Comments on: When is a coup not a coup? http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/ Beyond the World news headlines Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:09:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: BOBBY99 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-15576 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:27:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-15576 RE: HONDURAN CONSTITUTION
the citizens were not the ones requiring military force–only the Citizen Canes were.

The real citizens operate in daylight, with due process.

Only the oligarchy with gunmen have the Supreme Courts bank number–er–home phone number.

BOBBY99

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By: Michelle http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-10172 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:05:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-10172 Definitely this was not a coup!But it is true that the military were not supposed to fly Zelaya to another country, so that he would do what he is doing: turn himself into a victim by lying, and difamating any institution that didn´t agree to him. The military had to take him to jail or give him house arrest.
It just seems sureal that all the international authorities and newsmedia that we considered seriuos-turned out to be not so much.
Even when the U.S. state department considered this not to be a coup. check the Department of State’s webpage http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/j uly/126250.htm#honduras

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By: Tina May http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9961 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:36:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9961 This is not a coup. The military did not seize power. The opposition party did not seize power. The man in control had decided to stay in power longer than he was allowed to, according to the constitution and he tried to unilaterally change the constitution, and the court said what he was doing was illegal. The army did not kill him. Ballots were printed in his favor in Venezuela under Chavez and were being readied to be dispersed by him in Honduras. Obviously Chavez was manipulating for a take over in Honduras and the Hondurans stopped it. Good for them. Pity about President Obama. He hasn’t met a dictator(genocidal or otherwise) that he doesn’t like. Talk about showing respect for other nations, and not interfering. (grumblegrumblegrumble.)

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By: Ke Jac http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9685 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:06:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9685 Jonathon, you more than anybody I’ve read here, owe to youself to watch these videos about what Honduras people think about what happened last week.
Since I’m sure in your mind will dismiss those in the Tegucigalpa as marches by the elites, please be certain to watch #6, 7, 8 in playlist are from San Pedro Sula and #9, 10, 11 from Choluteca, and #12 is La Ceiba and #13 is commentary from there, and #19 has lots of photos from around the country (assuming nobody scrambles the # order of the playlist).
I hope you recognize how much world media has scripted the story to suit your desired appetite, and ignored showing what the people of Honduras really think about what happened and about how their Constitutional balance of powers functioned.
youtube dot com /SupportHonduras
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By: Jonathon http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9641 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:51:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9641 If Zelaya has broken the law, charge him, arrest him, and try him. When troops to break into his home and swoop him out of the country, this is obviously something different. Zelaya’s worst crime was to organize a referendum to give the people a voice in deciding the future of their nation. Changes in the constitution may have included extending term limits (gasp! what horror!) but they may have also included downgrading the power of the military and the oligarchy. While the power elites of Honduras have declared him unfit for office, Zelaya enjoys the support of most of the labor movement and countless popular organizations. The U.S. stand alone in the hemisphere, and practically the entire world, in not calling this what it is – a coup. And to suggest that supporting Zelaya’s constitutional right to serve out his term unless and until he is impeached in accordance with the rule of the law is U.S. meddling is a joke. The U.S. has meddled in the affairs of all of Central America for the entire last century: planning, organizing, and carrying out coups, insurgencies, massacres, civil wars, gutting economies, manipulating elections, buying out rulers, devastating populations and ecosystems. For once the U.S. finds itself on the right side of the controversy (almost…) and the right wing wants to condemn “interference” in another nation’s affairs. Hypocrisy knows no bounds…

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By: Linda http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9636 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:51:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9636 We’re getting conflicting information from third parties with something to gain… Zelaya petitioned the Honduran Supreme Court for a referendum which would permit the people to vote on whether or not a president could serve more than one term of four years. I see nothing wrong with that as US has a two-term limit. Zelaya’s petition to the Supreme Court sounds completely legal to me, particularly since he still had a year in office. I distrust the rich elite which control the Honduran Supreme Court and Congress (not elected). Sounds like they were scared Zelaya’s popularity (ELECTED)among the People might translate into less profit for them! That has certainly been true here in the US. That same greed caused an economic crash here in US which has been the direct cause of 90M people now living in extreme poverty around the world! I think it’s wrong to assume Zelaya intended to be a dictator with the limited information we have about the situation.

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By: James http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9633 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:41:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9633 The fact that the US govt. has the same position as Chavez, Sandinistas, and Castro is troubling. Leave Honduras alone! The time is ripe to oust the US government, call it what you want!

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By: JE Pineda http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9631 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:52:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9631 A coup is not a coup when forceful overthrow of a head of state in necessary in order to preserve the constitution, rule of law and representative democracy. Zelaya forfeited his right to rule, however, removing such a leader who enjoys the backing of oil rich Venezuela and motivated allies like Nicaragua and Cuba who are willing to do what it takes to spread socialism in Latin America, is obviously a delicate matter requiring risk and calculation. Processing Zelaya through a legal system would have been much riskier. Such an attempt was tried in Venezuela with Hugo Chavez, and we all know how that turned out.

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By: Ken Jac http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9629 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:12:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9629 The media is biased and the international bodies are lying about reality. If you wish to see the truth of what really happened in Honduras this week – a movement of nation unity in support of their Constitution, and the freedom and democracy it provides, then see these videos at youtube dot com /user/SupportHonduras.

If you don’t want to recognize the truth, go splash some water on your face and then go watch these videos with an open mind.
Why is it hard for people to believe Hondurans don’t want to live under Chavez’s foot? Would you?

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By: eddie http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/07/02/when-is-a-coup-not-a-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-9626 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:27:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=4543#comment-9626 I just want to say one more thing about the 1982 Honduran constitution. While it may look democratic in many respects, the military poison pill in it makes it a permanent coup. This document was set in place while Honduras was serving as the military base for the Contra War in Nicaragua and while Battalion 316 was disappearing Honduran citizens. People like Roberto Alfiere Gonzalez and Alfredo Mario Mingolla of the infamous Argentine Battalion 601 were there at the time as advisors to the Honduran military and may have had some influence on how to organize a compliant civilian government. Also present at the birth of this constitution was John Negroponte, the famous death squad ambassador. With midwives like these, the birth of constitutional democracy in Honduras was bound to be problematic. Impeach Zelaya and change the constitution so that the next person to screw up the Honduran government can be dealt with appropriately and democratically.

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