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August 8th, 2008

Was South Ossetia’s fate sealed in Kosovo?

Posted by: Giles Elgood
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south-ossetia.jpgIs Kosovo to blame for the fighting in South Ossetia?

When the Serbian province seceded from Belgrade in February, South Ossetia was quick to reassert its own claim to international recognition.

As a spokeswoman for separatist leader Eduard Kokoity told Reuters at the time: “The Kosovo precedent has driven us to more actively seek our rights.”

Those remarks will not have gone unheard in Tblisi and could well have added some urgency to Georgia’s desire to impose its rule over breakaway South Ossetia.

With widespread Western backing, Kosovo was able to achieve a fairly clean break with its former ruler, despite Russian objections.

Now Moscow is backing the separatists and it’s far from clear how things will play out this time.
 

58 comments so far

Giles, in your report of “Under-fire Saakashvili defends Georgia war” you “But at the time, there was no public statement from the Georgian leadership that Russian forces were invading. The shelling of Tskhinvali after a ceasefire of several hours and the subsequent ground assault was justified as a response to rebel shelling of Georgian villages.”
What story have you been following?
Please see Saakashvili’s interviews that he gave to international media (CNN, BBC) immediately following the start of the conflict. He clearly says that he decided to mobilize the troops AFTER he got intelligence of Russian troops crossing the border. Please, revise the article at once.

- Posted by Zee

[...] who had never paid attention to either region before, as this Reuters blog post would suggest: Was South Ossetia’s fate sealed in Kosovo? …When the Serbian province seceded from Belgrade in February, South Ossetia was quick to reassert [...]

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To Russian

The Russian government still used very extreme measures not only in support of S. Ossetia, but revised its goal to continue to intimidate Georgia through its continued presence on Georgia’s soil outside S. Ossetia. Russia did not bring this whole situation to the UN before it acted. At least the US acts in concert with UN authority or after it has exhausted its efforts to resolve an utilizing the UN. Comparison on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being the least warning and 10 the most. U.S. gives 7-10 while Russia gives 2-4.
In the 1980s, I admired the USSR as a worthy potential adversary, and recently Russia as a powerful growing democracy. Now, the way Putin has returned to the old ways of succession depriving the Russian people of true representation just makes me angry. Russian freedom in the press has disintegrated and intimidation of opposing views are less and less tolerated. Putin’s response to dissent both internal and external has turned from dialog to intimidation much like its Mafia which most probably has inserted itself into the Russian politic.
All countries time on earth ebb and flow. Their greatness is not solely determined on their physical strength, but on how they treat both their citizens and other nations. In retrospect, none have been or are perfect, but its the degree and consistency with which they apply these factors that determines their ultimate greatness.
Nations such as China, European Union, Russia and the US should work together for global stability and ensure that complete human rights are protected in every corner of the earth. Doing so will prevent these very governments from having to fear dissent.

- Posted by michael

It’s good to see that most of you finally are changing your mind about this crisis as time goes by. In the beginning western news chanells showed the story as they wanted to see it. On the 8th they have only one story: Russians invaded Georgia. Now they show poor people in Gori (which is not destroyed, were russians helped to keep the order and from which georgian officials ran away). Why don\’t they show pictures from Osetia? Why don’t they talk to osetia and abhazian people? Why don’t you listen to another party?
Were is the so called \”western\” democracy? Stop listen to the US leaders! THINK YOURSELF!!

- Posted by Russian

To Et
Grow up both sides would be bloodied beyond recognition. I.E. Russia and U.S. Do you want this over vanity and pride?

- Posted by michael

Re: S. Ossetia

S. Ossetia has the right to be independent if it so chooses.
This would apply to any state in the United States if it so chose. The problem is that Georgia, Russia, and the U.S. all have different motives for their positions regarding S. Ossetia. Other than that I see the current track Russia is taking as one of an imature child. They are willing to kill and have their soldiers killed over pride. I.E. their desire to be a primary player on the world stage. They would have this if they developed theirselves as an economic powerhouse as China is doing.

- Posted by michael

Serbia was bombed 78 days by NATO states, even center of Belgrade, far away from war zone in order to save Albanians on Kosovo. 2,500 Serb died in bombings. Kosovo was cut off from Serbia after 1000 years. Now, when Russia is bombing Georgia in order to safe Ossetian people, western media repeats that this is crime, attack on democratic country…. Serb will wait the final resolution of Russian-Georgian problem and learn lesson. Serb will not forget Kosovo.

- Posted by Dex

Kosovo is similar to Georgia but, North Mitrovica is similar to South Ossetia.
As the United States Institute for Peace says, “No solution for Kosovo can last without a solution for Mitrovica.”

- Posted by Saratov

If the US is that powerful, let them send troops to save freedom loving Georgia against Russia. The EU and US know , on Russia turf, they will be crushed. Therefore, no one dares talking military actions. Russia picks up first victory since the end of the cold war. A powerful message is sent to France, Britain and of course US.

- Posted by Et

Everyone is talking of Georgia being a sovereign country that is correct, Serbia is a sovereign country and the UN and USA supported the breakaway of Kosovo, therefore South Ossetia and any other province should have the right to breakaway. George Bush stop being a hypocrit and stop the double standards. What applies to one applies to all. America wants to be the world watch dog let Russia be the watch dog in the caucuses, the world needs two superpowers to keep the balance. I support the Russian comeback!

- Posted by teejay

Viva Independent Republika Srpska!

- Posted by Nick

[...] Elgood wrote a post titled “Was South Ossetia’s fate sealed in Kosovo?” in which he wondered: Is Kosovo to blame for the fighting in South Ossetia? When the Serbian province seceded from [...]

- Posted by Global Voices Online » South Ossetia: Did Kosovo set a precedent?

[...] provide “a pretext for Russian action against American allies,” specifically in the Caucasus. And so it did, with Vladimir Putin retaliating for Kosovar independence by setting in motion the events that led [...]

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- Posted by Polaris

All that “hyper super isteria” in US really powerfull level of guys (and closed to them servants) has very simple reason. During all 90th they were very sure that the world is belongs to them, and friendly speaking, were too close to the truth. Times changed… They just start to handle somehow with the fact that China ALREADY on the nearly same level of power like US, and shows the further growth. And now they faced the “nightmare form the past” - Russia…Hey, guys, world become too difficult for your mind, isn’t it?

- Posted by Alex

It has nothing at all to with how big Kosovo is, and how small South Ossetia. The fact is the territorial integrity of a country, namely Serbia, was violated causing an extremely dangerous precedent. Therefore, stop comparing the size of each! It has nothing to do with the precedent set in motion by the US and the EU. Same facts so get over it!! The US can’t say Kosovo is a unique case this just doesn’t sit with separatist aspirations.

The Americans HAVE opened the Pandora’s Box through their ignorance - serves them right!! Furthermore, it’s good to see the western powers stating that the territorial integrity of Georgia must be respected! What about the territorial integrity of Serbia??!! Disgusting hypocrites!! Just remember US, Russia is not Iraq or Serbia, the US can’t even control a bunch of insurgents, and they want give Russia a warning?? Give me a break! Get over it America you’ve caused this mess once again!!

It’s obvious that McCain hates the Russians – the Russians are just getting ready.

- Posted by Mark

The count of Tskhinvali civilians killed by Georgian bombardment and ethnical cleansing that began on Friday the 8th of August is now 2000. Obviously this figure is not final as efforts are now chiefly concentrated on saving those who are still alive and remain under the rubble of houses.
Russian introduced new forces in South Ossetia on the 9th of August (the next day) to stop the complete assassination of the South Ossetian people in Tskhinvali, after Georgian forces broke through the demarcation line established in 1992. Presently, the city is in ruins and desperate efforts are being made by Russia to accommodate and offer medical assistance to the civilian population of South Ossetia. 34 thousand residents of South Ossetia have fled to North Ossetia (Russian Territory) to find refugee from the acridities that they had faced during the recent days. Stories of South Ossetian eye witnesses are horrendous revealing numerous cases of overt slaughter of children, women, aged and disabled seeking shelter in underground basement of houses into which Georgian soldiers threw hand grenades. The basements of houses were the only shelter from the incessant shelling of residential districts by heavy mortar and rocket fire.
The military infrastructure of Georgia was attacked by Russian aircraft following Georgia’s use of aircraft, heavy artillery, and rocket units in its destruction of Tskhinvali. Russian troops crossed the border of South Ossetia on the 9th of August to enforce its peacekeeping contingent following the assassination of 12 of its peacekeepers and the remorseless destruction of civilian population in Tskhinvali that began a day before. Russian forces now proceed to extrude all Georgian military forces beyond the demarcation line established in 1992. No bombing of Georgian cities as claimed by Georgian news reports and strongly supported by the western media have taken place other than the areas containing Georgian military infrastructure in which case some unavoidable damage has occurred to civilian buildings.
Russia has announced that it will address The Hague court as Georgia’s action abrogated international law. The murder of thousands of South Ossetians “citizen of Georgia” is nothing other than pure ethnical cleansing and was intended to drive the people of South Ossetia off its territory and deprive it of any signs of Ossetians. Georgia for Georgians was the motto of the former Georgian president Gamsakhudi that began the slaughter in 1992 and it remains the slogan of Saakashvili today.

Regretfully, lop sided information is reaching the western world claiming Russian troops are attacking Georgia. Little or no mention is made of why Russia introduced additional forces in South Ossetia. Russia’s peacekeeping contingent was twelve times outmatched in number and lacked any heavy weapon systems compared to the well prepared intruding Georgian military forces. The limited contingents of Russian peacekeepers was not capable of stopping the massacre of civilians in Tskhinvali nor protect its own limited contingent that was attacked by a squall of rocket blasts in the first minutes of the attack.
127 US military instructors engaged in the training of Georgian military contingent, prier to the beginning of the onslaught on South Ossetia, are now speedily leaving the country. Georgia has increased its military expenditures in the recent years by 30 times mainly assisted by gratuitous US support.

The heated polemics supporting Georgia’s becoming a member of NATO have received a clear answer. Russia will never allow any maniac to terrify or murder the people of South Ossetia or Abkhazia and will do all to restore peace on these war torn territories. Just recently, the prime minister of Russia Mr. Putin has put forward a bid of 500 million US dollars to restore the dwellings, schools, kindergartens, hospitals and infrastructure of South Ossetia totally destroyed by the Georgian bombardment.
Presently, the aim of Russian troops is to impel Georgian military forces to return to the demarcation line established and approved by the UN and sign an agreement forbidding all use of weapons.
Georgians are limited in their information sources as opposing TV channels have been closed down and Russia internet sites providing their account of the happenings have been cut off.

- Posted by valentine

The Russian reaction seems similar to the way Israel invaded Lebanon on a minor provocation in 2006. Like the Israel attack it was planned in advance and the bombing targets have became economic as well as military. Also like the Israel attack it is carried out in summer at the height of the tourist season, and the US blocked a ceasefire so Israel could hit all their targets. I wonder if the Russians will dump many tons of cluster munitions before they leave?

- Posted by Chris Baker

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