Comments on: Forget about light bulbs – Iran wants a seat at the table http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/ Beyond the World news headlines Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:09:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-15312 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:48:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-15312 There were 3 comments that did not get posted.I make copies of every single post I write and still have them all.Louis, I repeatedly tried to re-send these copies but was informed that the message had already been sent.Where are they?

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By: Louis Charbonneau http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-15119 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:30:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-15119 Re: concerns about threads not being published.I looked into this. No threads have been withheld as far as I can tell. I don’t know what to suggest other than to make copies of your posts before you click “submit comment” in case they don’t appear. If that happens, you can always resubmit them later..I hope that helps.

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14974 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:00:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14974 If I’m not allowed to speak my mind I’ll just provide more evidence instead.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e K7JJea3Sz8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P lan_Dalethttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ki ng_David_Hotel_bombingBen Gurion, quotes – 1st zionist prime ministerhttp://www.shovrimshtika.org/ind ex_e.asphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U mPEIt4fcnI

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14958 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:52:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14958 This is ridiculous… has this thread now been shut down?? Why are my posts still not being published?There is absolutely no reason that they should not be as I can quote evidence and links for everything I am saying.Is there an issue of moderator bias that needs to be addressed?

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14941 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:35:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14941 Seriously, what is going on with my comments???That’s the 3rd time this has happened on this thread.How is it that my 2nd comment can appear but not my first posted and when I re-send my first it says you’ve already received it??

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14939 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:48:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14939 mrk julian smith,I think the point, and the issue that needs attention, is that we need to be able to admit when we are wrong.Not to press on through the bad decision in the hope that by repeating the mistakes of the past the future will work itself out.We don’t seem to learn anything because indeed there is no moral authorities worthy of widespread cross-cultural, free respect.Life isn’t just about tolerance, it’s about standing up for what you believe in, and despite the multitude of beliefs out there, for the 21st century there is something seriously, fundamentally wrong with what most in the world believe.. need I say religion?For all our claims of civility and hopes for the future, the most amazing hypocrisy is that we still allow such a staggering saboteur of our fundamental moral and intellectual instincts to exist and continue corrupting and dividing us.

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By: mrk Julian Smith http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14934 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:59:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14934 It would appear even Mohamed ElBaradei was having second thoughts regards Iran’s nuclear intentions given Iran’s declaration of another nuclear site.The point is not which country has a nuclear weapon but what would happen if an ideology of a certain bent obtained one what would be the probable outcome. The propensity of use.We are all immigrants from somewhere there are no countries boundaries which have not been created in blood and terror with forced evacuations of significant numbers of human beings. This continues to be the case.Everything we see defined in a political sense from geographical boundaries to the right to continue to exist where you are born, have always been and will always be arbitrary. The underlying rational for final political outcomes comes down to coercion not law. Law itself was and continues to be created in the cauldron of relative coercion. Why?It is because we base our personal, group and national relationships on the notion of sovereignty. This gives Iran’s Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei the right to say the “Biggest Crime” is not torturing and killing your own people for dissent (or those outside the Iran), dissent itself because it questions the legitimacy of the sovereignty of the elite in power is the “Biggest Crime”. In the same way perceived sovereignty justifies Israel and Palestinians brutilisation of each other. Each trying to out-coerce each other.I suggest we need as human beings to accept firstly we are all hypocrites, individuals and nations, and secondly work out what really matters in the end boundaries or the level of relative independence we enable for each other, finally to accept there exist cultural schisms which are irreconcilable, reflect on what they are and whether it is worth the blood and tears of our children to keep them – agree on an accepted human bill of rights applicable to both sides. Or alternatively lets carry on as normal in the time honored coercion way of sovereignty be honest as Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regards a desired Israeli holocaust.As with arbitrary national boundaries defining nations or any text which exists or has existed they are derived directly from the mind of humans for the benefit and/or detriment of other humans – so humans can redefine relationships with another idea.Enabling the independence of others first – it has to start somewhere why not try it at home – it works – try it at work – etc.

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14932 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:49:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14932 The legitimacy of Israel is not an issue here.Israel is an independent sovereign nation:-It declared itself independent.-This declaration was supported by the UN.-Israel upheld this independence even when the Arab nations resorted to force.The Partition Plan was non-binding, because the UN doesn’t have the power to create nations. Only the people of the ‘proto-nation’ can do so.Israel’s declaration was simply giving legal force to the partition plan which was already supported by the UN. It was made on the date the mandate expired, as the UN had intended. And it was supported by the UN, who then condemned the later Arab invasion.It is no surprise that the final result of Israel was different to the partition plan. After driving back the invasion, Israel made territorial gains.The issue you had, Brian, was that you accused Israel of being an aggressive nation.But history has shown that the Arab-Israeli conflict mainly involves Israel reacting to the aggressive actions of its neighbours. Even the recent Gaza and Lebanon conflicts.Rather then debate this issue; you instead shift the issue to Israel’s legitimacy. There is no need to debate this, because it simply isn’t an issue.

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14925 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:30:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14925 Aviran, it means that the resolution was non-binding and was not agreed on by both parties. It also means that Israel only USED the plan as a basis for legitimacy and has never adhered to it’s conditions, which the Jews themselves didn’t agree with in the first place.There was no legal basis because there was NO following of the ‘plan’. And when the state of Israel was declared independent of the plan by the Jews the country was still under British mandate.I never said the Jewish population shouldn’t “count”, but they were a minority MANY of which had only immigrated to British Palestine in the last 3 or 4 years since the war and were not at all indigenous.. Thus the ‘plan’ was completely unfair to offer such an illegitimate minority the majority of land in Palestine.What right does the regional community have??What right does the non-regional community have to implant a foreign, hostile state in the middle of the Arabic holy land??It is a very reasonable concept to value the importance and opinion of regional people when planning imperialist activities in their territory.No the US / British did not ask permission when they stole the land of Native Americans, that’s what makes it such a hostile, tragic and regrettable action.By the same logic you’re using to defend Israel it should be just as acceptable for the USA to be split up into 2 states by foreign governments. In fact the Native Americans have even more right to the US as their claim is not religious fiction and is in modern history not ancient history.

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/11/04/forget-about-light-bulbs-iran-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/comment-page-1/#comment-14924 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:09:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/global/?p=6307#comment-14924 I have answers for all these questions and would love to reply but my comments seem to be disappearing without explanation…

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