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U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon's spokesman says "guidance" on Kashmir was not an official statement from Ban
(Updated August 6, 2010 at 5:05 p.m. EDT with new remarks from U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky.)
The United Nations is playing down a statement on Kashmir a U.N. spokesman sent to a small group of reporters last week. After India made clear that it was very unhappy with the language on Kashmir issued by the U.N. press office, the world body explained that U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon had never uttered the offending words — at least not in an official statement.
This is the full text of what U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky has described as “media guidance” on Kashmir, as provided to Reuters by one of the reporters who received it by email on July 28:
“In relation to recent developments in Indian-administered Kashmir, the Secretary-General is concerned over the prevailing security situation there over the past month. He calls on all concerned to exercise utmost restraint and address problems peacefully.
“The Secretary-General welcomes the recent resumption of Foreign Minister-level talks between India and Pakistan. He encourages both sides to rekindle the spirit of the composite dialogue, which was initiated in 2004 and had made encouraging progress on some important confidence building measures, and to make renewed efforts to address outstanding issues, including on Jammu and Kashmir. He underlines the need for patience, perseverance and compromise on all sides.”
On Aug. 3 Nesirky played down that email during the daily U.N. briefing: “The Spokesperson’s Office released to the media guidance which was prepared by the U.N. Secretariat, and that seems to have been taken out of context. This was not a statement of the Secretary-General.”
Nesirky was asked a number of other questions about the “guidance” — was it genuine; what was taken out of context; was it authorized by Ban’s office; what is Ban’s view now; etc. His response was: “I don’t have anything to add.”
The seemingly anodyne statement comes as a separatist strike and security lockdown has dragged on for nearly a month-and-a-half in Muslim-majority Kashmir, a region at the core of a long-running dispute between India and Pakistan. Analysts are worried that if New Delhi fails to check the growing protests, deaths and rights violations Kashmir could slide into a fresh phase of armed uprising that could hurt peace efforts between India and Pakistan.
So where did the U.N. guidance on Kashmir come from? Nesirky said it came from the U.N. secretariat, not the press office. U.N. officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity that the text had been vetted by Ban’s chief of staff, veteran Indian diplomat Vijay Nambiar.
Allegations surfaced in the Indian press suggesting that Farhan Haq, the U.N. spokesman who emailed three U.N.-based reporters the “guidance” on Kashmir, was Pakistani and had come up with the language on Kashmir by himself. On Aug. 6, Nesirky defended Haq, a U.S. citizen born in Washington, DC.
“I really take exception to the insinuations based on ethnicity that you’ve seen and I’ve seen in Indian publications,” he told reporters. “I firmly reject them. Not only are they offensive, they are wrong.”
The question remains — does this reflect Ban’s views on Kashmir? Privately U.N. officials say it does, though he would rather not speak publicly about the issue to avoid angering India, a politically powerful developing country and one of the top contributors of troops to U.N. peacekeeping missions around the world.
Every day, the U.N. press office issues statements on various issues. The headline on one recent press release was “Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s statement on floods in Pakistan.” The actual title of the press release, however, makes clear that it is Ban’s spokesman, not Ban himself, who is speaking: “Statement attributable to the Spokesperson for the Secretary-General on the floods in Pakistan.”
Similar to the Kashmir “guidance,” the statement on the flooding in Pakistan is in the third person as the spokesman explains to readers what Ban is doing and how he feels about the flooding: “In response to the tragic flood disaster in Pakistan, the Secretary-General has asked his Special Envoy for Assistance to Pakistan, Jean-Maurice Ripert, to travel to the country as soon as possible.”
U.N. officials say that this awkward wording has evolved from the fact that sometimes the secretary-general never sees the statements composed by his army of advisers and issued under his name by his press officers.
Or perhaps that wording also offers the U.N. secretariat a way to distance itself from language that backfires, as in the case of the Kashmir “guidance”?
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It gives me a lot of grief to see that Pakistanis are reduced to whining and posing as Kashmiris on Internet forums.
— There is no need for us to do that. just go read kashmiri blogs. learn from them how much kashmiris love India.
“Kashmir bane ga Pakistan”
Posted by Umairpk
Of course, why not! And while you’re still dreaming, u might as well all of India, Afghanistan, Nepal, Bangladesh(lol), Burma, Sri lanka, Central Asian countries etc as well.
Favorite activity of failures & losers of a perennial failed state: DAY DREAMING! haha
Of course, why not! And while you’re still dreaming, u might as well all of India, Afghanistan, Nepal, Bangladesh(lol), Burma, Sri lanka, Central Asian countries etc as well.
— Pakistan has no territorial designs on any other country unlike land-grabber India. Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka are not worried about pakistan’s intent. They do worry about India taking yet another enclave or interfering in their internal matters.
@This was a brilliant, paradigm shifting anecdote for me Rajeev. I will never forget it… for its shear stupidity.
Posted by mirusmtupsha
—In anycase, I did not expect you to get it and proved me right.
@Pak/India ratio is 1:10, yet we stand up to you win, lose or draw. Compare this to your record with a slight disadvantage against china. you got your collective a$$ torn up.”
Posted by mirusmtupsha
–Don;t you think your empty bravado is inconsistent with the official/public stance that India is an exietential threat to Pakistan?
We do not say China is an existential threat to India despite our loss and we do not give long winded explanations of India/Chian ratios to explain why we lost.
If you are hell bent upon being an enemey of India, be at least GRACEFUL enough to suck up the deafeats and 1971.
PS: Btw what does population ratio has to do with the outcocme of the war?
Pakis can keep barking all they want, kashmir will always remain a part of India. India has waited out the last 20 yrs, it’ll wait out some more till napakistan becomes a #1 failed state & breaks into 5. that’s a lot closer to reality than the wet fantasies, which pakis are used to dreaming.
@please note: there is nothing analogous to castism in islam. 14 centuries before america’s celebrated civil rights movement, islam declared all races to be equal”
–Posted by mirusmtupsha
–add to the above “and man and woman unequal until today”
@— Pakistan has no territorial designs on any other country unlike land-grabber India. Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka are not worried about pakistan’s intent. They do worry about India taking yet another enclave or interfering in their internal matters.
Posted by mirusmtupsha
—LAWL! Cannot say about others Bangladesh knows you cannot do a thing to them. If you could not keep them together, you sure cannot grab their land.
Look up a map and see where Nepal and SriLanka are withrespect to Pakistan and again rememeber 1971 in this context.
But thanks for not grabbing their land. You are so kind and generous superpower.
@bloggers,
I am convinced, Pakistan cannot survive, unless it maintains against India, hateful politics and propaganda as a tool for national unity.
What a pity.
Sorry, Umair, I do not wish it, but I think pakistan lacks the inertia to stay intact as one country. One day, when Pakistanis realize and wake up that they have been pointing their finger in the wrong direction, the consequences for the faujis will be dire. Pakistani’s will make their own judgement.
Dismemberment and disintegration will one day befall Pakistan.
@please note: there is nothing analogous to castism in islam. 14 centuries before america’s celebrated civil rights movement, islam declared all races to be equal”
–Posted by mirusmtupsha
Is that why an indian/pakistani/bangladeshi muslim, considered a second grade muslim & an african muslim considered a third grade muslims by the arabs?
your attempts at projecting islam as some sort of a broad-minded modern religion is hilarious, given your past & present.
@— There is no need for us to do that. just go read kashmiri blogs. learn from them how much kashmiris love India.
Posted by mirusmtupsha
@“Kashmir bane ga Pakistan”
Posted by Umairpk
–May be you two should talk to each other that official “Kashmir bane ga Pakistan” attitude is what Kashmiris are afraid of Pakistan.
Reports suggest that Kashmirs love Pakistan as much as they love India. The reason is they know Pakistan is a slimy and devious country with “Kashmir bane ga Pakistan” attitude while asking for self-determination.
Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan also felt the same. When the Congress party accepted the partition plan, and he had to join Pakistan he told the Cong party “You have thrown us to the wolves.”
Muslim poets who chose to go to pakistan ended up in jails and many fled back to India. You want a list let me know.
This complete newsreel with original narration shows Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru visiting Srinagar in November 1947. He is met by Sheikh Abdullah and the Maharajah of Kashmir.
Celebration of diversity and democracy over pakiism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGlcCNJSK wI
Dismemberment and disintegration will one day befall Pakistan.
—- Umair, Have you heard this prediction before? It sounds familiar.
forget it… for its shear stupidity.
Posted by mirusmtupsha
—In anycase, I did not expect you to get it and proved me right.
—- you douche, it’s a stupid story, i don’t know why you are so fond of it.
“how many pakistanis are there on blogs about india?”
that’s because there aren’t enough literate pakis out there, who can comment in english. madrassa education can teach u how to make a bomb but not how to read & write in english.
Pakis can keep barking all they want, kashmir will always remain a part of India. India has waited out the last 20 yrs,
— 20 years only? we are ready for centuries. That’s how we Muslims handle our business. I will teach my children well and they will teach their children and we will take what is ours in 2600 A.D. if need be. Pakistan the concept will ALWAYS live on. East Pakistan is no more but the concept of pakistan lives in the form of Bangladesh when they kicked your @$$es out in 1972 and termintated the ‘friendship’ treaty as soon as possible.
that’s because there aren’t enough literate pakis out there, who can comment in english.
– Indian mentality: one can only be literate if they know the language of your former colonial masters! lol. The british have left but colonialism remains in india. Here is some english for you: Eat $hit and die.
This complete newsreel with original narration shows Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru visiting Srinagar in November 1947. He is met by Sheikh Abdullah and the Maharajah of Kashmir.
– The kashmiris are celebrating because of the dirty lies nehru promised:
This list was given to me by a kashmiri blogger: chinaar
1)“That Government of India and Pakistan should make a joint request to U.N.O. to undertake a plebiscite in Kashmir at the earliest possible date.”JAWAHARLAL NEHRU (In telegram No. Primin-304 dated 8 November 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
2)“Ultimately, the final decision of settlement, which must come, has first of all to be made basically by the people of Kashmir…….”JAWAHARLAL NEHRU Statement at Press Conference in London, 16 January 1951, The Statesman, 18 January 1951).
3)“But so far as the Government of India are concerned, every assurance and international commitment in regard to Kashmir stands.”JAWAHARLAL NEHRU (Statement in the Indian Council of States; 18 May 1954).
4)“If, after a proper plebiscite, the people of Kashmir said, ‘We do not want to be with India’, we are committed to accept that. We will accept it though it might pain us. We will not send any army against them. We will accept that, however hurt we might feel about it, we will change the Constitution, if necessary.”JAWAHARLAL NEHRU (Statement in the Indian Parliament, 26 June 1952).
5)“Our view which we have repeatedly made public is that the question of accession in any disputed territory or State must be decided in accordance with wishes of people and we adhere to this view.”JAWAHARLAL NEHRU, (in telegram No. 402-Primin-2227 dated 27 October 1947 to Prime Minister of Pakistan repeating telegram addressed to Prime Minister of United Kingdom).
–add to the above “and man and woman unequal until today”
— Typical indian hater. Islam introduced progressive, feminist ideals and rights at a time when women were treated worse than cattle. this is more indian propaganda and muslims from all over the world should take note of this israel of south asia.
if India is so wonderful to its neighbors, have you ever come out of your bollywood studio and thought about why every neighbor of India is ready to provide military bases, ports to China without hesitation? ready to help china contain innocent mother india?
why does innately evil pakistan have good relations with nepal, bangladesh, sri lanka?
PS: Btw what does population ratio has to do with the outcocme of the war?
– you bufoon. your bufoonery knows no limits.
Is that why an indian/pakistani/bangladeshi muslim, considered a second grade muslim & an african muslim considered a third grade muslims by the arabs?
– first of all, the arab attitude towards muslims is a stereotype. perhaps you are referring to socio-economic discrimination which exists in all countries especially mother india.
second, Islam and Arabs are not synonymous. As for african muslims, you obviously don’t know anything. read up on hazrat bilal.
too many indians talking to me. talk amongst yourself, pick a representative then talk to me. also control your population.
Talk about Kashmir with any Indian, and see how they talk and display their insecurity sense. Kashmir will never be part of India, at best India will be bogged down with hundereds of thousands of troops there, to no avail. A nuclear Pakistan, fresh from regional victory in Afghanistan can jump start the 1989-style uprising at any moment.
Kashmir runs in our blood.
Kashmir is our jugular vein.
AZADI!
Umair,
Here is a statement from Washington Post:
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“The Indians are shell-shocked,” said a Western diplomat involved in Afghanistan policy. “They went in with more than a billion dollars, and now Pakistan is eating their lunch.”
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I don’t always agree with ISI but as Inzi would say “The boyaz did a good job” on the sticky/turning Afghan pitch. Now, ISI need to get their act together and facilitate ONE RESISTANCE GROUP dedicated to liberation of kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir using guerrilla tactics against military personnel only. All other groups need to be dismantled. Indians have become quite confident and need to be brought down a notch. They only believe in might-is-right so lets show them the might of freedom fighters.
Jumpstarting 1989 would require you to be flying. Right now you are crawling. Try walking first.
You are bombed, droned, flooded,toasted and roasted.
See if you can stop the heavily jumpstarted Shia-Sunni-ahmedi celebrations, all across Pakistan.
PRupee is heading to a nice round number. Another circulatioof the begging bowl is going on.
“I will teach my children well and they will teach their children and we will take what is ours in 2600 A.D.”
Do teach them! teach them how to beg! teach them how to blow bombs under each others azzes! teach them how to be as or more of a loser & failure than you are!
You effen c*&hutiya, it’s ONLY & ONLY in the minds of loser Pakis like you that India does not have good relations with it’s neighbors. The only country which India has bad relations is the TERRORIST, FAILED state of npakistan. India has good relations with Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc & is also building good relations with China. Indo-China trade is expected to surpass $200 bn in the next 3-5 yrs & very soon even the chinese will dump your FAILED & sorry azzes. Then you will have absolutely no one’s chest to thump on. Failed country, Loser nation: napakistan! haha
“Indian mentality: one can only be literate if they know the language of your former colonial masters! lol. The british have left but colonialism remains in india”
Posted by mirusmtupsha
you inbred s&^wine, I was reffering to this blog. Is it in english or some other language? It’s funny for a paki to talk about colonialism. Your failed state exists because of the peices of s*hit thrown your way, by the americans, british etc, which pakis like you swallow without hesitation. You & your country BEGGARISTAN have & always will be a slave of the west. Your tongues will forever be stuck in their azzholes haha.
Pakistan & Pakistanis remind me of a schizophrenic & delusional beggar, who sat in a dark ally covered in his own s*hit & filth, dreaming about ruling the world one day & barking obscenities at everyone walking by. People laughed at him & looked at him with contempt, disgust & pity. One day the beggar died, while a stray dog p*issed on his face. I can’t help but think that Pakistan’s end will be similar to that of the beaggar.
“A nuclear Pakistan, fresh from regional victory in Afghanistan can jump start the 1989-style uprising at any moment”
You may start in kashmir (although u r bankrupt, failed state) BUT WE WILL END the uprisings in Baluchistan, Pakhtunistan, Sindh etc. And when we say we’ll end it, we don’t mean, like idiots bleeding ourselves to death like u have. We will conclusively END it like we did in East Pakistan.
Black_Sabbath3:
“We will conclusively END it like we did in East Pakistan.”
-Try, but remember in 1971 Gen. Niazi surrendered, this time around Lt. Gen Khalid Kidwai would authorize a nuclear strike on India. Long Live Pakistan!
Your failed state exists because of the peices of s*hit thrown your way, by the americans, british etc, which pakis like you swallow without hesitation. You & your country BEGGARISTAN
— What does this make India which has taken much more aid than Pakistan?
remind me of a schizophrenic & delusional beggar, who sat in a dark ally covered in his own s*hit & filth, dreaming about ruling the world one day & barking obscenities at everyone walking by. People laughed at him & looked at him with contempt, disgust & pity. One day the beggar died, while a stray dog p*issed on his face.
— Sounds like a nice place this… Is it in India?
You may start in kashmir (although u r bankrupt, failed state) BUT WE WILL END the uprisings in Baluchistan, Pakhtunistan, Sindh et
— I will be sure to tell my family & friends about these uprisings you speak of. please call in advance so that we can coordinate against evil punjabis together.
We will conclusively END it like we did in East Pakistan.
— Heroic Bangladeshis fight like lions and these gaandphutt lals walk in and take all the credit. Is there a sati type ritual for lonely virgins such as black sabbath?
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ALL PAKISTANIS ALL OVER THE WORLD, PLEASE GIVE GIVE GIVE TO OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN PAKISTAN KP and AZAAD KASHMIR.
OUR PEOPLE NEED YOUR HELP! OUR GOVT. WILL DO NOTHING, IT IS UP TO US.
EVERYTHING HELPS.
HERE IS INFO
RED CRESCENT ICRC:
Accepting donations:
ASDA 6-6 Askari Bank G8 Markaz Islamabad
Foreign currency account number 0083-02800002
Bank Alfalah LTD Jinnah Road Rawalpindi
Telephone number: +92-51-9250404/5
Food Items are being accepted for donations: dry milk, non perishable food items, lentils, and water at the nearest Red Crescent office
NOT AN INCH! Even if you summon entire force from your bleeding a$$es.
“Heroic Bangladeshis fight like lions and these gaandphutt lals walk in and take all the credit.”
hahaha! Another cooked up LIE created by a son $1 a night paki randi & a paki pig. After YOUR SW**ine wimpistani army slaughtered 3 million bengalis, were the bengalis in any position to fight, c**hutiye? I know we raped your sorry c**nt of a nation pretty badly and it’s hard for u p*ussies to accept it but those are FACTS.
I just donated $21 to Pakistani flood victims through Unicef Canada. (https://secure.unicef.ca/portal/SmartDe fault.aspx?at=1380)
Will Pakistanis here own it up and thank me or should I expect more smoke coming out of Threeface’s & Umair’s a$$es!
With salt, pepper and vinegar OR flowers and sympathy (take your pick),
Seth
ALL PAKISTANIS, DON’T WIRE ANY MONEY TO ANY ACCOUNT REFEREED BY THE FRAUD B*A*STARD ABOVE. THE MAN IS A COMPULSIVE HATER JIHADI & HE WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY, GET A BOMB & BLOW HIMSELF IN A MOSQUE. IF YOU WANT TO DONATE MONEY FOR THE FLOOD VICTIMS, PLEASE DO SO TO A LEGIT CHARITABLE INSTITUTION. THANKS.
@Black_Sabbath3
“$1 a night”
Just curious, does one swipe card or insert coin in this arrangement?
The account info I provided is from dawn. Here is the link with info on Red Crescent amongst others.
http://forum.dawn.com/2010/08/06/rise-an d-reach-out/
Salaam.
– Usman
Another one bited the dust! everytime this sicko starts commenting on a thread, it just goes down the drain.
On another note, I encourage all Indians, Pakistanis & others to donate for relief of flood victims in Pakistan, if you haven’t done so already.
typo “bites” the dust
@Seth:
no card. only cash (bill or coins) OR 2 medium cans of pig food for the hubby & son
on second thoughts, I take back my last comment.
“Just curious, does one swipe card or insert coin in this arrangement?”
Posted by Seth09
card, coins, currency, all are accepted.
OPEN FOR BUSINESS 24/7
This blog was like a functioning democracy, let’s say like India…and then the Reuters people let jihadi spam and this place has turned into a shy@hole, let’s say like pakistan…
Jihadi posting seeking money from porkistanis is hilarious, as if the whole world doesn’t know the porkistanis depend on begging for living..
“this time around Lt. Gen Khalid Kidwai would authorize a nuclear strike on India”
Posted by Umairpk
Before any C*h*utiya or gandu wimpistani general of your’s grows the b*alls to do that, he would be well advised to change pakistan’s name to ‘Kabristan’ because that’s exactly what your failed country will become!
@Seth
very true.
‘porkistan’, i like that!
A resolution should be passed in the UN to change napakistan’s name. Here are some suggestions:
Terroristan
Beggaristan
Wimpistan
Porkistan
Failistan
Loseristan
C*h*utiyastan (full of ch*u..s)
Gandustan (full of g**dus)
F*^ckistan (has a history of gettin f****ed)
Rapistan (has a history of gettin raped)
on second thoughts, I take back my last comment.
— No need. I know your anti-islam, anti-muslim, anti-pakistan hatred very well.
Jihadi posting seeking money from porkistanis is hilarious, as if the whole world doesn’t know the porkistanis depend on begging for living..
— Yes, Pakistanis at home and abroad have no money. Only Indians have money. Every Indian is filthy rich. we know already. That is why 3 million work in terrible Islamic countries of the middle east. Poverty indexes and statistics are a conspiracy hatched by ISI against India.
— I am entertained by the lewd prostitution comments by Indians since there is no worse destination for pro_st_ituti_on than Mother India except maybe Thailand. With a history of “sacred” pro_st_ituti_on as part of Indo culture in the form of devdasism and a horrifying AIDS pandemic, we sure have some pot/kettle going on here.