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19:08 August 20th, 2008

Obama: Russia, U.S. should not ‘charge into’ other countries

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LYNCHBURG, Virginia - Democrat Barack Obama scolded Russia again on Wednesday for invading another country’s sovereign territory while adding a new twist: the United States, he said, should set a better example on that front, too.

The Illinois senator’s opposition to the Iraq war, which his comment clearly referenced, is well known. But this was the first time the Democratic presidential candidate has made a comparison between the U.S. invasion of Iraq and Russia’s recent military activity in Georgia.

“We’ve got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies,” Obama told a crowd of supporters in Virginia. “They can’t charge into other countries. Of course it helps if we are leading by example on that point.”

Foreign policy has become a dividing line in the race for the White House.

Obama favors a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq over 16 months, while John McCain, his Republican rival for president, opposes a timeline and says U.S. forces must stay to finish and win the war.

McCain, an Arizona senator, sought to highlight his foreign policy credentials during the Russia-Georgia crisis last week, giving a series of harsh statements directed at Moscow soon after the conflict began.

Obama, who was on vacation in Hawaii, followed suit with statements that became sharper over time.

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62 comments so far

Mr. Obama is completely out of line in comparing the US involvement in other countries, such as Iraq to the Russian invasion of Georgia. Our country went after mass murderers/war criminals such as Milosevits and Saddam Husein… This can not possibly be compared to the Russians going after the democratic governement of Georgia, its people, and its democratically elected President. We all know why the Russians attacked Georgia - they want to control the oil and gas pipelines in a country that has declared its alliance with the US and its desire to join NATO. Mr. Obama, by this statement shows for one more time his lack of knowledge of World history (we shed too much blood already in Europe to allow Russia to bully us today), his lack of understanding the Russian questionable motives, and his lack of judgement in matters of National Security and Defence. For one more time we have to hear his rhetoric which I find very “unpatriotic” given the current crisis in Georgia (a staunch ally of the US) while much of Europe has not once made the comparison of what the US does in other countries with what Russia did to Georgia. Not even countries who have opposed the war in Iraq came out criticizing the US or even comparing what the US did in Iraq to what Russia did to Georgia. Mr. Obama is totally inept when it comes to foreign policy. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out when listening to his “grandiose” statements and endless “rhetoric”.

- Posted by Natasha

Anyone who thinks Obama’s comments are valid on this is as clueless as he is. We went into Iraq with a coalition of other countries after over a dozen UN Resolutions were ignored and defied by a known terrorist. How does that compare to Russia invading Georgia? Obama is so clueless it scares me to death… we could elect a roulette wheel or a ‘pin the tail on the donkey’ game and get better decisions. By the way his VP hasn’t been named yet because when asked to pick, he keeps voting ‘present’….

- Posted by russ

Why are all you libs so quick to BLAME the US and try to make what Russia did equivalent to the US liberating Irag. And also, why aren’t there any “blood for oil” cries coming from you libs? You surely love that phrase when it comes to the US and the so-called “big oil”.

- Posted by Tom

Georgia invaded territories which seek autonomy, Russia then proceeded to invade Georgia to remove Georgia from the autonomous territories. Do you neocons not recall what the U.S. did when Iraq invaded Kuwait?

The U.S. and Russia are fighting over Georgia and looking towards Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan because of an oil pipeline. Both are greedy monsters who benefit from an extremely uninformed population. Georgia and the other two former Soviet nations are not exactly shining examples of Democracy either. Instead of taking everything FOX5 tells you so “matter of factly” how about some research?
Like for example the fact that the U.S. supported a military coup in Georgia back in 2005…

- Posted by dscprlnt

“Republicans: WRONG about Vietnam
- Posted by OH”

Typical liberal who doesn’t know history. We went into Vietnam during a Democrat administration and got out during a Republican one.

- Posted by ElGoodo

It’s amazing people follow this man. His lack of experience shows, and I have to question his judgment and patriotism. Does a day go by where he does not take a jab at his own country?

- Posted by AginstObama

Obama is obviously does not have the necessary reasoning abilities to lead this country.

If he cannot even disern the difference between the LEGAL invasion of Iraq, and under the conditions it was invaded, and the Russians going into Georgia…THAT IS SCARY!!!

Obama seems to have a pattern of flawed logic. He surrounds himself with radicals and terrorists. He sees no problem associating with former unrepented BOMBERS, and scam artists, and racist who he calls his “mentor”.

It is obvious that Obama has a “screw” loose somewhere and I suppose that is why he was recently called “the most dangerous candidate ever for US presidency”. And who called him this? A former critic of GW Bush and author.

Obama is Dangerous, and I would go further to question his loyalty to this country.

Obama should run for the UN as a citizen of the world, and leave a patriot to run for this presidency…someone who loves this country….and even HILLARY would pass that test!

- Posted by Mike

The big difference here that Mr. Obama likes to obfuscate is that there is actually a UN resolution authorizing force in Iraq. It’s in effect until Jan. 1, 2009. But what’s a UN resolution anyway?

- Posted by Ken

from PL: So our “charging into” Iraq–with dozens of allies, supported by a U.N. resolution, as a last resort after six months of build-up and negotiations, to unseat one of the cruelest dictators of modern times who had twice invaded neighboring states, was in violation of more than a dozen U.N. resolutions and was responsible for the deaths of two million people, who was shooting at American aircraft and had tried to assassinate a former President of the United States, in Obama’s childish mind, was just like Russia’s “charging into” Georgia, which resembles Saddam’s Iraq in no respect. And, of course, we invaded a horrifying charnel-house so as to establish a democracy, whereas Russia invaded a peaceful democracy that it wants to re-incorporate into its empire.

- Posted by Gaffedetector

MORAL EQUIVALENCE. O.K. LIBS, SAY IT: MORAL EQUIVALENCE.
I don’t know what astounds me more: the fact that Obama does not understand the difference between two totally different situations, as set out by other posters here, or the many comments by knuckleheads who don’t see any difference. The conspiracy theories are also beyond the pale. So, who rescues the Georgians? If we wait for the “world community” the Georgians will all die. Should we wait until the Russians invade Poland or even nuke them? What excuses for Russia will the left make up then? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!

- Posted by deAne

Obama has once again demonstrated that he is willing to cast aspersions upon the United States in order to pander to his leftist base (and those in the World that hate America) in order to further his personal ambition. There are only two possibilities - either he knows the comparison is absurd, but voices it for purely political reasons, or he is actually this stupid.

- Posted by Ted

Saddams regime was tyrannical, despotic, murderous and bloodthirsty, and he was a real threat to others in the region and to America in the long run. He had violated 17 UN mandates.

Georgia’s regime was fully democratic and transparent, a result of free and fair elections, and they were trying to build a nation out of the rubbish left over from the former Soviet Union, another tyrannical despotic ruler.

So Obama thinks what we did in Iraq is the same as what Russia has done to Georgia?

Iraq is becoming MORE democratic because of what we did, and Georgia will LOSE its democracy because of Russia.

Barack Hussein Obama is one sick twisted dude.

- Posted by DAve

Saddam Hussein…country of Georgia are equals? Only to the morally depraved left.

- Posted by rotgut

Ahh yes, the blame America candidate the left and America’s enemies have been dreaming of. Who the hell are you people voting for this guy?

- Posted by rotgut

Like most Americans I am waiting to make up my mind as to vote. Many Europeans can delude themselves with anti-American bashing & hate for GWB (since so many are think the educated cannot possibly doubt the wrongness & failure of American policies > I have multiple post-graduate professional degrees with various state professional licenses). I travel often & extensively for int’l biz travel & must listen diplomatically to frequent tirades as US is viciously run down using GWB as pretext - way more in Europe than Asia or even Middle East (where there is surprisingly discrete support)). Ironically, Europe’s entire collective security is funded by roughly 10% of Americans who pay nearly 70% of federal taxes of which bulk of little actual discretionary spending (rest is welfare entitlements which consume bulk of federal budget which no American President can really impact without major congressional support) is for the US Defense Dept which protects them. The US Marine Corps is larger than the British Army - maybe entire UK defense force. Only Poland, with each passing year of modernization and increasing professionalism, has a legitimate defense force for its size. Where is Germany (understand the budget stress of cushions for EGermans under reunification) or the rest of Europe? Maybe former Chancellor Schroeder who blames little Georgia will donate some of Gazprom’s compensation to his as Putin;s stooge to help the tragis Georgians - oh that
’s right, its the bully Pres. of Georgia who is to blame - how convenient. Schroeder’s worse than Galloway because it is so more crass & insidious. Where are Europe’s defense forces which you refuse to fund or modernize yet you regularly and immaturely rip apart America who defends you? Yet so many Americans think it is cool & sophisticated to identify with ‘trendy’ more ‘advanced’ European political thought that is quite far left from traditional American norms. But in their infatuation these Americans cannot distinguish from this historical & normative difference. So many hyper-liberal/’progressive’ Democrats fall into this pseudo-intellectual trap. That is the potentially fatal flaw in the US political mix tis year which most Europeans cannot see because they stiilll rely for news on their biased media fitlers - journalists. A good part of the traditional Democratic party has sold its soul to the anti-war & anti-American left for funding, energy and to retake Congress that it might backfire on them. That is why these comments and moral equivalency by Pres. Obama are so stunningly stupid yet revealing.

Point: to equate Rof Georgia and Iraq/Afghanistan is the height of moral relativisn. These utterances comes from the same who tout the UN as a global solution yet Saddam corrupted it blatantly and this even-then corrupted UN still managed to issue many UN Security Resolutions - what 17 of them - all signed by PRChina & Russia which sent coalition forces into those countries - versus blatant thuggery & intimidation by Mob Putin? Talk about delusional; this i quite black & white - even for those who love to immerse themselves in ‘nuance’. Blatant in your face predatory intimidating conduct with a tiny pushover neighbor has to get tied to anti-America/GWB bashing. Typical

Thank you already pronounced President Obama for telling us how you realy view Russia & Rof Georgia tragedy - through a prism of ant-GWB moral relativism. Putin has your measure just like Kremlin had measure of Jimmy Carter when they invaded Afghanistan in late 70s - and Jimmy felt so bad that his trust in kremlin was violated - which leads all of us to 35+ years of tragedy in Central Asia and for the poor Afghan people. Now Barack throws RofGeorgia over the side to equate it to his anti-Iraq/GWB views. This is too obvious & stupid a comment by Pres Obama to even waste more words addressing. And it is supremely terrifying that so many - even in defenseless 40% socialistic Europe (there is little socialism in the USA except for some wannabes in the Democratic party- which increasingly look like the wing that Pres Obama is coming from) - agree with it wholeheartedly. God help all of us. Maybe this is the Sudentenland because Putin will see this ridiculous self-abuse or blame of GWB as license to act even more boldly …. yet Pres Obama says we/GWB brought it on …. unbelievable. And those of us who see what really may be starting to happen will have to shed our blood and our childrens’ blood to save/defend all the idiots out there.

- Posted by Reaction To Closed Minds

Right, because the U.S. wasn’t justified at all in taking out a dictatorship murdering…scratch that…butchering hundreds of thousands of people. Oh and the U.S. never tried diplomacy huh, oh wait they did. I’m sorry, you are just an ignorant fool and you are making our country look like we should apologize for doing something right. What we did wasn’t wrong, never was, and never will be. This is sad, I liked Obama better when he was slinging mud only at McCain, and not at his own country. This is how it starts, we have a new Neville Chaimberlain. He’d rather the U.S. be a sacrificial lamb. I’m so upset by this, I can’t believe he would compare the two. The U.S. pushed the UN for a decade to do something about Iraq, and they fumbled it, just like they fumble everything. The U.S. exhausted every diplomatic possibility before going into Iraq, but you can’t be diplomatic with a country that lies to your face. No good deed goes unpunished as they say.

- Posted by Shawn

Republicans: WRONG about Vietnam

- Posted by OH

Great work Obama - a proper attack is a two-step process, the 2nd step is: do not apologize for the attack.

- Posted by OH

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