Market-open. Isn&#039;t that inappropriate as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been interested in understanding this. So I believe the point here is not about Insider trading, but rather unethical practices that fundamentally provide a certain advantage to the firm (even a few minutes is sufficient because they have direct access to a block of stocks and based on volumes even a few cents might be enough to make a profit). </p>
<p>Now my other question is, how is Salmon Barney&#8217;s conduct appropriate here. They made a concerted effort to sustain the price at 38. Failing that, the stock would have fallen to 34 on Friday. I would have bought the stock at 34 instead of the 36 I ended up paying at Market-open. Isn&#8217;t that inappropriate as well?</p>
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		<title>By: JJStokes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39291</link>
		<dc:creator>JJStokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Salmon contends that, in the case of legitimate, independent research, “once that analysis has been done, the analyst can do what she likes with her analysis. She can trade the stock, she can write it up, she can talk to hedge funds about what she thinks, she can sell it to clients, she can make it public. Or, she can do all of the above, in any order she likes.” Not exactly, at least not if you are a CFA Charterholder abiding by the  principles of the CFA Institute Code of Ethics and Standards of Ethical Conduct. You can’t front-run your clients and you can’t selectively disclose recommendations. Clients must be treated fairly, meaning that investment recommendations are disseminated in such a manner that all clients have a fair opportunity to act on every recommendation. So while insider trading is the wrong label, when it comes to following self-serving, profit-seeking motives over duty to clients, the conduct is just as egregious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Salmon contends that, in the case of legitimate, independent research, “once that analysis has been done, the analyst can do what she likes with her analysis. She can trade the stock, she can write it up, she can talk to hedge funds about what she thinks, she can sell it to clients, she can make it public. Or, she can do all of the above, in any order she likes.” Not exactly, at least not if you are a CFA Charterholder abiding by the  principles of the CFA Institute Code of Ethics and Standards of Ethical Conduct. You can’t front-run your clients and you can’t selectively disclose recommendations. Clients must be treated fairly, meaning that investment recommendations are disseminated in such a manner that all clients have a fair opportunity to act on every recommendation. So while insider trading is the wrong label, when it comes to following self-serving, profit-seeking motives over duty to clients, the conduct is just as egregious.</p>
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		<title>By: MrRFox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39275</link>
		<dc:creator>MrRFox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can legal or illegal - whatever we as a society want it to be. This not a Constitutional issue. The past cases make it clear that there&#039;s something that feels wrong about this, and it&#039;s punished if there a legal peg to hang it on in a particular case - but it doesn&#039;t fit any explicit definition of an ethical violation in every case.

What is wrong in every case though, IMO - to release such reports and not disclose that the publisher and/or certain others may hold positions in the subject issues, and not disclose that the contents of the report have been made known to others ahead of general release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can legal or illegal &#8211; whatever we as a society want it to be. This not a Constitutional issue. The past cases make it clear that there&#8217;s something that feels wrong about this, and it&#8217;s punished if there a legal peg to hang it on in a particular case &#8211; but it doesn&#8217;t fit any explicit definition of an ethical violation in every case.</p>
<p>What is wrong in every case though, IMO &#8211; to release such reports and not disclose that the publisher and/or certain others may hold positions in the subject issues, and not disclose that the contents of the report have been made known to others ahead of general release.</p>
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		<title>By: TinyTim1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39274</link>
		<dc:creator>TinyTim1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 15:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marko, from Felix above:
&quot;The SEC does consider the news that an investment bank is going to change its rating on a stock to be material nonpublic information.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marko, from Felix above:<br />
&#8220;The SEC does consider the news that an investment bank is going to change its rating on a stock to be material nonpublic information.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: marko12345</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39268</link>
		<dc:creator>marko12345</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 13:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not illegal what they were doing. An analysis is not material nonpublic information. However not distributing that research action evenly and at the same time to clients is highly unethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not illegal what they were doing. An analysis is not material nonpublic information. However not distributing that research action evenly and at the same time to clients is highly unethical.</p>
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		<title>By: TinyTim1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39263</link>
		<dc:creator>TinyTim1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 10:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it clear market manipulation?
The upgrade event is material and its timing non-public.

Whale-like clients receiving that info ahead of time, means non only are non-Goldman clients at a disadvantage but even Goldman clients are at a disadvantage (presumably the &quot;muppets&quot;).

A great way to maximise your commissions would be to let clients know there was a VIP club getting upgrade info early.

Or just front run it through the prop desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it clear market manipulation?<br />
The upgrade event is material and its timing non-public.</p>
<p>Whale-like clients receiving that info ahead of time, means non only are non-Goldman clients at a disadvantage but even Goldman clients are at a disadvantage (presumably the &#8220;muppets&#8221;).</p>
<p>A great way to maximise your commissions would be to let clients know there was a VIP club getting upgrade info early.</p>
<p>Or just front run it through the prop desk.</p>
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		<title>By: JimNavadomskis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39261</link>
		<dc:creator>JimNavadomskis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 05:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops hit submit too soon - Clearly there were at least &quot;individuals&quot; at Lehman that could have been prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops hit submit too soon &#8211; Clearly there were at least &#8220;individuals&#8221; at Lehman that could have been prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: JimNavadomskis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39260</link>
		<dc:creator>JimNavadomskis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 05:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From your article:
In other words, as far as I can tell, no one has ever been successfully prosecuted for the crime that Morgenson and Parmigiani are so upset about here — the crime of giving information about ratings actions to some clients before other clients

From the Times&#039; article:
But while insider trading commonly involves nonpublic corporate information, advance warning on research changes can also yield quick, illicit gains. The S.E.C. said as much in a rare research case it filed in 2007 involving an executive at the Swiss banking giant UBS. In that case, eight individuals and three hedge funds were charged with profiting on tips about coming analyst ratings changes — “valuable and material, nonpublic information,” the S.E.C. said. One executive went to jail, and others settled with the S.E.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your article:<br />
In other words, as far as I can tell, no one has ever been successfully prosecuted for the crime that Morgenson and Parmigiani are so upset about here — the crime of giving information about ratings actions to some clients before other clients</p>
<p>From the Times&#8217; article:<br />
But while insider trading commonly involves nonpublic corporate information, advance warning on research changes can also yield quick, illicit gains. The S.E.C. said as much in a rare research case it filed in 2007 involving an executive at the Swiss banking giant UBS. In that case, eight individuals and three hedge funds were charged with profiting on tips about coming analyst ratings changes — “valuable and material, nonpublic information,” the S.E.C. said. One executive went to jail, and others settled with the S.E.C.</p>
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		<title>By: niveditas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39258</link>
		<dc:creator>niveditas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix, maybe you think there aren&#039;t and can&#039;t be any rules about research reports, there in fact are such rules, imposed by the FINRA. There are restrictions on what research analysts can say to non-research people at the bank, and there are restrictions on trading by research analysts. I don&#039;t think this counts as insider trading per se, but it is very wrong to think there are no rules about this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix, maybe you think there aren&#8217;t and can&#8217;t be any rules about research reports, there in fact are such rules, imposed by the FINRA. There are restrictions on what research analysts can say to non-research people at the bank, and there are restrictions on trading by research analysts. I don&#8217;t think this counts as insider trading per se, but it is very wrong to think there are no rules about this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: randomrant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/20/sell-side-research-isnt-inside-information/comment-page-1/#comment-39253</link>
		<dc:creator>randomrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you think that advance knowledge of an opinion change from &quot;sell&quot; to &quot;neutral&quot; by a little-known analyst on a stock like AMKOR is an opportunity for big profit you&#039;re naive.  

Parmigiani took his info to the SEC, and to Sen. Grassley.  He had no luck. So he went to Gret, who specializes in stories critical of Wall Street.  She wrote an article about it-- IN 2009!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/business/23hedge.html

There&#039;s nothing new in today&#039;s article (other than a few updated references to bad banks).  Why are we reading about this again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you think that advance knowledge of an opinion change from &#8220;sell&#8221; to &#8220;neutral&#8221; by a little-known analyst on a stock like AMKOR is an opportunity for big profit you&#8217;re naive.  </p>
<p>Parmigiani took his info to the SEC, and to Sen. Grassley.  He had no luck. So he went to Gret, who specializes in stories critical of Wall Street.  She wrote an article about it&#8211; IN 2009!<br />
<a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/business/23hedge.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/busine ss/23hedge.html</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing new in today&#8217;s article (other than a few updated references to bad banks).  Why are we reading about this again?</p>
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		<title>By: Fursty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fursty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a strange post from a blogger I much respect.  

I think the point of Morgenson&#039;s article was that to show yet another way in which the market is rigged in favor of insiders at the expense of the average investor.  The behavior that you highlight may or may not have been illegal. But please note this was not all that Morgenson wrote about: she also presented evidence of pressure being brought to bear on the analyst to change his assessment in clear violation of the Spitzer settlement.  

These banks are so clearly enmeshed in a variety of conflicts of interest. They have shown time and again that they cannot be trusted. 

Little by little, regular investors are being driven from the market as it becomes, more and more, a casino rigged on behalf of insiders.  This should be a cause of great concern to the very people who most benefit from the financial system: bankers, for instance.  And regulators.  And bloggers. 

But right now it appears only to be of concern only to a few intrepid reporters like Morgenson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a strange post from a blogger I much respect.  </p>
<p>I think the point of Morgenson&#8217;s article was that to show yet another way in which the market is rigged in favor of insiders at the expense of the average investor.  The behavior that you highlight may or may not have been illegal. But please note this was not all that Morgenson wrote about: she also presented evidence of pressure being brought to bear on the analyst to change his assessment in clear violation of the Spitzer settlement.  </p>
<p>These banks are so clearly enmeshed in a variety of conflicts of interest. They have shown time and again that they cannot be trusted. </p>
<p>Little by little, regular investors are being driven from the market as it becomes, more and more, a casino rigged on behalf of insiders.  This should be a cause of great concern to the very people who most benefit from the financial system: bankers, for instance.  And regulators.  And bloggers. </p>
<p>But right now it appears only to be of concern only to a few intrepid reporters like Morgenson.</p>
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		<title>By: greedometer</title>
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		<dc:creator>greedometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of very good points. Keep it coming. A third of my new book is devoted to a discussion regarding several conflicts of interest in the investment industry.  Look for the book in June :    Greedometer. Dow 5000. Why nobody sees it coming.   regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of very good points. Keep it coming. A third of my new book is devoted to a discussion regarding several conflicts of interest in the investment industry.  Look for the book in June :    Greedometer. Dow 5000. Why nobody sees it coming.   regards</p>
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		<title>By: SiBar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiBar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 09:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue is not about insider dealing only. Front running your own research is as much a form of market manipulation as insider dealing. No matter how you squeeze it into the language of the regulation any regulator has to block it happening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue is not about insider dealing only. Front running your own research is as much a form of market manipulation as insider dealing. No matter how you squeeze it into the language of the regulation any regulator has to block it happening</p>
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