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		<title>By: rootless_e</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45423</link>
		<dc:creator>rootless_e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simpler solution is to remember that the problem is not preventing banks from failing but preventing bank failures from breaking the economy.  The simple way to do that is to use modern technology to offer public banking facilities for clearing and basic savings.  Then banks can do what they do and go their merry way.

http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/37844600416/a-modest-proposal-for-free-market-bank-reform</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simpler solution is to remember that the problem is not preventing banks from failing but preventing bank failures from breaking the economy.  The simple way to do that is to use modern technology to offer public banking facilities for clearing and basic savings.  Then banks can do what they do and go their merry way.</p>
<p><a href='http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/37844600416/a-modest-proposal-for-free-market-bank-reform'>http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/378446 00416/a-modest-proposal-for-free-market- bank-reform</a></p>
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		<title>By: realist50</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45422</link>
		<dc:creator>realist50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eericson: I think that we have some areas of agreement, the biggest being that there has to be a credible potential that any company, including financial institutions can &quot;fail&quot;.  That need not mean liquidation except in extreme cases, but some sort of bankruptcy or resolution process that imposes losses on shareholders followed by creditors.  

That said, I differ substantially about the S&amp;L&#039;s.  There were instances of fraud, but fraud was a small part of what happened.  In terms of the monetary cost of the S&amp;L&#039;s, I feel confident saying that outright fraud was less than 10% of the issue.  The bigger problems were a mix of incompetence (by both S&amp;L&#039;s and their regulators), excessive optimism, and bad economic conditions (everything from the oil bust to the 1986 Tax Reform Act, though you could argue that unsound real estate lending was going to catch up to the S&amp;L&#039;s sooner or later).

More broadly than just S&amp;L&#039;s, that to me is one of the bigger problems with journalist coverage in general.  Journalists by nature are opposed to Hanlon&#039;s razor - &quot;Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity&quot; - because malice is a far more interesting story than stupidity.  That becomes a big problem in the coverage of something like the S&amp;L crisis, because the specific instances of fraud get more coverage than the generalized incompetence, so the story ends up being that malice was the cause when it was really stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eericson: I think that we have some areas of agreement, the biggest being that there has to be a credible potential that any company, including financial institutions can &#8220;fail&#8221;.  That need not mean liquidation except in extreme cases, but some sort of bankruptcy or resolution process that imposes losses on shareholders followed by creditors.  </p>
<p>That said, I differ substantially about the S&#038;L&#8217;s.  There were instances of fraud, but fraud was a small part of what happened.  In terms of the monetary cost of the S&#038;L&#8217;s, I feel confident saying that outright fraud was less than 10% of the issue.  The bigger problems were a mix of incompetence (by both S&#038;L&#8217;s and their regulators), excessive optimism, and bad economic conditions (everything from the oil bust to the 1986 Tax Reform Act, though you could argue that unsound real estate lending was going to catch up to the S&#038;L&#8217;s sooner or later).</p>
<p>More broadly than just S&#038;L&#8217;s, that to me is one of the bigger problems with journalist coverage in general.  Journalists by nature are opposed to Hanlon&#8217;s razor &#8211; &#8220;Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity&#8221; &#8211; because malice is a far more interesting story than stupidity.  That becomes a big problem in the coverage of something like the S&#038;L crisis, because the specific instances of fraud get more coverage than the generalized incompetence, so the story ends up being that malice was the cause when it was really stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Eericsonjr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45420</link>
		<dc:creator>Eericsonjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realist50: I&#039;m not suggesting that &quot;boring banks don&#039;t fail.&quot; I&#039;m suggesting, like you, I think, that when they do it&#039;s OK--especially if they are small and in a competitive market. The S&amp;L stuff you cite wasn&#039;t about boring banks in geographically concentrated markets. It was about fraud. Insider fraud. Just like the 2008 scams were. The Basel structure, the gaming of &quot;risk weightage&quot; and all the rest are a distraction from this central fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realist50: I&#8217;m not suggesting that &#8220;boring banks don&#8217;t fail.&#8221; I&#8217;m suggesting, like you, I think, that when they do it&#8217;s OK&#8211;especially if they are small and in a competitive market. The S&#038;L stuff you cite wasn&#8217;t about boring banks in geographically concentrated markets. It was about fraud. Insider fraud. Just like the 2008 scams were. The Basel structure, the gaming of &#8220;risk weightage&#8221; and all the rest are a distraction from this central fact.</p>
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		<title>By: George_Lekatis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45416</link>
		<dc:creator>George_Lekatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true, the first Basel agreement on global banking regulation, adopted in 1988, was 30 pages long and relied on simple arithmetic. It was simple, but it was more fiction than reality. 

It was not risk based (all counterparts were equally able to repay the loans), it did not recognize market risk (!) and operational risk (!!). It was a main reason for many of the problems in the banking sector. It was a huge regulatory arbitrage challenge (and opportunity).

Banks are in the business of taking risks, and we cannot describe these risks and the necessary steps to mitigate these risks in 30 pages.

George Lekatis
Basel iii Compliance Professionals Association (BiiiCPA)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true, the first Basel agreement on global banking regulation, adopted in 1988, was 30 pages long and relied on simple arithmetic. It was simple, but it was more fiction than reality. </p>
<p>It was not risk based (all counterparts were equally able to repay the loans), it did not recognize market risk (!) and operational risk (!!). It was a main reason for many of the problems in the banking sector. It was a huge regulatory arbitrage challenge (and opportunity).</p>
<p>Banks are in the business of taking risks, and we cannot describe these risks and the necessary steps to mitigate these risks in 30 pages.</p>
<p>George Lekatis<br />
Basel iii Compliance Professionals Association (BiiiCPA)</p>
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		<title>By: fresnodan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45415</link>
		<dc:creator>fresnodan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many bankers became destitute?
How many bankers (and bond rating agency heads) went to prison for fraud? Or for that matter, were replaced by outraged shareholders?

Capitalism can&#039;t work if losses are not taken but absorbed by governments.  Capitalism can&#039;t work if people who make loans don&#039;t understand that they have to be paid back.  Capitalism can&#039;t work if fraud and stealing is equated with earning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many bankers became destitute?<br />
How many bankers (and bond rating agency heads) went to prison for fraud? Or for that matter, were replaced by outraged shareholders?</p>
<p>Capitalism can&#8217;t work if losses are not taken but absorbed by governments.  Capitalism can&#8217;t work if people who make loans don&#8217;t understand that they have to be paid back.  Capitalism can&#8217;t work if fraud and stealing is equated with earning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: crocodilechuck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45414</link>
		<dc:creator>crocodilechuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The answer of the global regulatory regime was something called Basel III. It was pushed through in something of a rush, and so it built on Basel II as a base: my metaphor is that it’s a bit like the way Windows was built on DOS. As a result, although it’s a clear improvement over Basel II, it is necessarily at least as complex as Basel II. And when complexity itself is part of the problem, extra layers of regulation are unlikely to constitute much of a solution.&quot;

Felix, nothing in this long post gives any comfort to the reader that Basel III represents any &#039;clear improvement&#039; over its predecessor. 

First, a rear view summary:  

Basel 1: mortgage lending only requires 50% risk weighted capital. RESULT: Euro banks pile into this by way of dodgy US mortgage backed securities. OUTCOME: see 2008.
Basel 2: sovereign debt requires only 50% risk weighted capital. RESULT: Euro banks pile into this by way of PIIGS sovereign exposure. PREDICTED OUTCOME: see 2008.

In both cases, European banks were happy to &#039;comply&#039; with Basel guidelines on capital-so they could game it.  In fact, we should feel lucky that the US banks did NOT comply with Basel II-they were better capitalised in &#039;08 than their UK and EU stablemates.

From der Bloomberg today:  &quot;The first Basel agreement on global banking regulation, adopted in 1988, was 30 pages long and relied on simple arithmetic. The latest update, known as Basel III, runs to 509 pages and includes 78 calculus equations.&quot;

Felix:  Basel III isn’t perfect, but it’s as good as we’re going to get, and is actually significantly better than most people dared hope when it first started being negotiated. And the technocrats who put Basel III together are not some group of knaves, deluding themselves that they’ve magically fixed all the problems with the banking system. They’re smart and well-intentioned regulators.........&quot;

Right-who know differential equations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The answer of the global regulatory regime was something called Basel III. It was pushed through in something of a rush, and so it built on Basel II as a base: my metaphor is that it’s a bit like the way Windows was built on DOS. As a result, although it’s a clear improvement over Basel II, it is necessarily at least as complex as Basel II. And when complexity itself is part of the problem, extra layers of regulation are unlikely to constitute much of a solution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Felix, nothing in this long post gives any comfort to the reader that Basel III represents any &#8216;clear improvement&#8217; over its predecessor. </p>
<p>First, a rear view summary:  </p>
<p>Basel 1: mortgage lending only requires 50% risk weighted capital. RESULT: Euro banks pile into this by way of dodgy US mortgage backed securities. OUTCOME: see 2008.<br />
Basel 2: sovereign debt requires only 50% risk weighted capital. RESULT: Euro banks pile into this by way of PIIGS sovereign exposure. PREDICTED OUTCOME: see 2008.</p>
<p>In both cases, European banks were happy to &#8216;comply&#8217; with Basel guidelines on capital-so they could game it.  In fact, we should feel lucky that the US banks did NOT comply with Basel II-they were better capitalised in &#8217;08 than their UK and EU stablemates.</p>
<p>From der Bloomberg today:  &#8220;The first Basel agreement on global banking regulation, adopted in 1988, was 30 pages long and relied on simple arithmetic. The latest update, known as Basel III, runs to 509 pages and includes 78 calculus equations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Felix:  Basel III isn’t perfect, but it’s as good as we’re going to get, and is actually significantly better than most people dared hope when it first started being negotiated. And the technocrats who put Basel III together are not some group of knaves, deluding themselves that they’ve magically fixed all the problems with the banking system. They’re smart and well-intentioned regulators&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Right-who know differential equations.</p>
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		<title>By: realist50</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45413</link>
		<dc:creator>realist50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would encourage reading Felix&#039;s post here and Matt Levine&#039;s post at Dealbreaker, and skipping the Atlantic piece by Eisinger and Partnoy.  

The killer for me was seeing an excerpt from the Atlantic article (quoted by Levine) where Eisinger and Partnoy seize on the fact that Wells Fargo describes its market making activities as including &quot;taking positions to facilitate expected customer order flow&quot;.  They go into hysterics over the term &quot;expected&quot; versus responding to what customers actually have done.  

I am not going to make a categorical claim that Basel III is perfect, or that it can&#039;t be improved upon.  I&#039;m sure there are ways it could be better.  I will categorically state, however, that I&#039;m not going to read 9,500 words on financial regulation written by authors who don&#039;t seem to grasp that market making (i) requires holding an inventory of securities, (ii) entails taking on positions and risks that don&#039;t always net to zero, and (iii) like all business, is a forward looking rather than backward looking activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would encourage reading Felix&#8217;s post here and Matt Levine&#8217;s post at Dealbreaker, and skipping the Atlantic piece by Eisinger and Partnoy.  </p>
<p>The killer for me was seeing an excerpt from the Atlantic article (quoted by Levine) where Eisinger and Partnoy seize on the fact that Wells Fargo describes its market making activities as including &#8220;taking positions to facilitate expected customer order flow&#8221;.  They go into hysterics over the term &#8220;expected&#8221; versus responding to what customers actually have done.  </p>
<p>I am not going to make a categorical claim that Basel III is perfect, or that it can&#8217;t be improved upon.  I&#8217;m sure there are ways it could be better.  I will categorically state, however, that I&#8217;m not going to read 9,500 words on financial regulation written by authors who don&#8217;t seem to grasp that market making (i) requires holding an inventory of securities, (ii) entails taking on positions and risks that don&#8217;t always net to zero, and (iii) like all business, is a forward looking rather than backward looking activity.</p>
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		<title>By: realist50</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45412</link>
		<dc:creator>realist50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eericsonjr - are you trying to say that &quot;boring&quot; banks didn&#039;t fail, in many cases spectacularly, in the good old days?  

Remember the S&amp;L&#039;s getting into trouble after high short-term interest rates up-ended their whole business model, and they therefore decided to get into other types of lending that they didn&#039;t understand very well?

Remember almost every sizable institution in Texas failing in the 1980&#039;s after the Texas oil and property bust, because they were regionally focused institutions in a region whose economy was crushed?

Remember Continental Illinois, which popularized the term &quot;too big to fail&quot; in 1984?

Remember the emerging markets loan crisis of the 1980&#039;s, which nearly took down Citibank?  (Citi, across different names and business scopes, has had an illustrious history of getting itself into trouble pursuing the trend du jour).

Bubble bursts - particularly ones than involve real estate - have pretty much always resulted in a banking crisis, regardless of the regulatory regime in effect at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eericsonjr &#8211; are you trying to say that &#8220;boring&#8221; banks didn&#8217;t fail, in many cases spectacularly, in the good old days?  </p>
<p>Remember the S&#038;L&#8217;s getting into trouble after high short-term interest rates up-ended their whole business model, and they therefore decided to get into other types of lending that they didn&#8217;t understand very well?</p>
<p>Remember almost every sizable institution in Texas failing in the 1980&#8242;s after the Texas oil and property bust, because they were regionally focused institutions in a region whose economy was crushed?</p>
<p>Remember Continental Illinois, which popularized the term &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; in 1984?</p>
<p>Remember the emerging markets loan crisis of the 1980&#8242;s, which nearly took down Citibank?  (Citi, across different names and business scopes, has had an illustrious history of getting itself into trouble pursuing the trend du jour).</p>
<p>Bubble bursts &#8211; particularly ones than involve real estate &#8211; have pretty much always resulted in a banking crisis, regardless of the regulatory regime in effect at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: upstater</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45411</link>
		<dc:creator>upstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what Bill Black would have to say...</description>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could regulate with criminal prosecutions for accounting control fraud, though.</description>
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		<title>By: Nathan_Samuel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45407</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan_Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could critique this post for same argumentative mistakes as it&#039;s critiquing. Both articles (Atlantic and Bloomberg) make claims about the kinds of regulatory regimes we should have, but fail to support their theses. Fine. But then Felix says &quot;what you want is impossible,&quot; and his evidence amounts to &quot;it hasn&#039;t been done&quot; and &quot;it would be really hard.&quot; Even if I think Felix is probably right, I&#039;m not convinced by the lack of an argument here. More to the point, wouldn&#039;t it be more constructive to get ahead of the curve, rather than trying to bend it back on itself? We should be asking ourselves how we shape 2050 instead of trying to recreate 1950. To that point, I would say look at how much we use the word &quot;systemic&quot; when describing all the things wrong with international finance. Something should be read into that. The problem with Basel III is that it&#039;s trying to bail out a sinking, obsolete ship that was converted into a floating casino years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could critique this post for same argumentative mistakes as it&#8217;s critiquing. Both articles (Atlantic and Bloomberg) make claims about the kinds of regulatory regimes we should have, but fail to support their theses. Fine. But then Felix says &#8220;what you want is impossible,&#8221; and his evidence amounts to &#8220;it hasn&#8217;t been done&#8221; and &#8220;it would be really hard.&#8221; Even if I think Felix is probably right, I&#8217;m not convinced by the lack of an argument here. More to the point, wouldn&#8217;t it be more constructive to get ahead of the curve, rather than trying to bend it back on itself? We should be asking ourselves how we shape 2050 instead of trying to recreate 1950. To that point, I would say look at how much we use the word &#8220;systemic&#8221; when describing all the things wrong with international finance. Something should be read into that. The problem with Basel III is that it&#8217;s trying to bail out a sinking, obsolete ship that was converted into a floating casino years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Eericsonjr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45406</link>
		<dc:creator>Eericsonjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait--was the problem that Basel II was too complex? Or that it &quot;allowed the banks to make up their own rules?&quot;

They&#039;re not the same thing--though both may be true.

Or was the problem that the financial center banks were and are filled with hydrocephalic greedmonkeys whose main business was and is to enrich themselves while beggaring all of us? In which case, an effective Basel III WOULD look much like a return to Basel I, boring banking, Toronto, New Delhi? 

And--by the by--if even India&#039;s banking system proved robust and stable--India, whose tradition of public and private corruption is unmatched among great nations--than doesn&#039;t that maybe say something important about the structure and efficacy of Basel I-style banking when set alongside the New York/London mess? 

Simply saying &quot;we can&#039;t go back&quot; doesn&#039;t make it so. We actually could, if enough of us wanted to force the issue.

Oh, but Felix&#039;s lunches would get boring ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8211;was the problem that Basel II was too complex? Or that it &#8220;allowed the banks to make up their own rules?&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not the same thing&#8211;though both may be true.</p>
<p>Or was the problem that the financial center banks were and are filled with hydrocephalic greedmonkeys whose main business was and is to enrich themselves while beggaring all of us? In which case, an effective Basel III WOULD look much like a return to Basel I, boring banking, Toronto, New Delhi? </p>
<p>And&#8211;by the by&#8211;if even India&#8217;s banking system proved robust and stable&#8211;India, whose tradition of public and private corruption is unmatched among great nations&#8211;than doesn&#8217;t that maybe say something important about the structure and efficacy of Basel I-style banking when set alongside the New York/London mess? </p>
<p>Simply saying &#8220;we can&#8217;t go back&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it so. We actually could, if enough of us wanted to force the issue.</p>
<p>Oh, but Felix&#8217;s lunches would get boring &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: realist50</title>
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		<dc:creator>realist50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that a major reason for the safe banking systems in Canada and Australia - possibly the major reason - is that they have oligopolies of a few large banks, with limited competition, so spreads and fees are high.  As a result, these banks can (i) earn a strong ROE even with higher capital levels and (ii) generate enough income before charge-offs that they can weather a spike in loan losses.  (I am not very familiar with banks in India, so I can&#039;t say if they benefit from the same phenomenon.)

Obtaining bank stability via oligopoly-based high pricing shouldn&#039;t surprise anyone, as there&#039;s a natural tension between wanting stable banks and wanting for bank customers to obtain the lowest possible fees and interest rates on borrowings (or alternately, for bank depositors to receive the highest possible interest rates).  As with any business, there&#039;s always the possibility that a truly competitive marketplace drives someone out of business.  So we need to accept that either (i) we allow for somewhat higher than &quot;competitive market&quot; pricing on financial products and services as part of our regulatory regime as part of the price of financial stability or (ii) we need to allow financial institutions to fail and to prepare for that to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that a major reason for the safe banking systems in Canada and Australia &#8211; possibly the major reason &#8211; is that they have oligopolies of a few large banks, with limited competition, so spreads and fees are high.  As a result, these banks can (i) earn a strong ROE even with higher capital levels and (ii) generate enough income before charge-offs that they can weather a spike in loan losses.  (I am not very familiar with banks in India, so I can&#8217;t say if they benefit from the same phenomenon.)</p>
<p>Obtaining bank stability via oligopoly-based high pricing shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone, as there&#8217;s a natural tension between wanting stable banks and wanting for bank customers to obtain the lowest possible fees and interest rates on borrowings (or alternately, for bank depositors to receive the highest possible interest rates).  As with any business, there&#8217;s always the possibility that a truly competitive marketplace drives someone out of business.  So we need to accept that either (i) we allow for somewhat higher than &#8220;competitive market&#8221; pricing on financial products and services as part of our regulatory regime as part of the price of financial stability or (ii) we need to allow financial institutions to fail and to prepare for that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: retheauditors</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45402</link>
		<dc:creator>retheauditors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m frustrated by 9,600 words pontificating on well-known problems with no practical solutions.  So indulgent.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s regulatory incompetence or ineptitude as much as deliberate forbearance that encourages banks to do whatever they want for as long as they want and then pay relatively minimal penalties for breaking the rules.  We&#039;ve heard over and over again that nothing or very little was done by regulators during the crisis on both sides of the Atlantic - and auditors who took their cues from politicians rather than investors - because the &quot;financial system&quot; may break otherwise.

Investors - and taxpayers - must demand a financial system that serves the public not the bankers. Citizens must demand solutions to meeting specific goals like furthering growth for everyone not lofty ones like &quot;stability&quot; or we&#039;ll perpetuate the current system that only profits insiders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m frustrated by 9,600 words pontificating on well-known problems with no practical solutions.  So indulgent.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s regulatory incompetence or ineptitude as much as deliberate forbearance that encourages banks to do whatever they want for as long as they want and then pay relatively minimal penalties for breaking the rules.  We&#8217;ve heard over and over again that nothing or very little was done by regulators during the crisis on both sides of the Atlantic &#8211; and auditors who took their cues from politicians rather than investors &#8211; because the &#8220;financial system&#8221; may break otherwise.</p>
<p>Investors &#8211; and taxpayers &#8211; must demand a financial system that serves the public not the bankers. Citizens must demand solutions to meeting specific goals like furthering growth for everyone not lofty ones like &#8220;stability&#8221; or we&#8217;ll perpetuate the current system that only profits insiders.</p>
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		<title>By: klhoughton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/03/you-cant-regulate-with-nostalgia/comment-page-1/#comment-45401</link>
		<dc:creator>klhoughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to romanticize George Bailey (and his drunk uncle), you have to keep in mind that Mr. Potter was in the same business--and, judging by the bank run--in much better shape, capital-wise.

The problem isn&#039;t that we get nostalgic for Bailey; it&#039;s that the Potters of today have n/o/ c/l/o/t/h/e/s/ not enough capital, and complain when that is pointed out.

Investors didn&#039;t worry when the black box was a small part of the plane. Now, when it&#039;s all that&#039;s still there, Whaling away, is when we look and say (to borrow the old joke), &quot;Yeah, that thing will fly. Like me grandmother.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to romanticize George Bailey (and his drunk uncle), you have to keep in mind that Mr. Potter was in the same business&#8211;and, judging by the bank run&#8211;in much better shape, capital-wise.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t that we get nostalgic for Bailey; it&#8217;s that the Potters of today have n/o/ c/l/o/t/h/e/s/ not enough capital, and complain when that is pointed out.</p>
<p>Investors didn&#8217;t worry when the black box was a small part of the plane. Now, when it&#8217;s all that&#8217;s still there, Whaling away, is when we look and say (to borrow the old joke), &#8220;Yeah, that thing will fly. Like me grandmother.&#8221;</p>
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