Comments on: Is there opportunity in art history? http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: biffy http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49293 Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:29:16 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49293 I think that a lot of the problem is that people are treating a Bachelor’s degree in the Arts & Humanities like a technical degree. Studying Art History/Art/Creative Writing/Whatever does not mean that it’s the only thing that you can apply those skills towards. The auxiliary skills are what will get you a job.

Art History isn’t a degree for lazy people (I am an art professor, so I see this firsthand.). I’ve found that Art History majors tend to be the most organized, curious, and dedicated students in the classroom. It requires a lot of reading, writing, memorization, and analyzation. Many art students are scared to take art history courses because of how difficult it is to memorize 16+ things about 150+ works of art, to then only be tested on 10 of them.

Education is not just about learning a specific technical skill set, but also is learning how to THINK. Learning how to think critically and solve problems creatively is an invaluable skill that can be used in many occupations that are not directly related to degree field. Arts and Humanities majors are hungry for constructive feedback. They aren’t just interested in being told that they got the “right answer,” but instead they want to know how to improve their work.

There are more options than you think, and just because they aren’t directly arts related doesn’t mean that their degree has somehow failed them. (if this is the case, college has failed most people)

It’s a very disciplined degree, and an art historian could easily tackle law school. …Or a spreadsheet. Whatever they want.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49274 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 20:07:49 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49274 @Strych09, I recall a symposium on entrepreneurialism that we took our students to a couple years ago… The speakers were involved in a variety of businesses, none obviously technical. One was a “turnaround” departmental manager at the Federal Reserve Bank. One was in politics. Yet they kept on bringing up a key point… Entrepreneurialism is about identifying problems and finding solutions. That is the fundamental value-added skill.

Do you get more opportunity to practice that in a STEM major or in art history? I could accept an argument that it doesn’t really make a difference (though certain majors are famous for their content-free BS), but the speakers (whatever their personal background) affirmed the importance of the STEM aspects of their training.

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By: K.MacKenzie http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49268 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:15:10 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49268 In my experience, what you study at degree level doesn’t matter at all, besides what will get your foot in the door to work somewhere.

The current situation is that you go to University and get a degree, to bypass the job application barriers for any job that carries decent future prospects (look at almost any non trades entry level job, and you’ll find they all demand a “2:1 degree, any discipline”).
Then, in that entry level job you will be making spreadsheets and photocopying bits of paper, until you’ve absorbed enough of the company’s operations to be more useful, at which point you can quickly rocket up the ranks. What you studied at university is actually of very little use, and the parts that are would be better served by taking specific, short, targeted courses as part of your job, instead of studying for a 4 year degree in the past and using maybe 5% of it.

Where your degree does matter, is in getting hired in the first place. While an employer might specify “any discipline”, in reality, of the 500 applicants for that one job, the ones with the degree in that subject have a realistic prospect of getting the job. Doesn’t matter that they’ll be doing spreadsheets and typing, and will have to relearn all that degree material when they actually get to a point of being able to use it.

You don’t do a degree to learn useful skills you can apply at work, you do it to get your first entry level job, and here art history does not serve you very well.

You could of course just go study a trade as Obama suggests, but in my experience they tend to pay poorly, have poor work conditions and generally poor prospects for the majority.

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By: Strych09 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49265 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:01:39 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49265 TFF: Just to apply what TomWest wrote: Not only are we “in a world where a lot of number-crunching jobs are becoming rapidly automated”, but those types of jobs that aren’t being automated are being outsourced to Bangalore, rapidly. I know that from personal experience.

I totally agree that there are always going to be people who will excel (pun intended) regardless of what they studied in college. For example, Michael Lewis, the author of the book “Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game” and the book that the movie “The Blind Side” was based on has an art history degree. He’s also very wealthy.

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By: QCIC http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49264 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:59:41 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49264 Umm no. I have known two Art History majors, one was a daughter of a rich person and the other married a rich person. Neither of them had much if any luck pursuing a career in art history. I think one worked in fundraising for a museum for 10 years, yeah that sounds fun.

In addition I don’t think “art history” is at all a good place to learn “abstract thinking skills”. Mainly it is a good place to memorize facts and theories about art history. If you want abstract thinking skills try Philosophy/Logic/Number Theory.

Meanwhile “problem-solving” will get you by anywhere. Frankly if you can do a career that is math intensive and you don’t you are making a huge mistake financially.

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By: TomWest http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49263 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:47:35 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49263 But then again, outsourcing or increased skilled immigration can render your problem solving skills less valuable, but making close personal connections with the 1% during an art history degree – the value of *that* only increases with time.

(Yes, tongue is firmly in cheek…)

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49261 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:11:10 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49261 http://chronicle.com/article/Median-Earn ings-by-Major-and/127604/

The median earnings of an art history major is around $50k, better than most of the humanities. The STEM fields (and business) are mostly well above this, and are less likely to depend on family wealth and social connections for profitable employment.

There are a few exceptional people who will be successful no matter what their major, but the majority need to take into consideration the career prospects of the path they choose to pursue.

I laughed at Felix’s suggestion that “abstract-thinking skills” are somehow more valuable in the new economy than problem-solving skills that are core to STEM. The “number-crunching” he disdains is akin to the skill of painting in the Impressionist style. Undeniably important in some pursuits, but not at the core of the academic study.

Moreover, I think most would agree that people who can see the whole picture and spot potential solutions to a difficulty are rarer than those who generate grand but impractical ideas.

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By: Flounders http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49260 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 05:43:32 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49260 Well, I was an art history major back in 65-68, and had to back out because I couldn’t produce that required level of pure bullshit. I stepped down a rung and became a Comparative Literature major, and just managed to hang on long enough to get a useless undergraduate degree. And later had to go back to school and learn calculus and chemistry starting over at the freshman level.

It’s not that Art History or thinking about paintings is so bad, but that there’s almost nothing honest to say about it in an academic environment. That you and others survived may mean only that you were OK at bullshit, and later found better and probably more socially-useful ways to use that talent.

On the other hand, reading this almost makes me want to learn about the influence of Piero della Francesca on Jacques-Louis David. Throw in the influence of Fragonard and you might develop insights on generational levels of guiltless fraudulence such as could shed light on the recent implosion of international finance.

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By: NickGogerty http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2014/02/18/is-there-opportunity-in-art-history/comment-page-1/#comment-49257 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:46:15 +0000 https://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=23129#comment-49257 I only got a minor in art history and BA in cultural anthropology. where will that leave me? I did write this. You be the judge…http://cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0 -231-16244-9/the-nature-of-value

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