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U.S. Hispanics riled over immigrants’ healthcare exclusion

September 18, 2009

By Tim Gaynor

President Barack Obama’s signature battle to overhaul the United States’ $2.5 trillion healthcare industry to extend coverage and lower costs for Americans has met fierce opposition from Republicans.

But a move by Democrat backers to exclude 12 million illegal immigrants from buying health coverage and restrict the participation of authorized migrants has drawn the ire of U.S. Hispanics — a bloc that overwhelmingly turned out to vote for Obama in last year’s election.

Hispanic lawmakers and activists are riled by the bill pushed in the U.S. Senate by Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat, which denies illegal immigrants the option to buy health insurance and places a five-year wait period on legal immigrants before they can access health benefits.

“When we effectively bar the immigrant community from buying private insurance, we force them further into the shadows of our society, and we relegate them to emergency room care ­at the highest cost to taxpayers,” Rep. Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat, told a conference call with reporters this week.

Obama has so far been popular with U.S. Hispanics. His backing for comprehensive immigration reform, which seeks to allow millions of illegal immigrants in good standing a chance to pay fines and become citizens, helped win him two-thirds of the Latino vote in last November’s election.

But activists say the push to exclude undocumented workers from paying for healthcare — even for their U.S. born children — is testing support for Obama among Latinos, who make up 15 percent of the population and 9 percent of the electorate.

“The Latino vote was based on promises that a new administration would lead us out of the darkness and finally bring about immigration reform,” said Lorena Colin of the Mexican American Coalition for Immigration Reform, a Chicago-based pro-immigrant grassroots group.

“Instead, we are seeing the administration allowing undocumented immigrants to become scapegoats and the targets of widespread derision and hate in the healthcare debate,” she added.

Reverend Luis Cortés, Jr., meanwhile, the president of a prominent Hispanic evangelical network Esperanza said he was disillusioned with the Democrats, and warned that Hispanics voters would punish lawmakers who denied immigrants care in the midterm Congressional elections in 2010.

“All we can do at this point is look at each local election, one by one, and punish those individuals-regardless of their party-who deny rights to legal immigrants and children, as well as the poorest in our nation, the undocumented,” he said.

Comments

the catch phrase is “illegal immigrant”. an illegal immigrant will be better served if he/she isn’t allowed access to health care lest he/she gets outed and then gets deported.

Posted by Joey | Report as abusive
 

Let’s include immagrants, legal and illegal into our health care system, to include emergency room care. How do we do this? Easy. Charge all hispanics $3800 per year to cover the expense of their care. Tell, me why I, a born American must pay for their care?

Posted by Born American | Report as abusive
 

It is what it is!..Illegal Hispanics are not American citizens, they are not authorized to be here and the only reform that I can see happening, in the not so distant future, is a American revival to purge illegals from this country. The days of special interests are over, if Hispanics are offended so be it, go back to Mexico and reform your own country…I guess that makes me a racist eh?

Posted by Keith Hart | Report as abusive
 

I am alway curious who the press is referring to when they speak about the Hispanic community or the catch all phrase US Hispanic (et al). I am an American with Hispanic roots; I do not, nor do the Hispanics I know, share their sentiment and rarely do. Most Hispanics are hard working, self reliant, and adaptable. The policies of these special interest groups and politicians serve to enable their own existence not to help the Hispanic population. This country was founded on hard working, self reliant and American loving individuals. The continued polarization of our county make us weaker not stronger.

Posted by Sergio | Report as abusive
 

Fellow Americans-please let logic prevail; to grant healthcare to illegal immigrants will come from the pockets of a generation yet to be born. Why should we burden our children with this bill? America was built on the labor of immigrants, yes, and our forefathers took pride in paying their own way. Altruism is a commendable virtue but hard work and endurance are too; those of us who sacrifice everyday for our families will hurt the most.

Posted by Trish | Report as abusive
 

It doesn’t make sense to exclude illegal aliens from buying insurance. They get free care at the ER anyway. Since we don’t seem to have the gonads necessary to demand citizenship papers before treatment we should treat first then deduct the cost from the foreign aid we give their country of origin. Then deport them. Doesn’t every central american country have socialized medicine anyway? Shouldn’t that cover their citizens? Making it illegal for illegals to buy insurance doesn’t make sense which is probably why it seems so American (sorry, Norte American)

Posted by Jim | Report as abusive
 

The problem is that when an illegal goes to the emergency room they are NOT deported. They continue to go to the Las Vegas hospitals for expensive dialisis repeatedly, breaking the hospital budget. They should be perhaps given the life threatening treatment once, then deported, and not provided treatment when/if they illegally return.

Posted by Born American | Report as abusive
 

To ALL immigrates, not yet naturalized; you are not U.S. citizens. So what is the issue? What country in the world, Mexico is included, supports freely all people coming in, people that legally enter or illegally sneek in? If you do not like what the U.S. is doing to you personally, WHY are you here? WHY do you stay? Loving parents keep their children close; if you are illegally here shouldn’t you take care of your children and go to YOUR home country with your children? Doesn’t your country have some provisions to help you and your family? If not why can’t you go to YOUR country and use your political voice to get those benefits for all YOUR people. That is what U.S. citizens are trying to do here; asking our U.S. Government to remove ALL people that are here illegally!

Posted by bob meitzen | Report as abusive
 

Two ideas:

1) Let anybody into the USA if they consent to be sterilized, and if they sneak in, sterilize them involuntarily and let them stay.

2)Ignore the whole non-issue. Every few years, we get more immigration “reform,’ which always seems to involve letting the present crop of illegals stay permanently. So illegals living in this country are never a problem, because soon they won’t be illegal.

Posted by Custard's Last Stand | Report as abusive
 

Sadly if we allow free medical treatment for illegals then the amount of people coming here for free treatment would explode.I worked for company in CA and at one time 35% of their employees were illegal and the IRS knew about it and in fact gave them false social security numbers to pay taxes, perhaps this is were acorn got their business model? These guys use to travel back and forth to mexico,the border was insignificant.Yes these are hard working and wonderful people ,but CA is broke if they have a work permit of some description and pay taxes only on that basis ,but not lots of none working dependents.

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive
 

To the “Born American”, how do I know you are a “born American” and not just a mere fake to push crazy agendas in this forum. I, for one, am Latino. I am proud of it. I do not deny it and never will. The problem, however, with the whole discourse behind health care is that you keep blaming “immigrants” for the stupidity of our government” wars, deficits, corruption, etc. If Congressmen and Senators do not like the public option,make them give up their health coverage.

About immigrants and their role in this: well, if a law is implemented about health care, let it apply to legal residents of the US,citizens or permanent residents. However, if someone shows with an almost dying kid at an emergency room and they have no evidence of status, would you let that kid die? It is that simple… It is not about money, it is about morality and ethics, be they Christian, non-Christian, etc. Obama, in my view (and I voted for him) is showing a great degree is denial in these issues…. He is bending over backwards to the very people who hate him and sacrificing the ones who support him. I do not believe he is going to be reelected if he does not go back to the message that got him elected in the first place. And then, you will get what you want: a Repulican who will really drive this country effectively ito ghe ground…. (for ever).

Posted by Alex Taylor | Report as abusive
 

So, let me get this straight…

They’re getting riled up because we won’t give them benefits for sneaking in and breaking the law. And they are threatening to vote in 2010?

Doesn’t this sound a little self-absorbed to begin with?

Posted by Psyllicon | Report as abusive
 

An illegal alien is just that no matter where they come from.

Health and Accident Coverage
While traveling inside the United States, most personal health insurance policies are effective. But, is the client covered while traveling outside the United States? In about 99 percent of the cases the travel is not covered, not even by Medicare, unless he or she has purchased a special rider, which is added to his personal
health insurance policy. Many U.S. corporations purchase this coverage for their employees who frequently travel international. However the vast majority of travelers have no health insurance once outside the United States. Almost all countries of the world have socialized medicine, where health care is
free or available at a nominal cost to citizens of that country. There are usually reciprocal agreements between countries that have socialized medicine: that is, on country agrees to treat citizens of the other country, and vice versa. Because the United States does not have socialized medicine, the United States cannot have reciprocal agreements with other countries. This means that legally, a U.S. citizen traveling abroad must pay for health care. However, as a gesture of good will, the country being visted may care for a U.S. citizen at no cost, but the government of that country is not legally bound to do so.

So, if you do not have health insurance and you are here illegally you should get patched up / stabilzed and sent back to your country of origin for further care.

Posted by Jay | Report as abusive
 

Illegals get out of my pocket and go home – no excuses – illegals quit screwing me, my kids and my grandkids, ILLEGALS, GO HOME

Posted by Jack Kennedy | Report as abusive
 

Let me get this straight…illegals sneak into our country, get fake ID’s and Social Security cards, take jobs from Americans, demand that we give them free insurance AND if we don’t, they are going to VOTE out those that don’t comply with them in the next election! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Since when can an illegal vote in this country anyway….ohhhhhhhhh I forgot….since ACORN has been involved with the Democratic party and voter fraud! AMERICA STAND UP and TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!

Posted by KC | Report as abusive
 

Exclude illegal immigrants from purchasing healthcare coverage…Why? Either way they can access public assistance and medical now because they come to the US with nothing….as I was told by a social worker at welfare department. I was trying to get assistance just for a month because I was waiting for my medical to kick in. I even told them I would it pay back and I still was denied. Bad enough I had to resort this low to try to get help and didn’t get any. Born in the US, Pay taxes = No Help. Go figure our system.

Posted by Citizen Choice | Report as abusive
 

Some of the comments here are borderline racist.
America spends more on health care than any other industrialised nation (16% GDP) and still can’t provide health care for the lucky to be born in America. And the lucky to be born American are blaming the illegal’s?
Stop blaming the Mexicans for plain old American greed. The problem was created by those born in America!
In Canada we spent only 10.5% of our GDP and everyone is covered. And yes we even help the illegal’s. Some of which are Americans who can’t afford their medication, like your seniors. We have morals and smarter people running our system.
Maybe some of the legal’s in America should lose some weight.

Posted by Dutch | Report as abusive
 

oh well I’ll stick with the ER it’s FREE

Posted by jose | Report as abusive
 

Obama wants to give them amnesty so his health care plan will cover them…the only trouble I see if they become citizens they will not want to work for $7 an hour when they can collect welfare and get $750 for each child they have,collect subsidizing housing,food stamps and free medical care…they are not stupid people…Obama wants their votes because they are the fastest growing minority….but we will become a third world country.We are in trouble now ..How on earth can we pay for 20,000,000 more people on the welfare row?

Posted by Karin | Report as abusive
 

We should deny coverage to all fat, cigarette smoking Americans. That will help cut the cost of health care. And if the fat, smoking Americans think illegals are taking their jobs, I invite them to stand on the street corners of Anytown USA and wait to be hired for day-wage work in the fields or trimming those suburban lawns. They can take all those low-wage jobs out in the hot sun that they think illegals “take away from them.”

What a load of hooey.

Posted by Robert | Report as abusive
 

If you are not paying into the system then you shouldn’t get anything out of the system.
It’s as easy as that. Not paying taxes no government programs.

Posted by Eric H | Report as abusive
 

Why would the US health-care reform plan choose to exclude illegals from being able to purchase insurance??? This makes no sense!!! If the illegals need medical care—- they simply find their way to the ER and get treated. If they paid for insurance, they would visit the doctor and pay the same as everyone else. Duh!!!! This is simply dumb—-as usual.

I recently went to Spain on vacation and ended up in an ER because of kidney stones. I was treated, never asked for any identification, although they new very well I was a US citizen because I volunteered the info. I was treated at no charge, sent on my way along with some Rx’s which I filled at the local pharmacy for nearly nothing.

I rec’d the same treatment as a Spanish citizen.

Posted by Filipe | Report as abusive
 

Illegal means illegal. I don’t want them to get care at emergency rooms either without proof of citizenship.

Go home – is the message. No more squatting on this side of the border to give birth either.

We cannot implement a national single payer system that includes the entire western hemisphere – if they race north.

Mexico and Latin America need to heal thyself. Throw out your bums and rethink your own democracies.

We’ve had a snoutful of your corrupt politics.

Posted by Jack Trent | Report as abusive
 

Eric. That’s one thing we agree on. Anyone who doesn’t pay taxes in this country, no “government programs”.

People need to work hard and pay their own way to “earn” the privilege of health care. It is not a right legal or illegal…

Hey, we agree on something. There is hope.

Posted by TC | Report as abusive
 

Illegal immigrants living in the US have become essential to the economy as they fill low-wage jobs that many of us legal folks aren’t willing to do. Regardless of their status they are still consumers so their purchases are subject to sales tax and they still pay for many services, such as insurance, rent etc.,

Unlike the picture that many have painted in these posts, undocumented persons are not parasitic elements intent on dismantling the fabric of American communities. Instead they are a vital part of it and as long as corruption continues to permeate many Latin American countries they will continue to come. Considering their contributions, perhaps including them in the misguided health care plan would be the right thing to do.

 

What is wrong with helping those who are sick,hungry and homeless.It dosn’t matter if they are brown,black,yellow,red or white.This country was blessed by God with power,wealth and abundant food sources.We are to protect and nourish the strangers,widows and fatherless in this world.This earth does not belong to us.we are all “illegal”.Be kind,generous and compassionate to others.Treat the “illegal” as you would treat your family.For one day we may be “illegals” also.Do not let your dislike of others lead to injustice and inhumane deeds.We are all God’s children.

 

There is a reason they are called illegals? They are not here with a pass port legally as to the man Filpe who went to Spain who I am sure he was there legally or he would have been Jailed.
What does this word illegal mean to the people of the United States??? My Family has worked hard for there heritage. I am so sick of paying for people who are not legally in the US. We talk about National security and how many people have come into the US illegally? How did they get here?
We have many serious issues that have had a domino effect on our Country.
People need to do the research and look back in our history to why America use to be The Greatest Country. What our Father’s of this great Country said. They were brilliant.
I agree with Jack Trent !

 

The baloney about illegals taking jobs that American citizens is just that, baloney. I have been out of work for a long time. I am 59 years old with advanced degrees. Giving up on jobs in my field, I applied for custodial positions. I never got a call. Why should an employer hire someone who might file worker’s comp claims on injuries or unemployment claims when they can hire an illegal alien? It’s about greed, both on the part of the employer and the illegal alien. Bloom where your planted. If your country is broken, stay home and fix it! My ancestor fought with General Greene against the Brits in the Carolinas to make his home a better place. Go liberate Guatemala!

Posted by blakemankansas | Report as abusive
 

They shouldn’t be riled this easily since well, most of them entered the states illegally. They weren’t born there, and giving birth to their children in the states is just a cheap method of trying to stay. Yes immigrants, birthing your children in the U.S. just to gain monetary leeching is super cheap and just downright lazy.

Sorry guys, but we need a tight leash on the illegal immigrant leeches of society who think sucking off of government money is all they need to live. Come on, most of them haven’t even tried applying for naturalization/citizenship… they deserve to be cut off from benefits and care for trying to take shortcuts over hard working people.

Give this a thought before you start spouting “they’re just people too/God loves everyone babble” nonsense: Who’s paying for their easy2leech money? TAXPAYERS. THE ENTIRE LOT OF UNITED STATES CITIZENS.

We get taxed for their easy money they get.

“Mexico and Latin America need to heal thyself. Throw out your bums and rethink your own democracies.

We’ve had a snoutful of your corrupt politics.”

^ This, by Jack Trent.

Surely illegal immigrants can do the same as Americans and try to change their countries? Nope… LEECHING IS THE WAY 2 GO. LEECH LEECH LEECH.

Posted by Spazix | Report as abusive
 

Do not let corrupt politicians run your health care. Keep government out of health care!!!!!! Illegals or no illegals, the federal government has overstepped their bounds and needs to be put in place. Demand NO government controlled healthcare!!!!!!

Posted by jason | Report as abusive
 

If you are an active or ex-military member from the US, you can recall anytime you were injured during your time serving. They took us in, got us care, (care that worked) and fixed us and sent us back out to work FAST. That is a government run health care system, and it is currently up and running and obviously works well.

It is a system I would like to see our country implement for everyone in the world to have, but I would settle with within our borders to start with. Tax me all you want as long as this is the result.

Posted by Shannon | Report as abusive
 

What had held this country together is LAW. Our constitution, Bill of Rights are the laws of the land. In other words this country is based on law and the LEGAL rights of individuals. If we continue to allow millions of people who have no regard for law. Who want their way whether it’s legal or not we are going against our foundation. We live by the law of the land in America not lawlessness like in some of our neighboring countries. Because these people come here with no respect for the law they will inevitably bring social problems with them. Their attitude is basis for concern and a need to curtail the mass violations of our system…..which includes speaking English and having legal rights to our services and benefits.

If they were the strong, educated with a love for their country they would stay home and fight just like many American have done. African Americans didn’t flee to Mexico because they were mistreated. They endured hangings in trees, being bitten by dogs, hosed, jailed, beaten and murdered in order to obtain a decent life in what had become their home.

I say GO HOME! If you are truly a person that could be a benefit to this country come as a tourist….bring money.

Posted by Helena | Report as abusive
 

I can’t believe what I just read. We need more understanding about our global (World Wide) living process. We are human families where to be Black, White, Latino, Asian or any other, “do not make any difference”. Be legal or illegal we still deserve an opportunity to live as a family. Family meaning “breaks so many lines already dictated in each portion of land”. Think about your happiness and as well for others. Make dreams come true and forget all evil feeling.
Hope you got the idea!
Work together!

Posted by Omar | Report as abusive
 

Let’s be frank with each other. IF you don’t garee with the rule of law and that braling the law is criminal that we will NEVER agree. The ILLIGALS are here AGAINST THE LAW. PERIOD. DISCUSSION ENDED.

Posted by Captain Moroni | Report as abusive
 

But a move by Democrat backers to exclude 12 million illegal immigrants from buying health coverage and restrict the participation of authorized migrants has drawn the ire of U.S. Hispanics — a bloc that overwhelmingly turned out to vote for Obama in last year’s election.
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I haven’t seen the Mexican American Community saying that at all. I have seen Mexican National Organizations galore telling us they wouldn’t vote for the President again. They are not supposed to vote, but we all know the various State Governments are slack with enforcement hoping they will be popular with the illegal aliens.

But the story, and the idea, is actually only popular with the illegal aliens, and is told and retold on the Spanish Language Radio. And, they inflate their numbers as much as they can to achieve their goal which is to maintain the umbilical cord into the welfare system in the United States.

Sad. True.

Posted by Joel Wischkaemper | Report as abusive
 

People! Here’s how our system works:
An illegal can and does walk into any ER and gets care. I walk into a clinic with no health insurance and I have to come up with $50 before I’m even seen. A year ago I fell, damaging the tendons in both shoulders. At the clinic the doctor wanted to do an MRI and x-rays. “I have no insurance”. Doctor, “then I’ll get you a sling and would you like a prescription for pain pills?” And that cost me $127. Over a year later my shoulders still hurt and I’ve lost mobility.
My Advair now costs $220 per month. And to be put on my husband’s insurance would cost an additional $402 per month.
ILLEGALS can probably AFFORD insurance because for one thing they do not lose is 1/3 of their wages to withholdings and do not pay taxes.

Posted by cricket | Report as abusive
 

to whom may it concern:

im american. im mexican. i speak english and spanish. granted my grammar is not proper. im sure everyone has preconceived idead too what im like, just for being mexican-american. anyways, i always read reuters because the news is awesome. my mother was born in mexico, and now shes a teacher with a masters degree. her sisters worked hard as seamstresses all their lives in downtown los angeles. all i wanted to say is they work hard for their familys, and although “health care” may not be given to them… its 100 times worse in mexico, where there siblings died of flu. be advised, were very thankful people. i dont know where im going with this, but truly, were not illegal “aliens” society just alienates us. multi-cultural people have it hard. its something i believe alot of these readers cant understand. yes, you parents grandparents have gone through it… but are YOU currently going through what we have to go through?

Posted by omar herrera | Report as abusive
 

HAR!HAR!HAR! I love it when these clowns start demanding things on behalf of illegal aliens. Lou Dobb’s couldn’t make this stuff up!

Posted by Eddie Brown | Report as abusive
 

If the US had Norway’s oil billions, our politicians with their fake, power-hungry concern could afford to hand out other citizens’ tax money right and left for the health care of illegal aliens, who break our laws by entering our country illegally.

But we don’t. And I don’t want my hard-earned tax dollars to provide free health care for the illegal aliens who brutally mugged my nephew at gunpoint a few months ago.

Posted by FedUp Taxpayer | Report as abusive
 

I was on vacation in Redding, CA and what did I see? White and black folks doing the jobs Hispanics say no one wants. I did not see one illegal alien cleaning the hotel rooms. Nope, old white ladies. At the tiny mall, the cleaners were white and black people. So I don’t buy that argument. Americans will do any job at the right price.

Posted by n8whit | Report as abusive
 

I can understand that legislation might restrict non-citizens from getting “free” health insurance, but restricting them from buying PRIVATE insurance? What is the logic behind this? And to the person who said that illegal immigrants should not receive medical attention at an emergency room — that is simply barbaric! Denying humans basic access to emergency medical care is crazy.

Posted by TSki | Report as abusive
 

Please ask yourself why Americans do not want illeglas here?
They should be excluded. We should pay the ER visit load them on a plane and drop them via parachute over Mexico.
We ought to shot them if they cross the border.

Spain was very nice to you to treat you for nothing, but why should the citizens of Spain pay for you?

Posted by SusanR | Report as abusive
 

Health care should be inalienable right of all residents. Denying health-care is definitely inhumane irrespective of whether the person is a citizen or not. president Obama would be well-advised to extend coverage to all and keep his election promises as well. He has shown that he is a dynamic humane leader. Now is the time for him to deliver on his promises.

 

a friend of mine offerd health care to his employees . he has a concrete company and employs mostly illegal aliens in the field.the office people gladly accepted the coverage but his illegals declined coverage due to the fact that a deduction would be taken from thier check depending on # of kids and a office visit co-pay.
basically the group of illegals said “boss,why would we want this when we already get health care for free?”

Posted by big d | Report as abusive
 

To n8whit. How do you know that those same Black or White people are not illegals? Because they do not look Hispanic, or Mexican? Many illegals here are White or Black. And yes,it is RACIST to assume that all illegals here are only Mexican or Hispnics. FYI,all white people here are immigrants,because they came here and illegally took the country from the native americans.

Posted by klass112 | Report as abusive
 

The illegal’s protests would be ignored just as we American’s are if,,, and here’s the kicker,,Businessmen with low wages and really cool exploitation schemes in mind would remain silent. The average American worker doesn’t want to compete with someone who is the cheapest worker in town,, But businessmen want to work hell out of a person and send em home with subsistence wages,,if that!

Posted by Unemployed for too long | Report as abusive
 

Just how will the “hispanic” electorate “punish” anti-amnesty politicians. If they don’t for the Dems how will they punish Obama and the Dems. By voting for the Republcans? Don’t think so. Or how about the Libertarian party and Ralph Nader, or the Green Party or the Partido por de liberacion de Aztlan? Or even boycotting the midterm elections altogether. Empty, silly threats by the advocates and enablers of Amnesty/open borders. Does the term “hubris” mean anything to these people?

Posted by Donald Cho | Report as abusive
 

I love Donald Chos post. The utter arrogance of these hispanics blows me away. I can’t recall anything like it. Gimee,gimee,gimee,etc. What illegal aliens deserve is a one way ticket south–> to ol Mexico, ON THE FASTEST AND CHEAPEST THING SMOKIN. Who are the people in the U.S. that are still pushing and crying to allow illegal immigration? Easy. Those employers who get enriched by using them but passing the social costs on to the American taxpayer, racist hispanic ethnic interest groups, and PHONY POLITICIANS. That’s about it, as far as who is backing illegal immigration. Hey, I’m just trying to be honest.

Posted by Bobby | Report as abusive
 

criket, good post. Yes, illegala aliens get it free, Americans have to have at least fifty bucks. So, Criket, the conclusion is what? That Americans are idiots, obviously. No I’m not being facetious, what else should we conclude? Why do we allow,stand for it? By now, every single politician who enables this stuff should be working at McDonalds, not at the Congressional building.

Posted by Bobby | Report as abusive
 

Does this mean that the “Latino” voters approve of crime? If they continue to aid and abet illegal aliens, then we can draw no other conclusion. If health care is sought for those whose first act was to dishonor our immigration laws, why not just give them the keys to the city? I’m sure Mexico and other countries south of the border would do exactly the same for Americans who sneaked into their countries. No other country on earth is as foolish as we are. We leave our borders wide open and then place all sorts of restrictions on authorities who should be arresting and deporting them. If you get in, we take care of you from birth to death. Just make it in and if you’re born here, you’ve hit the hackpot! You are now eligible to bring all your relaives here. Can the leaders of this country not see that this is not true immigration. It is an invasion with the express idea of turning this once great country into the third worlds they come from. We are doomed unless we realize what confronts us. Look around and start with 2010. Vote out those who aid and abet. Then in 2012, get someone to lead this country who puts our welfare above that of illegal aliens and their supporters.

Posted by June | Report as abusive
 

Robert, what have you got against Americans? They built this country. They’ve paid enormous amounts of taxes over their lives. What’s the thing Robert? Exploiting illegal aliens, are we? Why do you feel it neccessary to attack Americans in their own nation? I’m just curious. Do think Mexicans, for example, have a problem with Mexicans in their own nation?

Posted by The Redskin Redneck | Report as abusive
 

Illegal aliens come here because they simply want to and they cannot or will not do it the LEGAL way. Illegal aliens only have themselves to blame and should receive no consideration. If their families are being separated, who’s fault is that? They knew the consequences before they decided to ignore our immigration laws.

Those who come here illegally, steal our IDs and ignore our laws have already demonstrated they lack the honesty and decency to ever become American citizens. They have NO right to be in our country demanding anything. We owe them nothing.

Posted by DontTreadOnMe | Report as abusive
 

All these hateful Right Wingers want people always to suffer. They are so resentful of all they deem as ‘Others’ and have made the US a mean spirited place for even us natives to live in.

What do they want, that a kid without proper papers that gets hit by a car to do what? Just die? Would they want Mexico to do that same thing to themselves if the same accident happened in say… Cancun to themselves or their kids and they had no insurance at the time? These people need to grow a heart, and to grow a brain, too! From a nation of immigrants it seems that we have grown to become much a nation of soulless thugs.

Posted by Tony Logan | Report as abusive
 

Always watch what the other hand is doing. Barry Soetoro has already cut deals with the ethnic interest groups. He will deny insurance but will instead legalize everyone to get around it. That includes their relatives back home who will join them via family re-unifacation laws. Add another 60 million people to the total. The goal is to register them 90% democrats to dominate future elections and to assure socialist welfare programs and bigger government.

That’s unless you stop them.

Posted by Jimi | Report as abusive
 

klass112 said:
“FYI,all white people here are immigrants,because they came here and illegally took the country from the native americans.” —————————————–

The vast majority of white Americans were born in the United States, which means they became Americans by birth. Because of this fact, these Americans are not, and never were, immigrants.
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Posted by bartlebee | Report as abusive
 

David Morovan said:
“Illegal immigrants living in the US have become essential to the economy as they fill low-wage jobs that many of us legal folks aren’t willing to do. Regardless of their status they are still consumers so their purchases are subject to sales tax and they still pay for many services, such as insurance, rent etc.,” ————————————————————-
You are wrong. Illegal aliens aren’t essential to the U.S. economy. WORKERS are essential to the U.S. economy. And these essential workers don’t have to be illegal aliens. Millions of foreigners from around the world would love to come here legally and fill these low-wage jobs. These legal immigrants would then become consumers here and would then buy things and pay sales tax, pay income taxes, pay rent, buy cars, buy insurance, etc.

Posted by bartlebee | Report as abusive
 

Why make it personal and blame Hispanics or illegal immigrants?
Just because your governments cant provide you with good health care, protect your borders or prosecute criminals doesn’t mean you should blame those trying to make a new life for themselves.
Where would you be without their slave-labor??
Imagine if Chinese workers got paid fair wages, the price of everything you consume would go up 10 fold over night!
Say goodbye to the American dream…

Posted by brian | Report as abusive
 

Crackdown on all undocumented persons in the US and we’ll see who takes those jobs. Putting all the patriotic rhetoric and the predominant xenophobia seen in these posts, it is proven that these people are vital to many small businesses. Yes we have immigration statuses and agencies delegated the task of protecting our borders but let’s consider the vast extent of that line. It is impossible to make this 100% nonporous!

Posted by Dave Morovan | Report as abusive
 

Don’t let illegal immigrants have free health care. “Illegal” means that they have broken our laws, are not paying taxes to support these programs, and should not be entitled to participate. In my opinion, they should be treated like any other criminal that has broken the law. Arrest, detain, and punish. Punish then by sending them back to their countries of origin and make them do it right. If they cant do it right the second time, put them in jail. There are lots of “legal” immigrants. They have worked hard to legally come into this country. Those that come “Illegally” are criminals. Pure and simple.

Posted by james | Report as abusive
 

What is it about the word “illegal” that is so hard for a number of Hispanics to understand? There are rules and procedures in place to gain legal status. If the US adopted the same immigration policy as Mexico, every last illegal immigrant would be either in prison or deported, or worse. (Just ask Guatamalans and Costa Ricans who try to sneak into Mexico on their way to the US!)

I’m tired of people smokescreening this issue into a matter of race. No. It’s about right and wrong and adhering to laws.

Posted by Mike H. | Report as abusive
 

Dont forget that Obama said he had a plan that would make all the illegals in America Legal. Im sure he can do that with a stroke of his pen. By the time he is done, none will be “illegal” anymore.

This will be one more way that Obama will disregard the American voice and screw America over again! His track record so far is pretty bad!

Posted by Charles | Report as abusive
 

Treat the “illegal” as you would treat your family.

- Posted by Robert Garza

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guess what illegal – your kind has taken jobs from both of my kids and now my grandson can not get a job, cuz the bosses want the mexicans that they can treat like slave and dont want Americans

go home mexicans – my kids and grandkids can not pay your way any longer

It is all about the kids – the American kids – illegals go home and let the American kids work the jobs you steal at slave wages and then want me and my kids/grandkids to pay your welfare

Posted by Former Democrat | Report as abusive
 

Big D:

Your pal who hires mostly illegals ought to be horsewhipped! I’ll bet he lives in a real nice home and drives a terrifically overpriced car. Meanwhile, his workers live 10 to 15 in an apartment and share a car.

As far as offering health insurance to his employees goes,,,He offered them a chance to pay through the nose out of their own empty pockets for something that isn’t worth buying in the first place.

Before we erect a monument in honor of this employer, perhaps we should take a good look at the Americans he’s discriminated against to become wealthier and more comfortable.

Posted by Unemployed for too long | Report as abusive
 

If the 20 million are given amnesty, they will then be able to bring in at least 20 million more of their family members through chain migration.—-Once they are citizens, the Democrats will make sure that they are registered to vote ASAP.——Once they are registered to vote, they take over our politics/elections.—-Once they take over our politics/elections, do you really think that they will be concerned about protecting YOUR rights/opportunities?? What about those of your children/grandchildren??—-What is going to be left for you?? What is going to be left for your children/grandchildren??—-Join millions of US citizens from throughout the country, by joining this FREE site NOW—-www.numbersusa.com

Posted by Bren | Report as abusive
 

Are regular hard-working Hispanic-Americans “riled” over this OR the pro-illegal alien, anti-American worker, ethnocentric groups upset? Luis Gutierrez is a well-known member of the latter. Shame on him.

American of all backgrounds soundly reject “comprehensive immigration reform” (mass amesty) and more benefits for those who have and continue to spit on our laws.

Posted by Steve | Report as abusive
 

Illegal aliens are destroying the very fabric of our society. Oure government and corrupt business continue to encourage by rewarding criminal behavior. Boycott all businesses that hire these people. INSIST that you are served by citizens before you allow services to your home or property. I am sick of seeing a truckload of 10 people show up to a modest house for landscaping. Do not go to Wendys or McDonalds if the staff is all illegal. Do something other then whine and we CAN reverse this!

Posted by Don | Report as abusive
 

What is amazing to me that here in Los Angelous there has not been any sign of reaction to this supposed exclusion.The latino community are normally very vocal when news like this hits the headlines.The only conclusion is they are keeping quiet,not rocking the democratic boat,because there a several local politicians who have relied on the illegal vote to get them elected.Congresswomen Sanches is a strong applicant for them so are probably leaving it in her hands.

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive
 

My kids can’t get a job because every single teenager job is filled with illegals. 100%. No wonder teenage unemployment is at all time high of 25%.

And with the illegal workers, WE have to pay for their healthcare, kids education, infrastructure, bi-lingual translation.

Right now, there are still 750,000 illegals crossing the border. Sure it’s down a little from the million, but what jobs are these people doing. The jobs argument is getting old.

Starting to seem like they’re coming over to set-up camp in your nice home – since it’s nicer than theirs.

Posted by Freddie Valero | Report as abusive
 

I call BS. Most hispanic Americans I know are against illegal immigration. They see their taxes going up. They see the urban blight illegal aliens bring with them to our neighborhoods. This is nothing but rhetoric and propaganda from the pro amnesty groups. If you think it was tough trying to pass amnesty before, just you wait and see what happens in this economy. All this talk about the huge growing numbers of hispanics is overblown. There are 15% hispanics in the US. There are 12% blacks, There are 66% whites in the US, by far the largest percentage of the population! Americans are no longer listening to groups screaming racism towards illegal aliens. They break our laws and drain resources meant for citizens. They don’t belong here. GO HOME!

Posted by Stephen | Report as abusive
 

Please, Please Please let’s be just a little opened minded concerning this issue. I am simply an American with family who came to this country in the early 1700″s. I’m sure I would qualify as the Good American that so many of you seem to be talking about. However, I am appalled at the knee jerk reactions of many of these posts.

For the past six years I have voluntarily taught English to an undocumented Mexican family. I am truly impressed with their family values, work ethic, honesty, respect for others and immense desire to become part of our (let me remind you ) MELTING POT.

I would like to correct a few items represented as factual, which are NOT!

1. MOST DO PAY TAXES. Yes…our government gives undocumented workers a government issued number called an ITIN number. They are given this number for the purpose ONLY of PAYING TAXES. My husband has helped many undocumented individuals file income taxes using this number.

2. They pay into Social Security which they can never hope to use. If you are working for a large hotel chain or a fast food restaurant you receive a paycheck with all the same taxes being taken out as documented workers.(Americans)

3. They buy clothes, eat in restaurants, have parties, buy groceries, pay rent, pay utilities, etc. just like the rest of US. Our economy does not reject their money.

4. Our well known banks and mortgage companies have let them open checking and saving accounts. Well known Real Estate firms have allowed them to buy houses….mainly because they rarely default. How do they do this you ask. The answer is that they are encouraged to do so using their ITIN Number. Yes the same number that the government explicitly states is only to be used for PAYING TAXES. The undocumented population is a lucrative group from which to draw customers. Do you really think Home Depot uses bi-lingual signs because no Hispanics buy from them?

5. Yes…when a child is born here the government will allow health care for that child on a sliding scale. Do they use it? Of course….they have no option to purchase health care because they are undocumented. The parents cannot use this sliding scale because they have no legal standing. They must go to an emergency room. I personally watched as one of my students handed over $800.00 for a laproscopy and she was happy to do it because she needed the procedure. If they could purchase health care believe me my group of 20 undocumented friends and their friends would do so.

I could go on and on..but I think I’ve made the point. In many many ways we encourage them while at the same time make life very difficult. For example right now it’s become extremely difficult for them to get a driver’s license. So what happens…they must drive to work…they get stopped and go to court to pay a local judge $200.00 and have him say”You need to get a driver’s license” knowing that it’s impossible. They get stopped again and repeat the performance with the local court.

The bottom line is that THEY ARE NOT GOING HOME TO GET IN LINE!. If there had been a LINE they would have been in it to come here legally. The LINE doesn’t exist for you unless you are here to attend a university, have a PHD etc.

It would cost us so much less in the long run to bring them out and give them legal status. IT WILL BE DONE… so why not NOW?

Posted by susan | Report as abusive
 

The funny thing is, you’re ALL illegal immigrants.. effectively. Your country was founded on illegal immigration, imperialism, genocide, treason, civil war, racism and slavery.. What is a true American?? White?

Posted by brian | Report as abusive
 

My father owns an Irrigation and Landscape company in Texas. He makes sure they are all documented, even if a social security card is easy to fake, and pays them well. In fact, everyone of his employees makes well above the poverty line, and they work very hard to earn their money. I’ve asked them questions about why don’t the guys at our local “Stop n’ Go ” have jobs. The simple answer they give me is that ‘they are just lazy and don’t want to work and they’ve told me that more than half of those guys aren’t from Mexico. If Amnesty happens there should be certain things in place for this to occur, especially the approval of American Citizens. First of all, the border should be secured with a wall and a new department of the government who oversees it. That include giving aid to migrants who’ve crossed deserts and need medical attention and other services. This part is the most important to have the approval of any border wall by the Latino community. Secondly, once the movement between Mexico and the US is tightly secure, nothing goes unseen, it will encourage documentation of illegal aliens and police, in Texas specifically, can ask someone they pull over or meet what there immigration status is at the current time. America is a melting pot of immigrants from all around the world, but cutting down crime and knowing that one country doesn’t have full right way to enter our country illegally are important issues as well.

Posted by Shawn | Report as abusive
 

I’ve been getting mutiple calls concerning health care for legal immigrants as well as their children and an offer to connect me with John D. Rockefeller’s office. I took the option, but got a recorded message that the site was busy and to leave my name and number.

The health care bill will cost billions, if not trillions. Right now I believe the main issue would be to cover those who cannot get coverage because of pre-existing conditions and reform that does not allow insurance companies to cancel a person after they have an illness and to do away with caps.

My concern is that I’m being targeted because of the Spanish surname (husband’s relatives immigrated in the 40′s via Ellis Island & standing in line & doing it the right way. Targeting only the Spanish population & then referring them to Rockefeller’s office will skew the pubic’s opinion.

I’m waiting for Rockfeller’s office to call me, but if not I will email or write them by snail mail to make sure that my opinion is included. I’d urge others to do the name thing with their representatives. As far as I know, Mexico provides healthcare (according to a Lou Dobbs report) – let Mexico pay for their citizens.

Posted by WV Spanish surname | Report as abusive
 

Yes, they pay taxes. But, as my accountant husband knows, they use 15 deductions and get it all PLUS more back. They are now driving Hummers & BMW’s with beautiful wheels and buying nice houses in my neighborhood. Their job is to sit in the front yard in lawn chairs everyday while I drive my dumpy car to the train to got to work. They can afford nicer homes than mine without a job? There are constant stabbings and gang graffiti everywhere. This used to be a nice place but not now. The police are afraid to even mess with the Mafia but you hear bits and pieces from those who know and it’s not good…. WE are paying for this with our taxes and our souls. It needs to stop NOW.

Posted by Alldonewithit | Report as abusive
 

True, they do get some breaks on taxes, but let’s not start generalizing a huge populations by saying they “drive BMW’s, etc” because they don’t pay as much in health care. You can not say it is ONLY the illegal immigrant population, because, as a banker, I see many nationalities, many accounts, many checks, and many of these from people I know personally. Some of these people, legal residents mind you, get help on their health care, come in bragging about how they were able to “get it over” on providers, and have the money sitting in their accounts to afford it, while others have to file bancruptcy because of high health care costs they can’t afford. Also, we need to keep in mind, these illegals are out there working, and most times are working the jobs the rest of us don’t want to do. They work ridiculous hours EVERYDAY…no matter what the weather, what the storm, to go make peanuts for them and their families, not only here, but also their home countries. And you weigh the options…hmmmm pay $300-$600 to become legal or put food on the table for my family and I? I think we often times forget that this country was built on a dream for ALL, that we became the diverse nation we are because of immigrants coming over to live out their dreams. I am blessed and priviledged to be a Puerto Rican American because when my grandparents came over from PR, they were still considered Americans. I see their struggles, what they went through to give my family a better life, even still being technically American. I know what my fiance went through coming over from EL Salvador 13 years ago, his family working in the states for years, leaving the kids behind, just to make money to legally bring them to the states. It’s so easy to spit out laws, regulations, etc., until you have seen it yourself, faced it yourself, lived with it yourself!

Posted by JEM | Report as abusive
 

I would like to propose an idea. Since lately the teaparty and Republican shave been bashing hispanics or all races.In addition undermining our contibutions in this country which is quite significant. We should have aday without hispanics day. A day where no hispanics goes to work. We march the street all over the country tating how impoetant we are for the mere survival of this country.In order to state the important piece we make in this country. If this tea part and Republican think thery are big and powerfull they have not seen anything yet. We own more smalol buisness we proivide an essential balnce to minoritie representation in this country our vote and voice counts. Lets think about this people this is the year we let our voices heard. Imagine and a day without hispanics in the workforce. What would happen. We are strong and smart ethinic which is very politacly inclined. Lets think about it.

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