Comments on: Dalai Lama in NY urges Americans to visit Tibet

By: James

James — Sun, 10 May 2009 02:59:54 +0000

Hello everyone,

Please go to China, including Tibet province, use you eyes to observe, use your ears to listen, then you will know whether Chinese people (including Tibetans) are suffering or not, whether we should support Dalai or not, whether we should buy Chinese goods or not.

By: Ngawang

Ngawang — Tue, 05 May 2009 17:04:23 +0000

tony,

just FYI, i am not anti-China, but anti CCP. There is a difference. i have high regards towards Chinese people, but i hate and oppose the Communist regime under which countless of people are suffering.

By: Toby

Toby — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:58:02 +0000

Billy Jack, you can’t be any more hypocritical. You yourself is occupying the land of an indigenous people. If Tibet and Xinjiang aren’t part of China by your logic, the country Canada doesn’t exist. There is no reason for China to give up any of its territory unless the entire Western Hemisphere is vacated.

By: tony from china

tony from china — Tue, 05 May 2009 15:40:58 +0000

To Ngawang , what all your anti-china sentiment to do with the human right of Tibetans? Why tibet have to be split out from china for Tibetans to have human right? What’s human right you referred to? What’s the way to achieve this? You the professional demonstrators protest for nothing achievable, without meaningful targets, so you can protest forever and get a life long career, congratulations!

By: tony from china

tony from china — Tue, 05 May 2009 15:31:15 +0000

I always wonder how the exile Tibetans make living, they do not produce any thing, they do not do any meaningful business, they even do not herd, Everyone of them seems to be a professional demonstrator, then who feed them, who gave them the money to travel all over the world to protest?I think that’s the reason why they do anti-china protest restless, because they paid for that!! what a shame!

By: Ngawang

Ngawang — Tue, 05 May 2009 14:35:22 +0000

To JC,

How can it be an ‘internal issue’ when we are not a family in the first place?

Why people are suppressed and tortured for expressing their genuine opinion which is basic human rights? Is this what you call ‘Socialism’????

The world agrees with China that China has brought lot of material changes in Tibet since its occupation, but what about the miseries and deaths it has brought along?

If the freedom of expression is a crime, then the constitution of that country is not a constitution but a mere testament of criminology.

The word ‘China’ as now become a synonym of ‘Lie’ as world has witnessed tons of those just during the Olympics alone. Not to mention that ‘Melamine’ scandal.

If you accuse me of justifying Tibet as ‘White’ and the rest as ‘Black’, what about your judgment toward the world’s journalists? Why are you in the pretext of mere assumption that the news coverage about Tibet would be biased and against the CCP if the world media is allowed to travel into Tibet? The perfect example of ‘Bias news coverage’ would be your official mouthpiece ‘Xinhua’ which ONLY shows China as a colorful and prosperous nation, when millions and millions are suffering due to the corruptions within your own government. Have you ever read any news in ‘Xinhua’ and ‘China Daily’ about the miseries of the Chinese people? I am sorry to say that billions of Chinese only knows what the CCP portrays as they don’t have access to the world media.

And just FYI… your own Jackie Chain recently retreated the CCP’s official line by saying Chinese needs to be controlled as they don’t know what freedom means……

By: Billy Jack Douthwright, Montreal, Canada

Billy Jack Douthwright, Montreal, Canada — Tue, 05 May 2009 03:28:01 +0000

I agree entirely that it makes sense for the international community, governments & grass roots peoples to concertedly undermine China’s rise through economic measures especially at this time– personally I’ve begun this this year, by taking care not to purchase anything from China as much as possible, which I’m glad to say is not actually all that difficult– until China, actually I mean more specifically the PRC leaves Tibet, and Xinxiang too. Economic measures may secondarily help the Chinese people themselves to achieve true freedom under their own definitions that accord with international standards for the rule of law & human rights for themselves at the same time.
But at the same time it does seem that we are all in together the catastrophe of environmental destruction, which China is already and will continue to suffer greatly from if we do not find ways to assist them through meaningful and pro-active co-operation to improve their lot in that most fundamental of issues, being as it is more consequential than only the question of humanity.
That’s what I really care about, & I have a question that has just occurred to me while becoming more aware of the plight of the Uighurs & other ethnic groups being swamped in their own countries– Yes, I no longer consider Tibetan or Uighur territory to be lawfully occupied by the PRC, I now only fully regard these territories as being rightfully under the sovereign stewardship of their original peoples, in spite of the ongoing illegal occupation by the PRC!–, so, my question is… if the PRC has had this ‘one child policy’ for well more than a generation now, then why are there so many millions of an apparently growing Han Chinese population, so much so that they are able to carry out their policy of overwhelming the indigenous populations of Tibet & Xinxiang & elsewhere? Should not the Han population have already been reduced by more than half by now? Anyway, just another elementary question to this that has become interesting.
Responding more directly to HH’s invitation ‘from exile’! for others to visit Tibet… … this is logical enough for what it is, as he requests that others visit to learn the truth of the situation, there, on the ground, from the people & to report the truth to the rest of the world though it feels like what is really needed & just perhaps is a part of what he was meaning intentionally by this invitation, that we need to pressure all our governments/leaders to go there & visit themselves, and not just to visit of course but to go there to learn the truth & stay if necessary in solidarity with Uighurs & Tibetans to be witness to supporting them while they truly liberate their countries.
On this point, and concerning Canada, which stands at least as good a chance as any other political entity to enact this, the Liberal Party of Canada held a convention this weekend past, & during the proceedings I took particular note of a calling statement by their former leader, the Honorable Stephan Dion– one of Canada’s best by the way– that it would make sense for Canadians to go to China to fight for human rights there as Canadians are fully protected by international law to do so… ,so, I basically would like Stephan to lead a delegation of Canadian politicians to do this… & we’ll see, won’t we!

By: tony from china

tony from china — Tue, 05 May 2009 02:43:05 +0000

JC, again, people in China do want freedom, the freedom to choose way of live, the freedom to challenge corrupted government officials, the freedom of expression, I think we are on the way the freedom even we are just off the start line. What annoy to us is that some people always use the word of Freedom to achieve his own agenda: you want freedom? Then you shoud support HH the dalai lama, then you should support his political agenda, and then you should support the splite of ¼ of the land of you country; of cause we do not support his agenda, then we have to trade freedom with that. Come on, Dalai lame is no equal to freedom, he is merely a spiritual leader, be spiritual please.

By: jc

jc — Tue, 05 May 2009 02:21:24 +0000

To Tony,

I agree with you on that. My main point was that, when people from outside talk about how much they care about Tibet, they should care about both their economy well being and political freedom.

So far most people from the west who claims that they care about Tibetans, and even a lot of Tibetans in exile community has shown very little interest on the economy situation for Tibetans. That is very troubling.

My view is China neither tries to dodge human right issue, nor tries intentionally to go against it. During the past few decades China not only made great progress economically, but also politically. Ordinary Chinese enjoys much more freedom nowadays than before. But just like China cannot afford the same level of living standard as the west, China cannot afford the same level of political freedom as well. So basically while great progresses are being made, China is still far from there. It takes time. These people believe all that is needed is a regime change and everything will just align into perfect order overnight are pure naive.

A lot of people who post at here, especially many in the exile community are only filled with hatred and they are not ready to listen or consider anybody else’s view. Those are no different than jihads in a way, and DL has more or less helped fanning the conflict directly or indirectly. I believe that will lead to nowhere. In that regard, I believe CCP’s approach is a more rational and pragmatic approach.

By: tony from china

tony from china — Tue, 05 May 2009 00:46:12 +0000

To John Robert
China has no contact with the west for decades, and the CCP did not collapse, so your suggestion is just crude measure to punish ordinary people both within China and in the west to support your political agenda. Shame on you.