Comments on: Can charitable donations offset despicable behavior? http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: LHTan http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44255 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:33:36 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44255 What a concept – the Sale of Indulgences to save sinners from guilt.

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By: AZreb http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44254 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:36:58 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44254 KInda like the one who steals, lies, commits adultery, etc. and then goes to chruch on Sunday and repents – then goes out on Monday and repeats the same acts – then goes to church on Sunday and – get the picture?

Old cowbo saying “The best sermons are lived – not preached” or proselytized or only on a Sunday.

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By: BSharkey http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44250 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:48:23 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44250 Felix,

Example #1 is Mitt Romney. Apparently it’s OK to put companies, communities and employees through an LBO meat grinder if one tithes to one’s church. And we’re not supposed to take into consideration that such giving is required to receive the social benefits and privileges of membership in the Mormon faith. Or, for that matter, the surprisingly small amount of LDS church income that go to genuine, non-mission (aka marketing) related giving.

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By: realist50 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44244 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:16:23 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44244 I share Felix’s skepticism about how much charity or more general “hey, I’m a good person” defenses should influence sentences. Circumstances surrounding the crime – e.g., degree of premeditation and knowledge of the extent of harm being caused – clearly should influence a sentence, as should factors indicating a risk of recidivism, such as a history of law-breaking. My underlying problem, however, is that granting shorter sentences for just being a sort of generally nice person necessarily implies that someone gets a longer sentence if the judge thinks they’re a mean person, even if those other actions are legal. Doesn’t seem quite right to lengthen a prison sentence for actions, or lack thereof, that don’t violate any law.

Also, a factual correction to Frwip’s point about the source of Gupta’s money. Gupta made little, if any, money from providing insider information to Rajaratnam, which was part of Gupta’s (unsuccessful) defense and a peculiarity of the case. It’s in no way accurate to say that Gupta’s charitable donations were paid for with stolen money in the first place.

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By: Eericsonjr http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44243 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:26:33 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44243 Judges have charities too. And trusts. Because they are all, at heart, good men. Capisci?

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By: dWj http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44242 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:38:44 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44242 Charity is always a consumption expense, but I think I get what you’re trying to say.

I think most people who buy into this reasoning would not accept it if it appeared that the philanthropy was deliberately intended to buy leniency for later crimes; if someone says, “hey, I’ve raised a lot of money for charities, that’s enough to morally counterbalance a rape or two,” I don’t think anyone would buy that, in a way they might be inclined toward leniency on philanthropic grounds if it didn’t seem to be directly transactional in the same way. Partly the issue might be whether we’re punishing the person or the crime; someone who engages in philanthropy and then kills someone in a bar fight maybe is a good person who screwed up, unless he shouts “I paid for that children’s hospital over there” while plunging in the knife, in which case he’s just that much more conniving and evil. There might be good utilitarian reasons for what I’ve labeled “punishing the person” — the first stories that come to mind involve imperfect monitoring and the idea that anyone can make a few mistakes.

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By: AlexR http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44237 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:27:10 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44237 In Slate (I know….) criminal defense attorney (I know, I know…) Harlan Protass argues that relative to their respective roles in the crime, for Gupta to receive anywhere near as long a sentence as Rajaratnam would be absurd.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p olitics/jurisprudence/2012/10/sentencing _rajat_gupta_for_insider_trading.html

Rajaratnam got 11 years, so 2 years sounds relatively reasonable from the facts, even completely ignoring any previous acts of charity.

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By: Frwip http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44235 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:41:40 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44235 That decision is a travesty. I nearly puked in my mouth when I heard it.

Didn’t it occur to Rakoff that those charity donations were paid with stolen money in the first place?

It makes me think of those drug lords in Mexico donating boatloads of money to the Catholic Church.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/world/ americas/07church.html?pagewanted=all

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By: FifthDecade http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44234 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:21:04 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44234 So it has always been; back in medieval times robber Barons and Kings were persuaded to offset their misdeeds with large donations to projects for the Church, which as a consequence has many hundreds of beautiful monuments decorated in the most lavish of styles across Europe.

The high proportion of such Churches in Italy is not an indicator for how that country is in the mess it is in today of course, but wherever there is an overly ornate and rather big Church, usually someone somewhere has been on the fiddle. Historically speaking, of course.

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By: MrRFox http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/26/can-charitable-donations-offset-despicable-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-44233 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:08:28 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19229#comment-44233 That’s ‘Judge Rakoff’ to you – boy.

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