Comments on: Why the US didn’t prosecute HSBC http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Diogenes9966 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-46137 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:45:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-46137 At Felix the author. Just how STUPID do you think people really are?

This news article is PURE PROPAGANDA assisting in covering up and shilling for CRIMINALS.

Prosecute the BANKERS within the corporation committing felonies AND THE JOURNALISTS assisting in covering up and shilling for their crimes.

You prosecute and jail the PEOPLE in the industry responsible.

There will come a day when HONEST people retake the government and make no mistake. There WILL be a reckoning. People responsible for their crimes WILL be prosecuted.

I think we THE PEOPLE should go so far as to, if it can be proven, that if JOURNALISTS such as this you are being PAID by the banks to shill and cover for their crimes, then even JOURNALISTS such as you need to be prosecuted for being ACCESSORIES AFTER THE FACT!

It is time to jail the bankers committing felonies.

It is also time to jail the JOURNALISTS covering up their crimes.

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By: RedXIV http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-46128 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 03:43:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-46128 So how much did HSBC pay you to shill for them, Felix?

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By: ohiohiohio http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45299 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:11:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45299 “I think it’s kind of hard to prosecute individuals for crimes their employer may have committed”

@KenG_CA,

first of all, no, it isn’t. second of all, human beings at the bank decided to break the laws and launder drug cartel money. those human beings should be prosecuted.

further: if your goal is to reduce bad behavior at banks, it stands to reason that this goal will be better achieved by instilling the fear of life-sentences for bank executives rather than the threat of fines against the bank itself—even if those fines included going after the personal holdings of the executives.

if i was a drug cartel, i would tell the executives look, we’ll put millions into a secret account for you so, worst case scenario and the govt seizes all your money, you just move to a non-extradition country and drink mai-tais on the beach for the rest of your life. when deciding whether to commit a crime, if the punishment for getting caught is a tropical vacation, then heck—why NOT do it?

fines, however heavy, are an absurd punishment for people who help enormously wealthy criminal syndicates. the criminals will just build in safety-net bonuses to those people. if fines are an acceptable punishment here, then why not for murder? if the DOJ actually got the head of a drug cartel in custody, and had reams of air-tight evidence that they ordered a bunch of murders, would it be acceptable to limit his punishment to a fine? $100M? $1B? is there any amount of money that we should accept from a murderer as his punishment? i don’t know anyone who would say yes. except, apparently, the US Department of Jusdis™ (short for “just dis once”).

but if the punishment for crooked banking execs is life in a federal prison, then that’s a strong deterrent. that’s what this entire conversation should be about. seeking “justice” against a non-human entity is merely an abstraction, and in this entire discussion, a big DIStraction.

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By: NickShaw http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45223 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:24:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45223 Mr. Salmon, this happens to be one of the most awe inspiring examples of idiocy ever presented to justify any crime, of any size!
It’s attitudes such as this that allowed the banks to run amok and cause the world economic downturn.
What is it that liberals have been saying since events unfolded in 2008? It’s the banksters! They must be made to pay! Slimy capitalists all! They are raping the 99%!!
Well, until liberals get elected anyway. Then they realize walking the walk will hurt their campaign donations. Actually, they knew it all along. They just lie to make us think they are on our side. Until they get elected. And I accuse Repubs of doing the same thing. They just don’t rub our noses in it like Dims do. To Dims it’s an art form!
What, did Jon Corzine join the board of HSBC or something?
And yes, these events are all related. Banks behaving badly and getting away with it because they are just too big to go after. What was it that our illustrious AG said about cowards?
Steal a million with a gun to threaten one person and you go to jail.
Steal a billion with a pen, threatening thousands, and you get a raise. Great stuff to teach our children.
Climate skeptics are accused of being paid off by Big Oil. Who pays you off, Mr. Salmon?

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By: scotta http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45222 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:05:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45222 Felix, you are one of my favorite bloggers, but I think you’ve missed the plot.

Whilst, as sayeth Mr Bumble, the law may be an arse, the law is the law. And, for HSBC, the solution is simple: Don’t set up a bank in the United States where said law exists. HSBC had no problems buying vulture-lender Household International and provided 25% loan-share credit cards to US consumers. And those are legal! But they can’t have it both ways.

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By: MrRFox http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45221 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:41:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45221 @Dilettante – about HSBC surviving a prosecution –

In theory – sure. But no financial institution has ever lived long enough after indictment to actually make it through a jury trial. The indictment itself means certain death. Even an indictment isn’t necessary – just being ‘black-balled’ ala Banco Delta Asia (NKorea’s pal from Macao, remember?) means a quick death.

IMO there is an argument (unconvincing to me, but reasonable none-the-less) for letting the bank survive. There is no argument IMO that plausibly justifies not prosecuting the individuals who ordered the crimes.

OBTW: The top guy at the bank – the CEO – when all the bad deeds went down – he’s still there. He hasn’t lost his job or even been fined or demoted – nothing, except fat bonuses year-after-year. Bob Diamond’s gotta be wondering if he wouldn’t have been smarter to let his traders run coke instead of a Libor fix – he’d maybe still be running Barclays’ if he had. (That guy at HSBC – he’s just gotta ‘have something’ on some very big people to have pulled this off. Anyone who knows that much seems like he knows too much to still be walkin’ around alive. Just sayin’ ….)

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By: nyerreu11 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45215 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:57:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45215 A ridiculous article, unexpected from Mr. Salmon.

We definitely need someone like Eliot Spitzer or Neil Barofsky to actually prosecute & not just seek petty fines.

The US financial system has no public trust now.

The fact that DC & the Hill & White House haven’t figured that out is one of their current problems.

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By: Dilettante http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45214 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:52:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45214 Ouch. A truly painful posting. It raises the question: is there any conduct that would justify criminal prosecution of a bank? HSBC committed a clear violation of well-understood banking laws; all large banks are well aware of US money-laundering restrictions and are required to show extensive efforts to comply with those restrictions. These are not obscure regulations; they are important rules with an obvious moral purpose.

So if this isn’t prosecuted, what on earth would be? Why should bank directors and officers take other laws seriously, if violation this flagrant barely touches them personally? Isn’t this just an argument for letting any bank do pretty much whatever it wants?

(Also, it is by no means clear that criminal prosecution has to mean destruction of the bank, Arthur Anderson style. That has very rarely been the effect. And the gov could easily calibrate its prosecution: either pick only a few individuals, or hit the bank as a whole, but with lesser charges. So the outcome of “innocent bank teller loses job” is not required in any case.)

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By: spectre855 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45205 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:34:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45205 “The question here is: do you destroy a bank as collateral damage in that war?”

Wow, I really just hope you’re wording things poorly or something here. I can’t imagine this actually being any kind of a dilemma. I’m sick of the notion that banks are these sacred and hallowed organizations that need to be saved at all costs. But to put them above prosecution of the war on the Mexican cartels is downright idiotic. Felix, I’m literally done with you and your blog. This statement is just too stupid to take seriously.

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By: iamamartin http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/13/why-the-us-didnt-prosecute-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-45204 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:25:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19815#comment-45204 Boooo Felix ! What a load of cobblers. Does anyone care about the car thief’s family when he loses his job and goes to jail ? No. If people lose their jobs because they work for a corrupt bank, too bad. Those employees work for a criminal organization like the mob. Destroying it, and the shareholders value is necessary to preserve the rule of law. The problem today is the people in charge all think like you. The corruption will continue until the banksters are prosecuted.
Have you no shame sir ?

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