Comments on: Giving up control of education http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: the3rdeye http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41176 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:20:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41176 The problem with education.
I was considered to be eliterate in school,i was passed over and let fall behind. First mistake. Everyone has a gift to offer the world. I have fought with teachers having to advicat for 3 learning disabled childern with the Sped Director telling me I know what I am supose to do, You try to make me do it. Second mistake, alll we have to do is look at Henery Ford, Thomas Edason and Albert Einstein, men rejected by formal edcuators. Men who beleaved in them selves that changed the world we live in. I have a friend that graduated 1st in class at Smith collsge, and tough english lit. in Pittsfield MA. Her class if middle school students was fully engadged reading the clasics. The principle showed up and informed the teacher she had to teach the coriculam. Third mistake. The teacher started a sucessful clothing business and never returned to education, what a wast of tallent. My personal story speaks to the failure of the systum. I couldent read, do math or write until about 10 or 11 years old. It tool me a long time to grasp the concept. In time I concured all of this and more. Theoligy, anthropoligy,the arts and social sicences. Life was my teacher. Not everyone matures at the same pace in this life I have changed oan artform, invented tools and have contrubited to the world if language, all because I knew I was OK. We discourage raw tallent by ignoring the human potential. Continualy telling a child they are a failure only contrubits to our own social wowes and fills prisons, not collages. We have the responsibility to teach childern how to discover the world, they will find ther own direction through there querosity. Cramming usless information into a child has a negitave reaction.We have to guid, not steer. George Yonnone

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By: the3rdeye http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41177 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:20:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41177 The problem with education.
I was considered to be eliterate in school,i was passed over and let fall behind. First mistake. Everyone has a gift to offer the world. I have fought with teachers having to advicat for 3 learning disabled childern with the Sped Director telling me I know what I am supose to do, You try to make me do it. Second mistake, alll we have to do is look at Henery Ford, Thomas Edason and Albert Einstein, men rejected by formal edcuators. Men who beleaved in them selves that changed the world we live in. I have a friend that graduated 1st in class at Smith collsge, and tough english lit. in Pittsfield MA. Her class if middle school students was fully engadged reading the clasics. The principle showed up and informed the teacher she had to teach the coriculam. Third mistake. The teacher started a sucessful clothing business and never returned to education, what a wast of tallent. My personal story speaks to the failure of the systum. I couldent read, do math or write until about 10 or 11 years old. It tool me a long time to grasp the concept. In time I concured all of this and more. Theoligy, anthropoligy,the arts and social sicences. Life was my teacher. Not everyone matures at the same pace in this life I have changed oan artform, invented tools and have contrubited to the world if language, all because I knew I was OK. We discourage raw tallent by ignoring the human potential. Continualy telling a child they are a failure only contrubits to our own social wowes and fills prisons, not collages. We have the responsibility to teach childern how to discover the world, they will find ther own direction through there querosity. Cramming usless information into a child has a negitave reaction.We have to guid, not steer. George Yonnone

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By: the3rdeye http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41174 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:20:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41174 The problem with education.
I was considered to be eliterate in school,i was passed over and let fall behind. First mistake. Everyone has a gift to offer the world. I have fought with teachers having to advicat for 3 learning disabled childern with the Sped Director telling me I know what I am supose to do, You try to make me do it. Second mistake, alll we have to do is look at Henery Ford, Thomas Edason and Albert Einstein, men rejected by formal edcuators. Men who beleaved in them selves that changed the world we live in. I have a friend that graduated 1st in class at Smith collsge, and tough english lit. in Pittsfield MA. Her class if middle school students was fully engadged reading the clasics. The principle showed up and informed the teacher she had to teach the coriculam. Third mistake. The teacher started a sucessful clothing business and never returned to education, what a wast of tallent. My personal story speaks to the failure of the systum. I couldent read, do math or write until about 10 or 11 years old. It tool me a long time to grasp the concept. In time I concured all of this and more. Theoligy, anthropoligy,the arts and social sicences. Life was my teacher. Not everyone matures at the same pace in this life I have changed oan artform, invented tools and have contrubited to the world if language, all because I knew I was OK. We discourage raw tallent by ignoring the human potential. Continualy telling a child they are a failure only contrubits to our own social wowes and fills prisons, not collages. We have the responsibility to teach childern how to discover the world, they will find ther own direction through there querosity. Cramming usless information into a child has a negitave reaction.We have to guid, not steer. George Yonnone

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By: the3rdeye http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41175 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:20:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41175 The problem with education.
I was considered to be eliterate in school,i was passed over and let fall behind. First mistake. Everyone has a gift to offer the world. I have fought with teachers having to advicat for 3 learning disabled childern with the Sped Director telling me I know what I am supose to do, You try to make me do it. Second mistake, alll we have to do is look at Henery Ford, Thomas Edason and Albert Einstein, men rejected by formal edcuators. Men who beleaved in them selves that changed the world we live in. I have a friend that graduated 1st in class at Smith collsge, and tough english lit. in Pittsfield MA. Her class if middle school students was fully engadged reading the clasics. The principle showed up and informed the teacher she had to teach the coriculam. Third mistake. The teacher started a sucessful clothing business and never returned to education, what a wast of tallent. My personal story speaks to the failure of the systum. I couldent read, do math or write until about 10 or 11 years old. It tool me a long time to grasp the concept. In time I concured all of this and more. Theoligy, anthropoligy,the arts and social sicences. Life was my teacher. Not everyone matures at the same pace in this life I have changed oan artform, invented tools and have contrubited to the world if language, all because I knew I was OK. We discourage raw tallent by ignoring the human potential. Continualy telling a child they are a failure only contrubits to our own social wowes and fills prisons, not collages. We have the responsibility to teach childern how to discover the world, they will find ther own direction through there querosity. Cramming usless information into a child has a negitave reaction.We have to guid, not steer. George Yonnone

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By: the3rdeye http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41173 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:20:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41173 The problem with education.
I was considered to be eliterate in school,i was passed over and let fall behind. First mistake. Everyone has a gift to offer the world. I have fought with teachers having to advicat for 3 learning disabled childern with the Sped Director telling me I know what I am supose to do, You try to make me do it. Second mistake, alll we have to do is look at Henery Ford, Thomas Edason and Albert Einstein, men rejected by formal edcuators. Men who beleaved in them selves that changed the world we live in. I have a friend that graduated 1st in class at Smith collsge, and tough english lit. in Pittsfield MA. Her class if middle school students was fully engadged reading the clasics. The principle showed up and informed the teacher she had to teach the coriculam. Third mistake. The teacher started a sucessful clothing business and never returned to education, what a wast of tallent. My personal story speaks to the failure of the systum. I couldent read, do math or write until about 10 or 11 years old. It tool me a long time to grasp the concept. In time I concured all of this and more. Theoligy, anthropoligy,the arts and social sicences. Life was my teacher. Not everyone matures at the same pace in this life I have changed oan artform, invented tools and have contrubited to the world if language, all because I knew I was OK. We discourage raw tallent by ignoring the human potential. Continualy telling a child they are a failure only contrubits to our own social wowes and fills prisons, not collages. We have the responsibility to teach childern how to discover the world, they will find ther own direction through there querosity. Cramming usless information into a child has a negitave reaction.We have to guid, not steer. George Yonnone

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41148 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 02:08:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41148 @stevedebi, several people in this thread have mentioned the importance of “culture change”. And truly, that is at the root.

My school takes on that challenge. We daily emphasize the importance of personal responsibility, social responsibility, and hard work. When we recognize a “C” student as the “student of the month” for her efforts (and progress), we are speaking to our values. When I lecture them on the need to “respect yourselves, respect your ability, respect your peers”, I’m not directly teaching them science — but I’m teaching them the mindset they need to be successful in school and beyond.

That is why it works. Schools *can* teach culture. They *can* teach responsibility, ethics, and hard work. And they *need* to teach these values to achieve real culture change.

We can do it because we are a Catholic school (independent of the Diocese, but nonetheless with a religious charter). Public schools balk at teaching morality because they don’t feel it is part of their mandate. And if they tried, parents would scream.

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By: stevedebi http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41146 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:42:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41146 I find these sort of articles and discussions interesting because they keep proposing solutions, and discussing options, that will not change anything. The real problem with education today is not the schools, teachers, parents, or students. Other countries are better at educating kids because their cultures more based in reality than ours; we Americans have been separating ourselves from the real world more and more (accelerating in the past 20 years), and this is reflected in education (and a lot of other areas of our society).

The problem is a general malaise that has overtaken society since the 1960’s. It is difficult to quantify, but it involves things like attempts to change society from a system of ensuring equal opportunity to ensuring equal outcomes, and other social nonsense based on feelings instead of facts. Our society (in the US) is no longer propagating the things that brought us to greatness: hard work and individual responsibility. Until the people can see that empty ideas don’t work when they are translated from some vague “it ought to be true” to what is actually true in the real world, the education system has no chance whatsoever – and our children have no chance. The ideas discussed are valuable in and of themselves, but are in fact treating the symptoms of the illness rather than the illness itself. How to reverse such a trend is harder, of course.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41139 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 20:26:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41139 “Truly bad teachers are very rare.”

That’s because in any respectable school district, they DO get fired. It isn’t a simple process, but through a series of performance evaluations, warnings, and action plans, you can resolve any problem within a couple years. Usually the teacher will quit rather than see it through to the end.

For a teacher with less than three years tenure, no process or justification is required. (At least not here.) You simply don’t renew their contract. That happens quite frequently as well.

It isn’t hard getting rid of bad teachers. It *is* hard finding good ones, sometimes.

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By: znmeb http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41136 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:36:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41136 “In theory, teachers should be fine with sharing anonymized data; the only problems arise when that data is used in things like performance reviews.”

First of all, it’s simply not possible to “anonymize” data. Anybody who says they can do so is trying to sell you something you don’t need at a price you can’t afford.

Second, the reason teachers get fired is not because they’re bad. They get fired because there isn’t enough money to pay their salaries, benefits and expenses. Truly bad teachers are very rare.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/06/30/giving-up-control-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-41090 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:27:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=15697#comment-41090 @LadyG, agreed on both counts. There are some excellent innovative schools in the inner cities. The ones I’ve read about, however, are supported by grants and charitable foundations, not the typical public-school tuition. (Mine spends just $10k-$12k per student, roughly half from donations, but if it had to pay public school salaries that figure would double.)

If you really want to make a difference in the life of inner-city kids, you need to be teacher AND mentor AND counselor to them. If the relationship ends with the textbook, you’ll never get them turned around. But that takes time, and can’t be managed with the same staffing levels you see in the suburbs, where you might see one teacher for every 15-20 students.

And yes, some of the wealthier districts get unexceptional results. I’ve never intended to equate money with quality. But only a fool (or an HP CEO) believes that you can build excellence WITHOUT adequate funding.

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