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	<title>Comments on: Obama to McCain: Don&#8217;t question my patriotism</title>
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		<title>By: Belligerent Obama Assails &#8216;Pig&#8217; Outrage, Media &#124; Bucks Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belligerent Obama Assails &#8216;Pig&#8217; Outrage, Media &#124; Bucks Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Obamessiah&#8217;s  own &#8220;phony outrage&#8221; regarding questions about his patriotism that never happened or accusations that he&#8217;s a closet Muslim that only he seems to be forwarding are still fair [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Obamessiah&#8217;s  own &#8220;phony outrage&#8221; regarding questions about his patriotism that never happened or accusations that he&#8217;s a closet Muslim that only he seems to be forwarding are still fair [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2008/08/19/obama-to-mccain-dont-question-my-patriotism/#comment-370859</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much has been said about Senator McCain’s military experience ad is bing used as a part of his campaign. Senator McCain’s experience clearly shoes his patriotism. But his military experiences - being shot down as a Navy Pilot and thenserving as a prisoner of war for more than five years are not the type of military experience that are relevant to a US Commander-in-Chief. President Franklin D. Roosevelt was not a military pilot and he was not a prisoner of war but he led the United States to victory with the Allied Powers over the Axis Powers in World War II. That was why the US people elected hin the US President more than the two terms that was provided by US laws. The lack of military experience of Senator Barack Obama should not be held against him. President Dwight Eisenhower was not a military pilot and he was not a prisoner of war but he was a US Military General and he led the Allied Forces to Victory over the Axis Powers. That was why the US people elected him the US President. The military experiences of Senator McCain do not belong to the class of military experience of President Franklin D. Roosevelt aznd President Dwight Eisenhower.

Federico B. Santa Cruz

- Posted by Federico B. Santa Cruz 

My biggest problem with this bilge is that other people like yourself who have never picked up a history book will assume what you wrote was accurate.  Where do I even begin?

FDR was first elected president in 1932, seven years before the start of WWII and nine years before the U.S. got involved.  
He was elected to his third term in 1940, a year before Pearl Harbor was bombed.  
He was NEVER in the military.  
He died while in office shortly after being elected to his fourth term.  
SIX YEARS after the end of WWII, the 22nd amendment established presidential term limits (1951).

Snidely implying that McCain's military service was that he got shot down shows even more just how deeply pathetic your knowledge of history is.

Nobody is saying Obama's lack of military experience disqualifies him.  It's the fact that he, like FDR, who was as socialist as they come, would nearly bring unemployment rates back up to the 10% or so they were with FDR, promises to redistribute wealth from earners to non-earners, promises to slash our military, promises to kowtow to terrorist leaders, that fact that he is friends with people who have bombed government buildings and expressed no remorse and has as a spiritual leader someone who hates this country...that is of course until it becomes politically expedient to ditch him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much has been said about Senator McCain’s military experience ad is bing used as a part of his campaign. Senator McCain’s experience clearly shoes his patriotism. But his military experiences - being shot down as a Navy Pilot and thenserving as a prisoner of war for more than five years are not the type of military experience that are relevant to a US Commander-in-Chief. President Franklin D. Roosevelt was not a military pilot and he was not a prisoner of war but he led the United States to victory with the Allied Powers over the Axis Powers in World War II. That was why the US people elected hin the US President more than the two terms that was provided by US laws. The lack of military experience of Senator Barack Obama should not be held against him. President Dwight Eisenhower was not a military pilot and he was not a prisoner of war but he was a US Military General and he led the Allied Forces to Victory over the Axis Powers. That was why the US people elected him the US President. The military experiences of Senator McCain do not belong to the class of military experience of President Franklin D. Roosevelt aznd President Dwight Eisenhower.</p>
<p>Federico B. Santa Cruz</p>
<p>- Posted by Federico B. Santa Cruz </p>
<p>My biggest problem with this bilge is that other people like yourself who have never picked up a history book will assume what you wrote was accurate.  Where do I even begin?</p>
<p>FDR was first elected president in 1932, seven years before the start of WWII and nine years before the U.S. got involved.<br />
He was elected to his third term in 1940, a year before Pearl Harbor was bombed.<br />
He was NEVER in the military.<br />
He died while in office shortly after being elected to his fourth term.<br />
SIX YEARS after the end of WWII, the 22nd amendment established presidential term limits (1951).</p>
<p>Snidely implying that McCain&#8217;s military service was that he got shot down shows even more just how deeply pathetic your knowledge of history is.</p>
<p>Nobody is saying Obama&#8217;s lack of military experience disqualifies him.  It&#8217;s the fact that he, like FDR, who was as socialist as they come, would nearly bring unemployment rates back up to the 10% or so they were with FDR, promises to redistribute wealth from earners to non-earners, promises to slash our military, promises to kowtow to terrorist leaders, that fact that he is friends with people who have bombed government buildings and expressed no remorse and has as a spiritual leader someone who hates this country&#8230;that is of course until it becomes politically expedient to ditch him.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2008/08/19/obama-to-mccain-dont-question-my-patriotism/#comment-370857</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line: A higher percentage of American presidents have been assassinated while serving in office (4 of 43 — Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy) than died while in military service for America during any war. Simply being a serious contender for president provides an indication of an extreme form of patriotism to America. It is an extraordinarily dangerous job.

- Posted by Thoren 


Really?  No presidents have died in military service before or after serving as the president?  What are the odds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line: A higher percentage of American presidents have been assassinated while serving in office (4 of 43 — Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy) than died while in military service for America during any war. Simply being a serious contender for president provides an indication of an extreme form of patriotism to America. It is an extraordinarily dangerous job.</p>
<p>- Posted by Thoren </p>
<p>Really?  No presidents have died in military service before or after serving as the president?  What are the odds?</p>
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		<title>By: matteu</title>
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		<dc:creator>matteu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how could being american have an intrinsic value? what does tie a blue-collar worker to an industrial tycoon? if anyone were to answer that they could have their love for the country in common, the question remains what the intrinsic value of it would be? does love for the country imply they love each other? I posit it doesn't. so what do they love, what do they have in common that betters their lives? the hills, mountains, forests, lakes, cities? the social security systems and hierarchies that separated them in the first place? well, that is just there. but mountain ridges or hiking through the countryside do not diminish social inequality and the man-made societies ARE the manifestation of the very inequalities to be resolved.   that is achieved through social interaction of which patriotism is merely an abstract and marginal element. its value cannot be intrinsic so long as it doesn't mean a collective achievement everyone has participated in and that results in harmony. Obviously, patriotism has not effected it. on the contrary, it is already shared, but has shown no effect in concerting harmonic living (except uniting nations behing war cries). its value, therefore, is quite the opposite of an intrinsic one. if taken as intrinsically valuable, and thus as a prerequisite to doing good, it sedates the critical mind and supresses conflict without solving it. that makes it a most unhealthy remedy. it becomes a drug one resorts to instead of facing the real world. patriotism is but a sedative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how could being american have an intrinsic value? what does tie a blue-collar worker to an industrial tycoon? if anyone were to answer that they could have their love for the country in common, the question remains what the intrinsic value of it would be? does love for the country imply they love each other? I posit it doesn&#8217;t. so what do they love, what do they have in common that betters their lives? the hills, mountains, forests, lakes, cities? the social security systems and hierarchies that separated them in the first place? well, that is just there. but mountain ridges or hiking through the countryside do not diminish social inequality and the man-made societies ARE the manifestation of the very inequalities to be resolved.   that is achieved through social interaction of which patriotism is merely an abstract and marginal element. its value cannot be intrinsic so long as it doesn&#8217;t mean a collective achievement everyone has participated in and that results in harmony. Obviously, patriotism has not effected it. on the contrary, it is already shared, but has shown no effect in concerting harmonic living (except uniting nations behing war cries). its value, therefore, is quite the opposite of an intrinsic one. if taken as intrinsically valuable, and thus as a prerequisite to doing good, it sedates the critical mind and supresses conflict without solving it. that makes it a most unhealthy remedy. it becomes a drug one resorts to instead of facing the real world. patriotism is but a sedative.</p>
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		<title>By: matteu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2008/08/19/obama-to-mccain-dont-question-my-patriotism/#comment-370855</link>
		<dc:creator>matteu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find it a most backward and antiquated sort of discussion to question anyone's patriotism. As any country is flawed, not to be patriotic suggests a clear view of the actual problems. it testifies to a certain sharpness of judgement. first of all, such accuracy of observation makes unocnditional love impossible. Secondly, you would definitely want a nation's most powerful figure to possess accurate judgement, as unconditional love could only lead him to conclude that everything should stay the same. 
the times when speaking honestly and reasonably (and thus not being uncritically patriotic)would be discrediting should have long since passed. 
patriots just pose a panicky, mediocre, dull flock of sheep. how could a patriotic leader, himself a sheep, shepherd it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find it a most backward and antiquated sort of discussion to question anyone&#8217;s patriotism. As any country is flawed, not to be patriotic suggests a clear view of the actual problems. it testifies to a certain sharpness of judgement. first of all, such accuracy of observation makes unocnditional love impossible. Secondly, you would definitely want a nation&#8217;s most powerful figure to possess accurate judgement, as unconditional love could only lead him to conclude that everything should stay the same.<br />
the times when speaking honestly and reasonably (and thus not being uncritically patriotic)would be discrediting should have long since passed.<br />
patriots just pose a panicky, mediocre, dull flock of sheep. how could a patriotic leader, himself a sheep, shepherd it?</p>
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		<title>By: mike terrace</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike terrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White america does not question the patriotism of african-americans.They question the patriotism of obama because of the things he has said and the questionable people he aligns himself with.The fact that he is black has nothing to do with it.But anytime someone questions obama it turns into a race issue.As soon as obama uses the race card, and he will, it will be over for him.America is tired of the race card being used as a defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White america does not question the patriotism of african-americans.They question the patriotism of obama because of the things he has said and the questionable people he aligns himself with.The fact that he is black has nothing to do with it.But anytime someone questions obama it turns into a race issue.As soon as obama uses the race card, and he will, it will be over for him.America is tired of the race card being used as a defense.</p>
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		<title>By: karlthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beto

It is interesting you match Bertrand Russell to a subject concerning Obama.  

Bertrand desired using nuclear weapons to force all sovereign nations into one global empire so as to affect a singular socialist governing body.  When this idea failed, he adopted the idea of wide scale genocide to reduce the population of the earth, also to more easily affect a control over the citizens of independent nations.  As this is strikingly in contrast to the harmony amongst all living creatures that he also preached, I find it quite interesting that a man willing to cause destruction to affect what he believed to be harmony(a socialist empire) would be acquainted with a quote that speaks of dying for a cause and the subsequent triviality of said death.  A man willing to go to extremes for something he believed in.  This man was full of contradictions.  His life and works are a testament to his eloquence of word and his obviously deep and progressive thought.  Interesting enough, Obama's public persona stresses a similar eloquence with an equally contradictory notion of reality. 

Barack's objective to "fix" the country is based on a doctrine so starkly divergent from the principles that this country was founded and has prospered on, that it is no surprise in an era and generation based on material possessions, desire of wealth, dissatisfaction with social standing, increasingly lethargic lifestyles, and an ever increasing attitude to blame personal weakness on anyone or anything other than oneself, that a leader offering a government fix to personal problems can be heralded as the messenger of change.  A messenger offering a collection of indoctrinated liberal and socialist principles believes that further incentives to blame the government, the corporations, and capitalism are the answer.  Barack's ability to champion over the claimed setbacks and hardships in his personal life and his continued ambitions is so absolutely in contradiction to his mantra of capitalism being an evil and upper class  sensative system, that there is nothing this man can say that will convince me that his thoughts and dreams for America are based on a desire for continued American properity or that his ambitions are grounded in reality.  Without a sense of what is a positive path of continued freedoms and properity in America coupled with a desire to affect a path for which America will follow if the man is to be elected, there is no way to conclude that the man is patriotic.  

To desire a path for America starkly divergent with tha of the founding father's is not only unpatriotic but is so completely irreverent to the citizens of America that there is no doubt in my mind you will be subject to reality on November 4th.  Patriotism is the largest voting block in America.  Your opposition to America's kfounding principles has lost you this group's vote.  

Texas, one of America's most patriotic states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beto</p>
<p>It is interesting you match Bertrand Russell to a subject concerning Obama.  </p>
<p>Bertrand desired using nuclear weapons to force all sovereign nations into one global empire so as to affect a singular socialist governing body.  When this idea failed, he adopted the idea of wide scale genocide to reduce the population of the earth, also to more easily affect a control over the citizens of independent nations.  As this is strikingly in contrast to the harmony amongst all living creatures that he also preached, I find it quite interesting that a man willing to cause destruction to affect what he believed to be harmony(a socialist empire) would be acquainted with a quote that speaks of dying for a cause and the subsequent triviality of said death.  A man willing to go to extremes for something he believed in.  This man was full of contradictions.  His life and works are a testament to his eloquence of word and his obviously deep and progressive thought.  Interesting enough, Obama&#8217;s public persona stresses a similar eloquence with an equally contradictory notion of reality. </p>
<p>Barack&#8217;s objective to &#8220;fix&#8221; the country is based on a doctrine so starkly divergent from the principles that this country was founded and has prospered on, that it is no surprise in an era and generation based on material possessions, desire of wealth, dissatisfaction with social standing, increasingly lethargic lifestyles, and an ever increasing attitude to blame personal weakness on anyone or anything other than oneself, that a leader offering a government fix to personal problems can be heralded as the messenger of change.  A messenger offering a collection of indoctrinated liberal and socialist principles believes that further incentives to blame the government, the corporations, and capitalism are the answer.  Barack&#8217;s ability to champion over the claimed setbacks and hardships in his personal life and his continued ambitions is so absolutely in contradiction to his mantra of capitalism being an evil and upper class  sensative system, that there is nothing this man can say that will convince me that his thoughts and dreams for America are based on a desire for continued American properity or that his ambitions are grounded in reality.  Without a sense of what is a positive path of continued freedoms and properity in America coupled with a desire to affect a path for which America will follow if the man is to be elected, there is no way to conclude that the man is patriotic.  </p>
<p>To desire a path for America starkly divergent with tha of the founding father&#8217;s is not only unpatriotic but is so completely irreverent to the citizens of America that there is no doubt in my mind you will be subject to reality on November 4th.  Patriotism is the largest voting block in America.  Your opposition to America&#8217;s kfounding principles has lost you this group&#8217;s vote.  </p>
<p>Texas, one of America&#8217;s most patriotic states.</p>
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		<title>By: jojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is Mcane only vetran in america the way people talk and macane talk he is the only vetran in USA. Now he is using it like a currency to buy peoples ear and status because he is the rich family and got fevourable national stage he shuldn't forget there are many vetrans who didn't cash in based on their story now time to stop using it like a currency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is Mcane only vetran in america the way people talk and macane talk he is the only vetran in USA. Now he is using it like a currency to buy peoples ear and status because he is the rich family and got fevourable national stage he shuldn&#8217;t forget there are many vetrans who didn&#8217;t cash in based on their story now time to stop using it like a currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Arkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Arkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I am sick and tired of white America continually questioning the patriotism of African-Americans. Is this questioning another way of asking African-Americans how do you remain loyal to this country after we a)brought you over in slavery; b) continually discriminated against you; c) served as an early example for the cheap labor now that the power-elite can no longer have it free? I could possibly go on, but why bother. Service in Armed Forces in this day is voluntary. Because you don't volunteer does not make you unpatriotic. John McCain's support for going to war against Iraq proves an inability to way facts and being gullible. His decision has bogged the Nation down in a two-front war fought by National Guardsmen who clearly should be here in the States. What this country needs is a return is the DRAFT. It should include me and women. 

John McCain is a hero because he was able to physically survive being a prisoner of war. That unfortunate status does not necessarily make him a leader. McCain is a follower. His career in the Navy proves and he had a lot of high-ranking help along the way.

John McCain's education is no more elitist than Barack Obama's. John McCain had leg up at the Naval Academy whether he wants to admit it or not. Barack Obama had better produce good grades because there was no parent or grandparent to get him in the University's legacy program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I am sick and tired of white America continually questioning the patriotism of African-Americans. Is this questioning another way of asking African-Americans how do you remain loyal to this country after we a)brought you over in slavery; b) continually discriminated against you; c) served as an early example for the cheap labor now that the power-elite can no longer have it free? I could possibly go on, but why bother. Service in Armed Forces in this day is voluntary. Because you don&#8217;t volunteer does not make you unpatriotic. John McCain&#8217;s support for going to war against Iraq proves an inability to way facts and being gullible. His decision has bogged the Nation down in a two-front war fought by National Guardsmen who clearly should be here in the States. What this country needs is a return is the DRAFT. It should include me and women. </p>
<p>John McCain is a hero because he was able to physically survive being a prisoner of war. That unfortunate status does not necessarily make him a leader. McCain is a follower. His career in the Navy proves and he had a lot of high-ranking help along the way.</p>
<p>John McCain&#8217;s education is no more elitist than Barack Obama&#8217;s. John McCain had leg up at the Naval Academy whether he wants to admit it or not. Barack Obama had better produce good grades because there was no parent or grandparent to get him in the University&#8217;s legacy program.</p>
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		<title>By: questionist</title>
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		<dc:creator>questionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he obviousely hates this country so much that he is running for president of it so he can drive it into the ground because he is that smart and treacherouse. duh! (sarcasm)

i agree with "dianne".  both canididates are ambitiouse american polititians after all, they might genuinely care about their country when crisis comes but most of the rest of the times, they are just serving self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he obviousely hates this country so much that he is running for president of it so he can drive it into the ground because he is that smart and treacherouse. duh! (sarcasm)</p>
<p>i agree with &#8220;dianne&#8221;.  both canididates are ambitiouse american polititians after all, they might genuinely care about their country when crisis comes but most of the rest of the times, they are just serving self.</p>
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