Comments on: Europe’s robust financial-transactions tax http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: MorgantownJoe http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45724 Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:18:52 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45724 Thinking that this wouldn’t help the big banks is optimistic. Assuming the law would be changed to close such a loophole is just naive.

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By: dWj http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45720 Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:37:58 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45720 Insofar as there’s a problem with high-frequency trading that I’d like to address, a lot of it doesn’t result in executions, and therefore wouldn’t be directly affected by this. We need a microtax on orders, or perhaps better yet on order cancellations.

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By: TimWorstall http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45718 Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:56:08 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45718 “If the tax was Euro-wide: UK Parliament Economic Sub-Committee of the House of Lords, “The FTT is likely to induce a loss in GDP between five and 20 times larger than the revenues raised from the tax.” That means negative revenue for those that are counting.”

It’s nice to see that that committee actually took note of my evidence to them.

And the original source is the EU Commission’s own report into the FTT.

And I do wish that people would grasp the effects of stamp duty before praising it. The IFS looked into the incidence of it and found that the two major groups actually bearing the tax were pensioners (reduced returns on pension funds) and the workers (the tax raises the cost of capital to corporations, reduces investment and thus reduces wages).

Finally, what makes Felix so sure that the FTT will “work”?

One of the major claims is that increased speculation increases price volatility. This is something we can actually check over the next few years. Will price volatility in instruments subject to the tax increase or decrease?

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By: dsquared http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45714 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:50:12 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45714 “levies a surprisingly large 0.5% tax whenever anybody — anywhere in the world — trades a UK stock.”.

This really isn’t true without massive caveats. “Anybody” in this context doesn’t include market-makers and other recognised intermediaries. Also, “anywhere in the world” isn’t really true – trading in ADRs and other depositary receipts outside the UK isn’t subject to SDRT, which is why there’s a one-off charge of 1.5% on transferring a stock into a depositary receipt program. And “UK stock” in context means “stock where title is held in the UK”. If I incorporate my UK company in Delaware and list it on the NASDAQ, then transactions aren’t subject to SDRT, even if the entire actual business is UK based.

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By: WilliamCowie http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45712 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:28:48 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45712 This is a great idea and the U.S. should consider a variation. Specifically, how about a tax on business interest paid to financial institutions? That’s right, a tax on an expense, rather than on income.

Outrageous? Radical? Not exactly: For decades the U.S. has taxed certain business expenses. In particular, payroll tax is nothing but a tax on a specific business expense: labor.

Think about it: businesses are taxed on labor expense, but not on capital expense. Why not both?

Lest you argue that this would disincentivize (is that a word?) businesses from borrowing money and collapse the financial industry, think again. Does payroll tax make businesses decide not to hire people? Of course not.

You can imagine a proposal like this getting the financial lobby on K Street out in force. But here’s the question nobody has answered yet: why is it OK to tax labor expense, but not capital expense?

There is one huge benefit from a proposal like this: companies will be unable to park billions of dollars overseas to avoid the tax. And corporations might actually pay more in U.S. taxes than to their CEOs. How radical is that? :)

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By: qusma http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45711 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:00:08 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45711 >And yet, somehow, London remains the first choice for international companies looking for a place to list their shares.

That’s because they don’t care about prices being accurate.

What, exactly, qualifies as a sensible financial transaction in your mind? A portfolio with a 100% annual turnover will lose 40bp annually JUST to the increased spreads (no exemptions for market makers because that’d defeat the point). For comparison’s sake, my Schwab S&P500 ETF has annual fees of 4bp. A market order to buy/sell it, assuming no price impact, would cost me about 4bp, including commissions.

A 10bp FTT on SPY trades would increase its average spread by about 3000%. In what alternate universe does this seem like a good idea to anyone?

European markets already have very high transaction costs. Piling additional taxes, especially of such magnitude, on top of them will only serve to degrade market quality further. And it really only hits the most vulnerable people (by design of course, hence the lower taxes on derivatives).

Arbitrageurs can just take their money elsewhere, or stop trading. The only losers are the poor schmucks who are either forced to invest in these markets or don’t know better: the average European retail investor.

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By: rhone http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/30/europes-robust-financial-transactions-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-45710 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:51:22 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20343#comment-45710 It’s not a tax on the financial sector.

“UK…levies a surprisingly large 0.5%” 71 percent of transactions in the UK are exempt from the tax. Only ignorant retail investors pay stamp duty, which is not the same as the new transaction tax. That 0.5% tax is also diluted down to approximately 5 basis points per transaction amongst all investors, even if they do not own shares…everyone pays, even money market funds.

The following Fun Facts, complete with sources, are from financialtransactiontaxes.com

The end-investor and consumer will pay the most of this tax. Note cumulative and cascading. The IMF’s FTT Final Report For The G-20, June 2010, “Its real burden may fall largely on final consumers rather than, as often seems to be supposed, earnings in the financial sector. Because it is levied on every transaction, the cumulative, ‘cascading’ effects of an FTT—tax being charged on values that reflect the payment of tax at earlier stages—can be significant and non-transparent.”

If the tax was Euro-wide: UK Parliament Economic Sub-Committee of the House of Lords, “The FTT is likely to induce a loss in GDP between five and 20 times larger than the revenues raised from the tax.” That means negative revenue for those that are counting. UK Parliament European Scrutiny Committee citing the EU Commission’s FTT Impact Assessment, before including negative relocation effects, “a 3.43% fall in EU GDP equates to a fall in economic output worth €421 (£362) billion and a 0.34% fall in employment equates to a loss of 812,000 jobs.”

“The DCB study showed that 1.7 billion euros, over 42% of the annual FTT cost in the Netherlands, would be borne by pensions

“this new tax would disproportionately impact pension funds and other institutions which provide retirement income.

“The Wellcome Trust, a charitable foundation with a £14bn ($22bn) investment portfolio, calculates an FTT would cost it £32m a year, equivalent to its 600-person strong programme in Kenya.

“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”
-Dr Josef Mengele

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