Comments on: America’s low-lying educational fruit http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: CharlieB http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46428 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:08 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46428 Did the well-endowed universities get a copy of this?

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By: TFF17 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46426 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:46:18 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46426 @LTake, it isn’t an easy proposition, but plenty of schools have solved it. The biggest problem is that you need a different model for education, one that is more time-intensive than the traditional schools and puts resources towards bridging the home/school divide. I’m not at all certain that this can be achieved through the public school systems, as they are too thoroughly entrenched in their old habits and contracts.

Yet if you pay salaries in the $30k-$40k range, and hire enough staff to keep average class size under 12 (with additional emphasis on guidance), you can give these students the attention and support they need to succeed, at a cost cheaper than what the public schools spend.

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By: SayHey http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46425 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:40:15 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46425 Sometimes, elites put too much emphasis on “top” colleges – much research shows that if all you do is get a bachelor’s degree, there is virtually no economic difference over a lifetime between going to Harvard or XYZ College (it does make a difference for the smaller group which goes on to the graduate level – there will be an economic difference on average in getting an MBA from Stanford than from XYZ College). BTW, my father did not finish grammar school and I have two graduate degrees; and, I also do not remember ever thinking I would not go to college.

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By: bny http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46423 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:25:00 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46423 Let’s reconsider whether the “ideal” is that just about everyone goes to college for an undergraduate degree.
Consider the focuse of this book and its challenge to see skilled labor in a positive and proper light alongside the academic trades.

A philosopher/mechanic’s wise (and sometimes funny) look at the challenges and pleasures of working with one’s hands

Called “the sleeper hit of the publishing season” (The Boston Globe), Shop Class as Soulcraft became an instant bestseller, attracting readers with its radical (and timely) reappraisal of the merits of skilled manual labor. On both economic and psychological grounds, author Matthew B. Crawford questions the educational imperative of turning everyone into a “knowledge worker,” based on a misguided separation of thinking from doing. Using his own experience as an electrician and mechanic, Crawford presents a wonderfully articulated call for self-reliance and a moving reflection on how we can live concretely in an ever more abstract world.

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By: LTake http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46409 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:13:26 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46409 “Low-lying fruit” assumes that this is an easy proposition and that educators at every level have not already been attempting to address this population. Both of those assumptions would be erroneous.

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By: EvanSoltas http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46381 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 03:41:25 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46381 Felix, Thanks for the link. I’m stunned more of “the discussion” — you know the set of bloggers, writers, etc. who seem to be in constant debate — doesn’t use GSS data. Every time I think there might be something useful there, I check. Good reference to the Hoxby research too — there’s a strong argument to be made, I think, that mismatch (in both directions) is a major obstacle to our thesis of high-marginal-returns-to-first-generatio n-education.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46380 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:17:00 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46380 “We should put some real money, and some policy, where our admiration is.”

Then consider donating to a school that serves primarily first-generation urban girls?

http://esaboston.com/

As you say, they have scholarships available to them if they simply graduate from high school with a good work ethic and decent skills (and apply). Bridging that gap is both shockingly cheap, less than $12k/student-year all-in, and frustratingly out of reach.

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By: BarryKelly http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46379 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:27:37 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46379 How valid are the father-filtered results for the future? College has become a lot more commonplace; there are many who believe its social signalling worth is greatly diluted today vs 30 years ago.

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By: MyLord http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46378 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:07:53 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46378 Some will assume genetics combined with fatherly drive, example, subsidies, and the family business, mean reversion countered by parental involvement, so less amenable to social inducements. One wonders what the return to college would be if everyone did so, or how much servicing the car or shampooing the carpet would cost then.

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By: right http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/24/americas-low-lying-educational-fruit/comment-page-1/#comment-46377 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:57:13 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=21030#comment-46377 According to Soltas the middle of the chart is $20K not $100K. Three quarters over on the chart is $50K. It’s showing percentiles so not linear with dollars.

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