Comments on: The spread of link rot http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: DaveLucas http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47585 Sat, 06 Jul 2013 12:39:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47585 The communistic cloud cannot be avoided. You see that blogger blogs aren’t “safe,” in that they can be deleted any time. It happened to my first blog. Many wonderful years of posts vanished overnight. I did manage to save the first two years using software called HTTracker. Those two years of chronicles now exist only on the harddrive of an old Windows 95 computer. With thousands of posts on my current blogspot blog, which I have kept since 2006, I no longer fear deletion. I just accept the fact that it could happen anytime. I started a new wordpress blog, and I will admit my whole approach to and awareness of blogging has changed dramatically since (1) my blog was deleted (2) all this ‘cloud’ stuff arrived on the scene and (3) I realized and now understand just how powerful entities like Facebook and Google are.

We netizens are like ants. When one of us “dies” there is always a replacement nearby, left to carry on.

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By: FredFnord http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47583 Sat, 06 Jul 2013 03:31:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47583 This is a test of the emergency re-clueing system. You are about to hear the sound of someone Missing The Point so hard that he can leap over church steeples without discomfort.

“Felix, it’s never been easier to make PDFs. If you want to save something, save it and stop whining that someone else should do it for you.”

This has been a test. Had this been an actual re-clueing, someone with more patience than I have would have gently explained the hard parts to poor Nort.

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By: rokid http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47581 Fri, 05 Jul 2013 20:26:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47581 I thought the NSA was archiving all of our stuff.

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By: ChrisWheeler http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47574 Fri, 05 Jul 2013 12:12:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47574 Apart from actual deletion, web browsers (especially Firefox) are also dropping support for older web standards, so older websites won’t be displayable on those browsers. Mostly at the moment it just stops them displaying correctly (which can mean text the same colour as background).

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By: RHewitt http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47534 Mon, 01 Jul 2013 22:16:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47534 Archive.org has approximately all of Mankiw’s comments and will probably eventually have approximately all of the adult content about to be deleted. I have even installed discontinued software from Archive.org before. It would be nice if it were indexed instantaneously, but it accomplishes much of what you are wishing for.

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By: Barry_D http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47522 Mon, 01 Jul 2013 18:21:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47522 “These mass deletions are huge; they make me feel almost sheepish about the anger with which I greeted, say, Greg Mankiw’s decision, back in 2007, not only to close his blog to comments, but at the same time to delete all the previous comments which had been made, with no warning”

The differences being that (a) Mankiw did this deliberately, and (b) he did it because he lost so many arguments.

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By: EconomistDuNort http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47517 Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:37:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47517 Unbelievable. Felix, who already thinks the world should provide him unending music and video for free, now believes it’s someone else’s responsibility to provide him the entire web, 24/7 for all eternity, in CASE one day he happens to think he wants to get some random piece of information from who knows how many years ago.

Felix, it’s never been easier to make PDFs. If you want to save something, save it and stop whining that someone else should do it for you.

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By: Moopheus http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47514 Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:44:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47514 “Google seems to be about to vaporize a significant number of the blogs”

Do you actually have any idea what that number is and how significant it is, or did you just pull that out of your behind?

In academia at least, there’s a movement to using DOIs instead of direct links to maintain pointers to online published material. This prevents link rot (at least as long as the DOI servers themselves are maintained), but doesn’t necessarily guarantee access. In ye olde days of course, if a book went out of print or a magazine died, copies would continue to exist in libraries.

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By: dmcdougall http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47506 Sat, 29 Jun 2013 03:23:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47506 I have two conflicting notions. First, my personal one, which is: Archive everything. Save everything. PDF everything. I never trust that something’s presence today implies an expected presence tomorrow.

Secondly, on the macro scale, an opposite feeling: The web’s ephemerality both standard now, and inherently useful — when everything is saved for posterity, nothing is saved for posterity (except the enormity of our archival impulse).

I remember a statistic from a year after the Egyptian revolution, that something like 20% of the Tweets on the topic had since disappeared in one way or another. Which is why a paperback edition of Tweets from Tahrir is so valuable a history.

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By: GRRR http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/06/28/the-spread-of-link-rot/comment-page-1/#comment-47501 Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:43:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=22172#comment-47501 You’re clearly just getting half the story on what Google is doing with blogger blogs. I’m a little worried about you, because it seems that lately you’ve had your eyes just partially open, as if you’re anti-Google.

What Google actually did was target people who were using Blogger to make money off adult content linking — essentially monetizing their Blogger blogs without adhering to the TOS that directs users to use AdSense.

I understand some people are upset that they cannot make money off porn via Blogger, but all they need to do is move to WordPress or find a host and build their own blog using WordPress templates, Drupal or Joomla, etc. There are a lot of choices out there, and people pretending as if what Google has done is some great evil, is a bit pathetic.

When they killed Reader, that was something worth getting upset over. This — Blogger’s exclusion — is not.

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