Comments on: European dysfunction chart of the day, Greece vs Germany edition http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: DeanPlassaras http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39813 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:24:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39813 LOL! German propaganda of extreme nonsense.

Dean Plassaras

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By: scythe http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39767 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:04:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39767 completely agree with “Vote for the Grexit” – this needs to happen

(quote) “Before things get much worse, it would surely be better if Greece decided to go its own way.
It makes sense for the EU to allow Greece to leave the euro…
Greece really is a special case.
And the other 14 members of the euro, if they join together, still have the ability to remain together.”

Someone in Greece voted for the neo-nazis – deep down it seems some Greeks secretly admire fascists in power wearing either a red or black t-shirt

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By: alt.evan2 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39764 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:07:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39764 The actual numbers

http://www.europi.gr/circulation/panella dika/weekly/magazines/PWM_201220.htm

It is the last one on the list

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By: alt.evan2 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39762 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:59:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39762 This is very poor journalism(much to my surpise).

This newspaper is an extreme right paper that few people even know it. Actually it was the newspaper that made headlines with Merkel photoshoped as Hitler

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By: CassiusKing http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39751 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:02:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39751 I’m sure it’s just a typo, but: “the other 14 members of the euro”? 14? Did I miss some Xexits (Gexit, Spexit, Itexit…)?! ;)

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By: FifthDecade http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39713 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:06:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39713 I forgot the China effect. A largescale transfer of manufacturing from the West to the East during a process of financial warfare to regain China’s hegemony over the rest of the World should not be ignored. The smaller, weaker economies will naturally be the first to go… If in doubt, read Sun Tsu’s “The Art of War” or Machiavelli’s “The Prince” or even some Confucius. They all point to the best General being able to humble his opposition without needing to go into battle.

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By: FifthDecade http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39712 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:01:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39712 First of all, wait for the results of the new elections. I’m pretty sure the last vote will have allowed a lot of Greeks to vent and show their feelings, yet now the reality of their choice hits home they will vote for more reasonably sensible viewpoints next time around.

As for the poll, well, we all know the Greeks like to exaggerate official statistics. That’s how they got into the Euro in the first place, by lying. So I don’t really think it shows the views of the Greek people. It’s probably been invented.

As for the US being more cohesive because it works together, doesn’t that ignore the fact that most voters vote for the politician who says he’s going to change Washington? Most of them hate anything that goes to or comes from That Place because they simply don’t trust them to look after anything other than their own interests. And let’s not talk about how the US lost its AAA credit rating after the Republicans played politics with the nation’s economy.

In Spain, a lot of the bubble came from Russian property developers and corruption at a local level. The blocks of now empty and unfinished flats were not all holiday homes.

As for choices, it isn’t a simple “austerity or leave the Euro” argument; they could also reform their economy at a structural level. There is a huge amount of bureaucracy, needless over-manning, and far too much public ownership of business sectors that would be far more competitive if they were privatised.

If Greece does leave the Euro, the ensuing chaos that followed would serve very well to keep Spain and Italy toeing the line and thereby avoid further crisis.

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By: Doly http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39711 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:35:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39711 On the question of whether Spanish people have bad feelings towards Germany: not really from a historical perspective, but some from much more recent times. Everybody in Spain know that what’s dragging everything down is the housing bubble, I think the biggest in Europe. And what was driving the prices? Well, partly that the Germans were buying all those holiday homes with lots of German euros, at prices that the locals couldn’t possibly afford. Spanish people jokingly talked about a German invasion, but the jokes may get darker if Germany gets as nasty with Spain as they did with Greece. From a Spanish point of view, it could look like the Germans first destroyed the economy, then refused to help and instead blame the people they were screwing.

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By: marcelproust http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39700 Thu, 31 May 2012 20:08:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39700 This is not, in any real sense, a European Union: if two people with these feelings for each other were married, everybody would agree that they should get divorced.

I don’t know. Don’t you think it might depend on the quality of things like the makeup sex?

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By: fs8788 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/31/european-dysfunction-chart-of-the-day-greece-vs-germany-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-39699 Thu, 31 May 2012 20:04:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=14526#comment-39699 ipodamos – I wasn’t talking about myself. I’m neither German nor Greek. Just a reflection from many happy holidays spent in Greece.

Anyway – why is it always the borrower’s fault, never the lender’s? Germany (like China, Sweden, Netherlands and as teh US between the wars – either has to accept to import more than it exports (otherwise its borrowers can’t pay back) or accept never being paid back. There is not third alternative.

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