Comments on: The problem with online freelance journalism http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Montalgo@1aas.com http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-55090 Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:41:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-55090 Great, Really like this. Check out our website as well.

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By: Tuktuk http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46087 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:41:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46087 How many bottles of milk or pieces of bread did the 15,220 comments and 1,269,516 Facebook Likes from Huffington Post buy the writer of the article? It’s great to have your stuff read, but sometimes there is a difference between a “professional writer” and someone who just wants to have their voice heard. The former can be a proud thinker who has a point to spread but who needs to support themselves through their work; the latter can be a narcissist who just wants attention.

To quote a famous Motown song, Being “liked” gives me such a thrill, but a Facebook “Like” don’t pay my bills.

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By: TimLef http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46083 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:27:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46083 “If you want to earn money in digital journalism, you’re probably going to have to get a full-time job somewhere.”

This is the problem with most freelancers’ thinking. That you have to be dependent on some gatekeeper (or series of gatekeepers) to earn a living. The most successful writers I know own their own publication and don’t have to ask permission from anyone. You don’t need a “full-time job somewhere.” You need to create your own. Or you should have 5 or 10 years ago, actually.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46082 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:26:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46082 The writer was only told he would not be paid after the initial contact. Had the introductory note read something like “We would like a rehash of your article but we cannot pay except in exposure” it would have been a different kettle of fish… and you know it. On spec, I would say that the person who offered the (non-)deal thought the writer would jump at the opportunity to be read by a different demographic. It happens to all of us. One editor even told me I was “lucky” that he had not asked me to pay for being allowed (his words, not mine) to write in his publication, and that he was only doing it because I am quite good and he liked my style and my take on the topic.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46081 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:25:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46081 The writer was only told he would not be paid after the initial contact. Had the introductory note read something like “We would like a rehash of your article but we cannot pay except in exposure” it would have been a different kettle of fish… and you know it. On spec, I would say that the person who offered the (non-)deal thought the writer would jump at the opportunity to be read by a different demographic. It happens to all of us. One editor even told me I was “lucky” that he had not asked me to pay for being allowed (his words, not mine) to write in his publication, and that he was only doing it because I am quite good and he liked my style and my take on the topic.

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By: Lumberg http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46080 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:24:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46080 Aw, come on. They’re just putting the “free” in “Freelance.”
If Ariana Huffington can do it, why can’t everyone else?

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By: TimWorstall http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46079 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:22:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46079 “The result is that it’s pretty much impossible to make a decent living on freelance digital-journalism income alone: I certainly don’t know of anybody who manages it. There’s still real money in magazine features, and there are a handful of websites which pay as much as $1,000 or $1,500 per article. But in general it’s much, much easier to get a job paying $60,000 a year working for a website than it is to cobble together $60,000 a year working freelance for a variety of different websites.”

It does of course depend upon what you mean by “decent living”. I have a feeling that for me living in rural Portugal the definition would be different from what Felix would define living in NYC.

However, the specific number you give there: sure, it’s possible to get that purely from freelance online journalism. Pays my mortgage at least.

Agreed that we don’t know each other: but we do know of each other which is close enough, no?

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By: Msifry http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-46078 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:57:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=20794#comment-46078 At techPresident.com, we have several writers on staff, and we also pay freelancers between $250-$500 a piece. Our traffic isn’t anything like the Atlantic’s (about 60K uniques a month) but because we report deeply on a niche topic (how tech is changing politics, government and civic life) we attract a devoted and valuable readership. We make money by putting on conferences (see http://www.personaldemocracy.com), selling subscriptions to premium content (http://personaldemocracy.com/static-con tent/personal-democracy-plus) and by obtaining foundation grants for particular verticals. Speaking of which, we are expanding our international WeGov section right now and also looking to hire another full-time editor-writer for that department–ideally someone interested in how tech is being used around the world to make government more open, work better, less corrupt, more responsive (or not).

My point–other than to take advantage of your platform to do a little self-promotion–is that there are other models for sustaining quality online journalism. Find a niche and serve it well.

Micah Sifry
Editorial director
Personal Democracy Media
msifry-at-gmail-dot-com

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