Comments on: UBS’s lies http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Kaleberg http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45308 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:56:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45308 Lilguy is right on the money. Why would anyone expect anything else from high life criminals? Everyone knows that crime pays, so why be a penny ante “gansta” when you can make money big time?

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By: scotta http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45306 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:20:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45306 I didn’t think I’d say this, but I wish we had a showboater in the AG’s office. Guiliani c. 1980’s or Elliot Spitzer early 2000’s would have had some perp walks.

There probably are ‘good and honest’ managers in the mob and Mexican drug cartels, but it doesn’t change the fact they are criminal organizations. I don’t know how you can look at the TBTF banks and think they are anything other than criminal organizations.

And it’s not just a couple losers on the LIBOR desk, it goes to the Board and CEO.

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By: ExaminerCarter http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45304 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:46:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45304 Bigger issue: can someone say RICO? There was collusion for profit (not just reputation) among numerous firms and brokers. Despite the FSA concluding that the actions were not DELIBERATE MISCONDUCT on the part of UBS, I am not sure that matters.

Where is the Southern District (or Gerry Corrigan) when one needs them?

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By: Matthew_Saroff http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45301 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:53:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45301 I love your steamroller quote, but considering that Lanny Breuer just said that not only the banks, but senior bank officials are too big to prosecute, I think that steam roller is the wrong vehicle for the metaphor.

It’s not a steamroller, it’s a bicycle icecream cart.

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By: Lilguy http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45300 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:32:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45300 OK, Felix, I’ll call you naive.

Anyone who thinks the banks and their executives think of ANYTHING except getting more money–their profits, their commissions, their bonuses–is officially, certifiably naive.

…even if it may lead to jail for some(although that remains a remote possibility for the vast majority of them).

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By: QueCosa http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45298 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:53:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45298 Excellent article, indeed !

As a multi-decades veteran of fixed-income and investment banking units of a number of bulge bracket firms, I have had the opportunity to observe first-hand the decline of accountability and the institutionalization of plausible deniability among the ranks of the purported “management” of places like UBS, Barclays, BofA, etc., and am delighted that Felix Salmon continues to do his homework and from time to time calls them out for their perfidy.

It’s sort of pitiful that, even now with the mountains of evidence and admissions of guilt in these cases, there still remain some credulous cheerleaders of these bumbling financial oligopolies who still think the “HSBC fine and now this group of Libor settlements is nothing more than a revenue grab.”

That sort of prompts my inner bond daddy wish I had some derivatives (levered on some obscure and illiquid index) to sell to those vocal naifs so very concerned about what they perceive as unjustified abuse of their beloved and blameless SIFI’s.

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By: FifthDecade http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45295 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:44:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45295 Excellent article Felix. Someone has finally said “The Emperor has no clothes!”

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By: MrRFox http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45294 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:15:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45294 Well to you, Y2K – “The massive HSBC fine” you mention amounts to a whopping one-month of pre-tax earnings based on last year’s results – that’ll show ’em!

And to you, FS – troll, ho, shill with your fake outrage and HSBC-handouts – go down on some HSBC-….

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By: y2kurtus http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/19/ubss-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-45293 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:48:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=19899#comment-45293 We have reached the point where we are using EU style kangaroo court justice to both limit the growth and hold down the valuations of the “SIFIs.”

The massive HSBC fine and now this group of Libor settlements is nothing more than a revenue grab. Banks aren’t paying as much in taxes because #1 they simply aren’t as profitable and #2 still have loss carryforwards from 08 and 09.

Speaking of 08 and 09 international bank regulators were pressuring banks to artificially lower Libor. The banks were happy to comply since they were desperate for the cheaper funding and would do ANYTHING to earn the love of central bankers and Treasury Secretaries who they knew would eventually pick who would live and who would die.

Any time you can bet upwards of a trillion dollars on a thin index or much worse in the case of Libor a privately set rate by a legal cartel this is what you get. Every player involved knew exactly what was going on.

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