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16:55 August 16th, 2008

Obama says pointed abortion query “above his pay grade”

Posted by: Ed Stoddard
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DALLAS - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by “mega-pastor” Rick Warren during a televised forum.

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Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question  with specificity … is above my pay grade.”

He went on to reiterate his view that it was important to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who followed Obama onto the stage of the nationally televised event, was more blunt and more emphatic.

He said a baby’s human rights began “at the moment of conception … I have a 25-year pro-life record.”

Both candidates were vying for the “faith vote,” in particular the one in four U.S. adults who count themselves as evangelical.

Obama took questions first from Warren and McCain followed. The two shared the stage together briefly.

Some centrist evangelicals have said they appreciate moves by the Democratic Party to “soften” the edges of its pro-choice stand by stressing the need to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions — and by also working harder in areas like adoption.

But for many conservative evangelicals — a key part of the evangelical base — life begins at conception and the argument ends there.

The issue remains one of the most divisive and partisan in America — as Obama and McCain highlighted on Warren’s stage.

(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason)

(Photo credit: REUTERS/Rebecca Cook, Files, USA)

1,002 comments so far

I am no McCain supporter, but to suggest we need to raise taxes is simply wrong. When capital gains tax has been lowered the facts show the government takes in more tax not less. When Reagan lowered tax on the wealthy the facts show government intake in tax revenue went from 500 billion to about 1 trillion dollars. Your democratic worn out talking point about McCain wants to give a tax break for the wealthy is pure jealous class wafarism because the dumocrats never have real solutions to solve our economic issues other saying the rich never pay enough tax and we need to raise tax. Raising taxes is no real solution, firing half or more of our government and getting rid of 1/2 to 3/4’s of government programs would be a start in the right direction. The founders never intended for our government to become by the government for the government.

As to the rich and everyone else who’s money is it? The democrats have a entitlement attitude that it’s there money not yours, yet they don’t work for it. If I start a business and within 5yrs I am making a million a year and employing 10 people I don’t want the dumocrats to penalize me because they think I’m rich. I worked my ars off, I’m feeding ten people and their families, I’m helping the economy and paying tax, what’s left is my money not the democrats who always want to take more from me. And yes, the democrats want to be the sugar daddy, because they THINK they know what’s best for everyone else with their elitist attitude. Democrats: “Do as I tell you not as I do!” Government is too big, too fat and wastes way too much of all our money and this goes for both parties!

- Posted by Jason

Whatever happened to separation of religion and politics? Does the US still stand for freedom or not? With these religious rants we sound as ridiculous as the right wing extremists we are fighting. Get some balance people. Judge these guys on their ability to lead the country in a difficult world.

- Posted by Bruce

I want all McCain supporters to sit back and to review the economic arguments that he’s putting forth. First of all, we have to raise taxes because this country is in a time of war. I think its pretty unpatriotic to not want to pay taxes. After all, I know the media has in a cowardly way said that we are winning th war in Iraq, somehow. We’ll see how stability holds up when the soldiers LEAVE. (We just don’t cover the atrocities in Afghanistan.) Secondly, McCain, like many Republicans claim that oh, Democrats want you to be dependent upon the government, well, they want you to be dependent upon wealthy people doing the right thing. Look at where that’s gotten us. How could people even fathom voting for a man who shares the same policies that got this country into the economic quagmire that it is currently in? It’s not logical. Look, McCain wants to offer tax breaks to the wealthy in HOPES that they will do the right thing and invest in our economy. Historically, we should have learned that its not in the elite’s best interest to watch out for the poor. Look at his wife. If the news media was not so biased, they would call McCain’s wife on doing business with not one, but with two companies that have cost Americans their jobs, inBev, and the company in Communist Cuba which she has not cut business ties with. This is the individual you all want to vote for?

- Posted by Phoenix

OBAMA IS PROVED THAT THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE WORLD IS INDEED ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE! Barack - you are not mentally or morally fit to be President of the United States of America.

- Posted by San Diego

First off, the belief in a god is a wish based primitive fairy tale. So you can drop, what “god think or wants” out of the discussion. Use your nature given intelligence to realize that it doesn’t matter what a president’s stance on abortion is. As it sits, abortion is a judicial matter, not executive. One should be focused on the appointment and approval of justices. Why not decide the Presidnt on if he likes mexican food or not - who cares?
The question is can the person lead a nation and run a country that is the most complex and powerful in the history of man.
I’m terrifed of the fact that they both still say that they believe in spirits, ghosts, and magic.

- Posted by Bill

“Perhaps you should have paid more attention in your logic class. If it’s “above your paygrade”, then you’ve admitted to every voter that you have no idea when life begins.
If that’s the truth (you’re telling us the truth, right?), then shouldn’t you error on the side of life?”

Not much for reading comprehension, are ya?

- Posted by Pantagruel

“Killing another human being has always been evil… and will continue to be evil regardless of what moral relativists may say.”

Not a fan of the death penalty, I guess.
Or war (regardless of the reasons), for that matter.

- Posted by Pantagruel

Above his pay grade means God makes that determination when Life starts not he as a man.

- Posted by CRT4Obama

Legislating morality??? Our entire civilization is built on the notion that there is a right and a wrong…. If we have no right to legislate morality, then why are our prisons full? There is a moral code… when something is wrong, when it’s evil, it is always evil… Killing another human being has always been evil… and will continue to be evil regardless of what moral relativists may say.

- Posted by Tessa Rogers

Obama says that he doesn’t know because “it’s above his paygrade.

Nice attempt to pander to the churchgoers, Obama. It didn’t work.

Perhaps you should have paid more attention in your logic class. If it’s “above your paygrade”, then you’ve admitted to every voter that you have no idea when life begins.
If that’s the truth (you’re telling us the truth, right?), then shouldn’t you error on the side of life? If you don’t know, Obama, shouldn’t you assume that life could potentially begin at conception?

- Posted by Scott Everard

“To act like he doesn’t want to presume when life begins is ridiculous!”

This wasn’t the question.
The issue was human RIGHTS, not human life.

Which makes the whole thing quite complex.
I am against abortions, would never have one.
But have any of you really considered the difficulty in legislating the rights of the unborn?

- Posted by Pantagruel

News flash, folks: answering that question with specificity is above EVERYONE’s pay grade… except perhaps God, if you believe in such an entity.

The fate of the country does NOT rest on the question of whether or not our politicians are pro-choice or pro-life. Bush is pro-life, yet Roe v. Wade has not been overturned because it was a constitutional decision. The fate of the country has NOTHING whatsoever to do with what our president thinks about abortion. It has to do with our president’s intelligence, clarity of thought, wisdom of decision making, education, the ability to communicate clearly, the ability to listen (to the citizens of the U.S., to advisors, to the international community), and -certainly- not least, the degree to which the president cares about the people of the country.

While the argument could be made that “caring about the people of the country” also includes the unborn, that starts us on a slippery slope of regulating and legislating morality. Let’s keep church and state separate, people, the way our founding fathers meant it to be. And let’s keep abortion safe, legal, and RARE.

- Posted by T. K.

Obama was being honest. He doesn’t know the moment that life begins and isn’t going to pretend he does. Nobody knows. Belief is not fact, nor is opinion. McCain seems to think he knows, and apparently some Americans like that. I don’t.

Obama spent the whole panel trying to dig deep, be introspective, and be very clear and honest about his views. McCain turned his attention to the audience and told stories. They were very good stories, I acknowledge that. Maybe it’s a matter of taste. But in this case I trust the honesty more than the excellent story-telling.

- Posted by Leah

Abortion is with no doubt terrible, a wrong choice.
The greatest gift to humans from God is freedom, including the freedom to make a wrong choice. The Government cannot impose moral views on to the people, that is a “talibanesque” attitude.
If abortion becomes criminalized… what penalty should a teenager receive who made the decision to have an illegal abortion? What penalty should a mother of 5 receive who made a decision to have an illegal abortion?. Could a jury condemn these people to capital punishment because of premeditated murder? The answer is no.

- Posted by patrick

I agree Jason…I have a lot of friends from my church that were unsure who they were going to vote for…now Obama has hemmed and hawed around on social issues that are important to them, like poverty, (Obama will raise taxes on working people), the environment (this is a wash since McCain also will protect the environment, (the only difference most people see here is that Obama won’t let us drill for our own oil, instead he’ll make us continue to buy from dangerous foreign countries), and abortion (Obama voted for and spoke out forcefully for denying medical care to newborn babies who survived an abortion, while McCain answered the same questions forthrightly and with honesty and integrity), and national defense (Obama said his toughest decision was his incorrect vote on the war in Iraq, and his subsequent mistake on saying the surge will not work. Yet, he did not apologize and he appears to be ready to continue to make more boneheaded mistakes).

On the economy, I prefer McCain’s policy of increasing economic activity for all, and reducing unemployment, giving people the satisfaction of a job, as apposed to Obama’s handouts and income redistribution. Who is Obama to decide when someone is “rich enough” and he can start confiscating more of their hard earned money, just because Obama and his San Francisco elitists think they can spend it better than the American who earned it?
Besides, the top 1% of income earners is already paying 39% of the income taxes, and the top 50% of income earners are paying 97% of the taxes, so just how much more than 97% does Obama want us to pay?

- Posted by Tom Paine

Bottom line Obama was asked a direct question, either he could not or would not answer. To act like he doesn’t want to presume when life begins is ridiculous! You can make the argument you don’t know when from conception to birth, but if a child isn’t a human being outside it’s mothers womb moving and breathing how many days, weeks or months does it take for it to become a human being? Obama is dishonest in his position and stumbled his way out of the question. Obama has no business being President, he lacks integrity, honesty and any serious experience.

- Posted by Jason

[...] This weekend, both McCain and Obama were interviewed by Pastor Rick Warren on live TV. [...]

- Posted by Just Give an answer, please | Pirates! Man Your Women!

to Augusto:
You say Obama’s “above my pay grade” quip was a “statement of humbleness in saying that only God knows when life truly starts.”

But Obama has regularly made decisions and vote to make sure we as Christians are forced to pay through our taxes for state-sponsored abortion. And he spoke our forcefully in the Born Alive Infants Protection Act debate, saying that we can’t let the live born babies live, because that might be a slippery slope, and it might lead to taking away our right to kill the baby in the womb.

If Obama really doesn’t think he knows when life starts, only God knows, then why is he willing to take the awful risk that he is killing a human made in God’s image, when he votes for and is supported by the abortion industry, Planned Parenthood, and the radical NOW gang?

- Posted by Tom Paine

To Carl Corbit, who said stopping the killing of innocent unborn girls and bosy “will in no way improve the strength of our country or the quality of our citizens. Tell me how banning abortions or same-sex unions will improve America? How will that increase our GDP? How will that end poverty? How will that fix our Healthcare system or our schools?

Carl, then I guess you agree that we should take the laws against spousal abuse or murder off the books. After all, stopping spousal murder will in no way improve the strength of our country or the quality of our citizens. Tell me how banning spousal murder will improve America? How will that increase our GDP? How will that end poverty? How will that fix our Healthcare system or our schools?

You see Carl, you can try to obfuscate and change the subject on any act of evil, but it doesn’t change the fact that the act is still evil and it should be stopped.
Is that your only criterion, if the cessation of killing unborn children will “increase our GDP”?

Carl and Obama, and the Democrat party, EXAMINE YOUR SOULS.

- Posted by Tom Paine

Right, a four word pronouncement on a question that has been the subject of scholarly, philosophical, and relgious inquiry for centuries is just … presidential!

No matter that McCain’s pandering comment would mean that use of any form of morning after pill, any IUD, and many types of birth control pills would be criminalized.

- Posted by zuzu's petals

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