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U.N. plays down “guidance” on Kashmir

August 4, 2010
U.N. chief Ban Ki-moons spokesman says Ban never said a word about Kashmir.

U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon's spokesman says "guidance" on Kashmir was not an official statement from Ban

(Updated August 6, 2010 at 5:05 p.m. EDT with new remarks from U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky.)

The United Nations is playing down a statement on Kashmir a U.N. spokesman sent to a small group of reporters last week. After India made clear that it was very unhappy with the language on Kashmir issued by the U.N. press office, the world body explained that U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon had  never uttered the offending words — at least not in an official statement.

This is the full text of what U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky has described as “media guidance” on Kashmir, as provided to Reuters by one of the reporters who received it by email on July 28:

“In relation to recent developments in Indian-administered Kashmir, the Secretary-General is concerned over the prevailing security situation there over the past month. He calls on all concerned to exercise utmost restraint and address problems peacefully.

“The Secretary-General welcomes the recent resumption of Foreign Minister-level talks between India and Pakistan. He encourages both sides to rekindle the spirit of the composite dialogue, which was initiated in 2004 and had made encouraging progress on some important confidence building measures, and to make renewed efforts to address outstanding issues, including on Jammu and Kashmir. He underlines the need for patience, perseverance and compromise on all sides.”

On Aug. 3 Nesirky played down that email during the daily U.N. briefing:  “The Spokesperson’s Office released to the media guidance which was prepared by the U.N. Secretariat, and that seems to have been taken out of context. This was not a statement of the Secretary-General.”

Nesirky was asked a number of other questions about the “guidance” — was it genuine; what was taken out of context; was it authorized by Ban’s office; what is Ban’s view now; etc. His response was: “I don’t have anything to add.”

The seemingly anodyne statement comes as a separatist strike and security lockdown has dragged on for nearly a month-and-a-half in Muslim-majority Kashmir, a region at the core of a long-running dispute between India and Pakistan. Analysts are worried that if New Delhi fails to check the growing protests, deaths and rights violations Kashmir could slide into a fresh phase of armed uprising that could hurt peace efforts between India and Pakistan.

So where did the U.N. guidance on Kashmir come from? Nesirky said it came from the U.N. secretariat, not the press office. U.N. officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity that the text had been vetted by Ban’s chief of staff, veteran Indian diplomat Vijay Nambiar.

Allegations surfaced in the Indian press suggesting that Farhan Haq, the U.N. spokesman who emailed three U.N.-based reporters the “guidance” on Kashmir, was Pakistani and had come up with the language on Kashmir by himself. On Aug. 6, Nesirky defended Haq, a U.S. citizen born in Washington, DC.

“I really take exception to the insinuations based on ethnicity that you’ve seen and I’ve seen in Indian publications,” he told reporters. “I firmly reject them. Not only are they offensive, they are wrong.”

The question remains — does this reflect Ban’s views on Kashmir?  Privately U.N. officials say it does, though he would rather not speak publicly about the issue to avoid angering India, a politically powerful developing country and one of the top contributors of troops to U.N. peacekeeping missions around the world.

Every day, the U.N. press office issues statements on various issues. The headline on one recent press release was “Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s statement on floods in Pakistan.” The actual title of the press release, however, makes clear that it is Ban’s spokesman, not Ban himself, who is speaking: “Statement attributable to the Spokesperson for the Secretary-General on the floods in Pakistan.”

Similar to the Kashmir “guidance,” the statement on the flooding in Pakistan is in the third person as the spokesman explains to readers what Ban is doing and how he feels about the flooding: “In response to the tragic flood disaster in Pakistan, the Secretary-General has asked his Special Envoy for Assistance to Pakistan, Jean-Maurice Ripert, to travel to the country as soon as possible.”

U.N. officials say that this awkward wording has evolved from the fact that sometimes the secretary-general never sees the statements composed by his army of advisers and issued under his name by his press officers.

Or perhaps that wording also offers the U.N. secretariat a way to distance itself from language that backfires, as in the case of the Kashmir “guidance”?

Comments

F*^ckistan (has a history of gettin f****ed)

— Really? Maybe this name is better suited for another country.

Ghaznavid Empire 963–1187
Mamluk dynasty 1206-1290
Khilji dynasty 1290-1320
Tughlaq dynasty 1320-1413
Sayyid dynasty 1414-1451
Lodhi dynasty 1451-1526
Mughal Empire 1526–1858
Durrani Empire 1747–1823
1761 Panipat III – Combined forces of Pushtuns & Balochis defeat Maratha army Northern India falls
The Second Battle of Tarain – Muhammad Ghori defeats Prithviraj Chauhan.
?1001: Mahmud Ghazni defeats the Hindu Shahi king Jayapala (A Janjua Rajput) near Peshawar
1021: Mahmud Ghazni defeats Tarnochalpal and annexes Punjab
Mahmud conquers Gujarat
Mahmud conquers Nagarkot
Mahmud conquers Thanesar
Mahmud conquers Gwalior
Mahmud conquers Ujjain
Mahmud defeats Chandellas of Khujarah
Mahmud defeats the Pratiharas of Kanauj
1527 Battle of Khanwa Babar defeats Rana Sanga Rajput confederates and takes Northern India

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As a kashmiri, originally from Shopian, I find the rhetoric between Indians & Pakistanis quite amusing. As always, they are using a kashmiri platform to hurl insults at each other & indulge in an online verbal war.

I would like to make it clear to the Indians that although, complete independence of Kashmir might not be a realistic option, the status quo will not be tolerated. We want autonomy in the real sense of the term & not just merely in lip service. We want a drastic reduction in military presence & justice for the victims. We want the Govt of India to take concrete measures towards the prosperity & betterment of our people.

To the Pakistanis, I’d like to say that please don’t speak on our behalf & stop dreaming of ‘kashmir banega pakistan’ because that will not happen. We either want complete independence or autonomy & joining Pakistan is not an option for us.

Finally, India & Pakistan should work out their differences & grant either independence or complete autonomy to the kashmir controlled by them respectively. If we can make kashmiri borders on both sides irrelevant, while being autonomous regions of the two countries, we’ll take that. Our people have suffered too much for too long. For god’s sake, let us live in peace now.

Aziz Javeed
Vancouver, BC
Canada

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Example of Indian duplicity by Mortal.

On another note, I encourage all Indians, Pakistanis & others to donate for relief of flood victims in Pakistan, if you haven’t done so already.

Next comment…

no card. only cash (bill or coins) OR 2 medium cans of pig food for the hubby & son :)

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“Aziz”, sounds good to me.

Here are some other opinions by kashmiris. None want irrelevant borders — but if that is what you want, Pakistan will be more than happy to support you.

Kashmir Forum
Kashmir Liberation Front
Hurriyat Conference
Mazameen-e-Ghai`b
~Kashmir~
Memoirs of a Kashmiri
Kashmir Views
Brainwaves Kashmir
Kashmir Currently
Tanveer and Kashmir
The Saints Are Coming
Saadat’s Blog
Timez of Kashmir
Kashmir Centre
[Kasheer]
Zarafshan
Sakooter Speaks
Propaganda against Kashmir countered
Candid Musings
United Kashmir
Occupied Kashmir – Taimur Ali
Kashur Kot-Sameer Bhat
Naveed Qazi’s blog
Kashir Koor
Abode of the Saints
A New World Order

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again, the ch**tiya, ba**ster*dized piggy c*unt brings up events of 963, 1200, 1700, 1800 etc when India became an independent sovereign nation in 1947. get your head checked, u r*eta*rd!

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@”No need. I know your anti-islam, anti-muslim, anti-pakistan hatred very well”
Posted by mirusmtupsha

Firstly, don’t flatter yourself with the delusion that I give a rat’s a$$ about your opinion of me and secondly, I wasn’t aware that a comment directed at you, is automatically directed towards Islam, all Muslims & all Pakistanis. Who do you think you are, the prophet Muhammad?

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“Here are some other opinions by kashmiris. None want irrelevant borders” — Posted by mirusmtupsha

ya, now that a real kashmiri has slapped on your face, try to patronize him with your nonsense. typical loser paki!

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@”We want a drastic reduction in military presence & justice for the victims. We want the Govt of India to take concrete measures towards the prosperity & betterment of our people”
Posted by Aziz_Javeed

Aziz, I will join you in demanding the above from the Indian Government.

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Kashmiri statements:

“Seventeen Indian slumdog occupation troops have been killed after being buried alive in an avalanche near Khilanmarg. It’s a time to celebrate, to offer prayers of thanks, to hand out treats, to hug our fellow Kashmiris for this joyful news. If you are really keen, let’s also light up some loud firecrackers.”

We want freedom from Pakistan and India – Dr. Waleed Khan

“The yard stick for success in the Indian and Pakistani bureaucratic and political institutions still seems to be the capability to impede resolution rather than to facilitate resolution” – Independent Kashmir

“To Kashmiris, there was never any doubt that the current so-called “elected” administration of Omar Abdullah is a fake, propped-up puppet of New Delhi. They have been imposed upon Kashmir just to save face for India at international levels when in reality all the strings are pulled in New Delhi.” – Yousuf (KashmirTruthbeTold)

“It is worthwhile to note here that there is not a single pro-India blogger from Kashmir. So much for India’s claims that Kashmiris are pro-India! Even Omar Abdullah and his stooges gave up blogging when they ran out of lies to continue to justify India’s occupation.”

“This post reflects clearly that how much helpless we Kashmiris are in front of the worlds savageous army who shoots kids of Kashmiris for fun.Allahs calamity has fallen on 17 personell of Slumdog army and this has provided us a reason to rejoice.Allahs says no calamity befalls on you unless what your hands have earned so Indeed this is a punishment for the unbated atrocities committed on Kashmiris whoose only crime is that they oppose the occupation of their land their air and their life by Slumdogs.” – Dr. Waleed Sheikh

“Again, keep aside your narrow minded prejudices. Have you gone through our blogs here? Exactly where do you see references to Pakistan media? Just because you Indians habitually take what your media spews as holy scriptures, doesnt mean us Kashmiris rely on Pakistan media.”

“After former Yugoslavia, it is India’s turn to naturally disintegrate (I cannot wait until the day when we can finally refer to India as “former India”). Just imagine, had the former unnatural federation of balkan states, called Yugoslavia, not unravelled, we would still be witnessing the grotesque bloodshed that the Serbs perpetrated during the 80?s and 90?s”

“Not only must the world censure India for it’s heinous acts in Kashmir, the world must also move toward policies that call for India’s disintegration. They should do this to ensure world peace.”
“You did not bear the humiliation that we living Kashmiris bear everyday. You stood up to the Indian dogs and resisted like brave men and women do. Sacrificing your lives for freedom, justice and honour”

As always, the official Indian response to local demands for self-determination has been to portray the Kashmiri freedom struggle as terrorism and a threat to Indian “democracy”. The insistence of this rhetoric borders on hypocrisy. – KashmirLiberationFront

All Parties Hurriyet Conference Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has strongly denounced the illegal detention of pro-movement leaders and activists. – JKAPCH

“And while thou native were riddled with bullets. My long dead soul was chasing dreams. While blood oozed and they watched unconcerned. While thou were gasping for each labouring breath” – ~ Kahsmir ~

“Kashmiris on both sides of the Line of Control and across the world observed Indian Republic Day, today, as Black Day – Kashmir Freedom Movement” – Memoirs of a Kashmiri

At least 1 lakh patients suffering from conflict-induced trauma as also suicidal tendencies in Kashmir have visited psychiatric consultancy centre in Government Psychiatric Hospital during 2008. – Kashmir View
A Kashmiri Terrorist,11 months old ambushed Indian army. His killers Indian Occupational army are roaming free and looking for a new prey.Is there anyone to stop them?

When people see an oppressor but do not prevent him from (doing evil), it is likely that Allah will punish them all.-Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Source: Abu Dawood and Al-Tirmidhi

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A comment from a Kashmiri:

Sir,

I am a Kashmiri and was very happy to see a write up by a Pakistani brother. One thing I would like to mention here is that although Kashmiris predominantly want Independence, our relationship with you is like that of blood brothers, Insha Allah one day we will live side by side just like how Countries in EEU live or even better just like how Wales n England live side by side under one umbrella.

India is the most deceitful, biased, crooked n undemocratic country in the world. The democracy of India is just limited to holding elections n over 40% of the people elected r goons with a blatant criminal record.

In my humble Kashmiri opinion INDIA as a democracy is the biggest,greatest psych-ops scandal of the 20th century. It is anything but a democracy.

Gus Kormakh Khudayas Hawali( May God protect you brother)

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It is better to die at the hands of the Indian slum dogs than see our mothers,sisters and daughters ra ped. It is better to die than watch Indian slum dogs use our kids aged 12 and 13 as target practice.

Brother we have no choice but to keep our struggle going on. The saddest part is that under president Musharraf Pakistan gave away too much ground to the devious Indians. This has been a major setback to us Kashmiris as India was able to portray our just political struggle as nothing but International Terrorism. Now Zardari talks about future generations solving Kashmir—-has he gone mad or what? India is continuously changing the demographics of J&K. In Jammu division, it has managed to settle hundreds of thousands of punjabi hindus/sikhs and if it continues at this rate, India will more than welcome a UN mediated plebiscite in the next 20-30 years.

I hope our Pakistani brothers reverse Musharaf’s policies n continue their support towards their Kashmiri brethren. Brother we have lost more than 120,000 our brothers n sisters to Indian bullets…..we need you more than ever before in this hour of grief n sorrow. Please don’t leave our side as you are our only comrades in this bit -chy world.

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MJ Akbar writes a beautiful piece:
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com  /TheSiegeWithin/entry/a-valley-riven-by -anger

“Estimates differ but the death toll in Kashmir between June and the first week of August is around 40. Rampaging Muhajirs, outraged at the murder of their Shia leader, Syed Raza Haider on Monday, have killed more than 80 and injured hundreds of Pashtuns in Karachi. This was not a Hindu-Muslim riot; this was Muslim-Muslim carnage. Muhajirs are UP-Bihar migrants who left their land in 1947 for the Promised Land. Six decades later, they need private militias to defend themselves because they offend Pathans in a “pure” country that has virtually eliminated “infidels” from its demography.

It is an evil moment in history when a corpse-count becomes the comparative difference between two nations. A fact is staring at us: 1947 unhinged Muslims of the subcontinent, and a once-cogent community is split politically and psychologically, inflamed by passions that veer between unhealthy fear, violent anger and dysfunctional dreams. If Kashmiri Muslims believe they can achieve independence, then they understand neither India nor Pakistan.”

IF KASHMIRI MUSLIMS BELIEVE THEY CAN ACHIEVE INDEPENDENCE, THEN THEY UNDERSTAND NEITHER INDIA NOR PAKISTAN.

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God has made blood relations are for sucking blood only – Bangladeshis were blood brothers too, you guys drank their blood instead.

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@beggar-blogger,

What about my $21 donation? Albeit, I’m sure it would reach the needy flood victims in Pakistan (don’t think UNICEF distributes aid through Pakistani Army), I was hoping to see a courtesy nod from the freelance beggar. Anyways, my act has accomplished its real purpose and I’m satisfied with it.

When are you going to post “we beg you” in context of Kashmir again? It was very sweetly amusing to see a Pakistani’s passion for fighting someone else’s battle and getting so deeply involved to forsake his own dignity. Once more, once more!

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No one could have said it better…Bravo MJ Akbar.

One consistent trait of paki army is to overestimate their capabilities and underestimate India. Million things are collapsing in the paki country, paki pm is loudly begging for aid, things are going to get much worse if they are already not worse enough…and paki army thinks they are “liberating” Kashmir..

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G-W: “Dismemberment and disintegration will one day befall Pakistan.”

Pakistan’s history seems to track with that of Aurangzeb’s regime. Aurangzeb, despite having the largest area under his rule in the sub-continent, never spent his time governing. He spent all his life in conflicts. For 28 years he spent his time in tents fighting for expanding his empire into the Deccan. As soon as he died, his empire collapsed from within. Aurangzeb negated all the progress achieved under Akbar in forging amity between various ethnic groups inside India. Akbar spent a considerable amount of his time governing his empire. Aurangzeb killed off all his siblings and their families. India became like current day Afghanistan and turned into a swamp. It made it very easy for the British East India company to walk in and take over the entire sub-continent.

If we look at Pakistan, they have one and only one thing – their military. And this military has eagerly taken part in conflicts – regional and global. The whole country has become one Jihad factory. Nothing has been done to build a stable nation. Pakistan now has more advanced nuclear arsenal and delivery systems than India. They do not seem to know where to draw the line. They have gone beyond nuclear parity with India. With chaos, economy in shambles, corruption, radicalism etc they have turned their country into the next Afghanistan. All it is going to take is one trigger like Aurangzeb’s death. Pakistan is going to implode and that is going to make today look like a picnic.

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Some more introspection, by Nadeem Pracha (Dawn):

“Pakistani society is going through a gradual breakdown. A number of us are lashing out, hoping to find all kinds of enemies to attack for our misfortunes. India, Israel, the US, the UK, Ahamdis, Hindus, Christians, Barelvi, Shias… President Zardari, anyone or everyone but our own individual acts and morals.

It is an act of selective nihilism in which most Pakistanis refuse to trust or listen to state institutions and the government; but then let this hard mixture of cynicism and defiance melt away when engaged by clever, media-savvy chameleons.

The latter make a name and a game out of giving vent to all the repressed strains of religious bigotry, political hatred and delusions of grandeur now brewing in the collective psyche of middle-class Pakistan. It reminds one of the damaged and hurt Germany on the eve of Hitler’s take-over.

A country ravaged by economic downturns, violence and low self-esteem, and looking for ‘enemies’ (Jews, communists, gypsies, blacks) to pin the blame on. This attitude became fascist Germany’s rallying cry for regeneration, but ended up in its own destruction.

We already have the army fighting a battle with armed fanatics. But what about a lot of those working in offices and studying in schools and colleges? These are ‘educated’ folks who may not be armed or look like the Taliban, but many have views close to what the fanatics advocate.

These are the people who would exhibit more disgust at the sight of a politician than they would at the sight of blown up bodies of innocent men, women and children; people who would scream vengeance at the plight of Dr Afia Siddiqui but look the other way when a woman is gang raped in their own Islamic republic; people who would bribe a cop to avoid a traffic violation ticket and yet find themselves above corruption.

The ‘educated’ today require an education based on facts and truth instead of what they were taught at school as ‘history’ and ‘ethics.’

An education that highlights the importance of tolerance, plurality and democracy instead of the kind of education most of us continue to be given at schools and by the media, which is based on arrogance and paranoia against imagined enemies.”

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This piece started off being on Kashmir and as usual has descended into the usual to-and-fro. Sometimes, I wonder who is the intended audience since no one seems to be listening.

My ongoing concern seems to be that India has “lost” Kashmir. Even the Indian press has begun to express a sense of hopelessness.

http://bit.ly/c0vAeE
http://bit.ly/bCPcw6

The question is not so much who’s to blame as what do we do now? I guess I may be forgiven for thinking a velvet divorce is the best option. Perhaps it’s only the Kashmir valley that wants out and not Jammu or Ladakh, but matters seem to have reached a point of no return, and I’m not optimistic that “good governance” can make much difference now. An amicable goodbye may not be such a bad thing. The focus should now be on the logistics of such a separation if we are to avoid another bloodbath like Partition.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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(I cannot post a comment. Reuters, please look into your website!)

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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(I don’t understand why it is so difficult to post a comment. Reuters, please do some urgent debugging of your site!)

This piece started off being on Kashmir and as usual has descended into the usual to-and-fro. Sometimes, I wonder who is the intended audience since no one seems to be listening.

My ongoing concern seems to be that India has “lost” Kashmir. Even the Indian press has begun to express a sense of hopelessness.

http://bit.ly/c0vAeE
http://bit.ly/bCPcw6

(to be continued)

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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This is a trivial comment to test the Reuters site.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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This is a trivial comment to test the Reuters website.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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Aurangzeb, despite having the largest area under his rule in the sub-continent, never spent his time governing.

— Pray to all of your gods that this man gave you a country that never existed prior to his conquests.

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Maybe I should trying posting something abusive for a change. That seems to be the magic formula for success!

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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I tried prefacing my comment by calling everyone else a so-and-so, but Reuters wasn’t fooled :-) . I still can’t post.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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Reuters detects “duplicate comments”, but doesn’t display the original!

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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(Retrying without links)

This piece started off being on Kashmir and as usual has descended into the usual to-and-fro. Sometimes, I wonder who is the intended audience since no one seems to be listening.

My ongoing concern seems to be that India has “lost” Kashmir. Even the Indian press has begun to express a sense of hopelessness.

(Links removed)

The question is not so much who’s to blame as what do we do now? I guess I may be forgiven for thinking a velvet divorce is the best option. Perhaps it’s only the Kashmir valley that wants out and not Jammu or Ladakh, but matters seem to have reached a point of no return, and I’m not optimistic that “good governance” can make much difference now. An amicable goodbye may not be such a bad thing. The focus should now be on the logistics of such a separation if we are to avoid another bloodbath like Partition.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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NFP is an idio-t, Indian military has made invaded pakistan’s siachen glacier and turned it into a typical indian slum, they murder kashmiris daily yet NFP thinks we have imagined a threat out of nowhere.

Reuters please help Ganesh. He is the only decent Indian here.

Rest of you haters, listen up — I have to go but don’t you dare put your dhotis down. I will be back very soon.

– The legendary and incomparable — Mirza Usman

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.

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Links do seem to be the problem!

Try bit.ly/c0vAeE and bit.ly/bCPcw6

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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@Kashmiri’s

You can kiss your culture and your aspirations for a country good bye.

Pakistan will occupy you and erase the existence of your culture and rewrite your history.

India has tried to keep Kashmiri’s happy, but Pakistan has readicalized your youth and hijacked their potential to be somebody other than puppet brick throwers for Pakistan.

As Bengal was ravaged by Pakistan, so will all of Kashmir, if Pakistan steps foot.

One day when Kashmiri’s wake up and realize that the invisible hands of Islambad have been playing with their futures as a front from Sunni empire expansion, it will be too late for Kashmiri’s, Kashmir nation will be no more, but another occupied country by Pakistan.

Pakistan wants Kashmir land and Kashmiri’s are unknowingly depleting their sovereignty as they are being kept distracted by India the green eyed devil. The devil is actually in the exact opposite direction.

After Kashmir, the Pakistani’s keep wanting to claw away land from India proper and that will never happen not in 10billion years even.

Kashmiri’s need to wake up and take charge of their futures and leave religion out of this, this has to do purely with cultural and ethnic sovereignty.

India will deliver on promises and will give more than 50 percent, as long as Pakistan delivers on 1948 UN resolutions.

Pakistan has done an exemplary job of almost wiping out Kashmiri culture the last saved portion of Kashmiri culture is actually saved, oddly enough in the portion of Kashmir that is in “struggle” with India.

No wories about that, Pakistan wants to destroy, take over and occupy even Indian Kashmir for its own.

As Umair, a Pakistani blogger said “Kashmir Banega Pakistan”.

I hope Kashmiri’s can sleep at night while Pakistan has parked a trojan horse in their yard and slowly chewing Kashmir up for themselves.

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@Mirza,

You must feel perpetually defiled and dirty, knowingly having Hindu blood in your body. You see generations back, looters, thugs, rapists, genociders and murderers like Aurangzeb thought it be best to not work for an honest living, but steel from others.

It does not matter anymore. India has risen above oppressive Islamic and Colonial occupation and persevered and preserved the integrity of its culture and nation for the most part.

India is a global grade nation, with lots of billionaires, the best IT people on earth, a large amount of exports, its own Aerospace and Defence research and development and the most educated diaspora in NA, UK and world over. Indians are preferred and liked.

If you get a chance, please watch the new show “Outsourced” or “Harold and Kumar”. We Indians do not take ourself too seriosly and don’t mind integrating with others. Indians are becoming a part of mainstream culture. The last I checked, Pakistan is always in the news due to terrorism, aid money or other matters like wikigate, but generally, nothing noteworthy or good.

It is a sad thing that some of you Pakistani’s, that all you have got left is the glory of yesteryear, no real futures to look forward and burning jealousy at how well India has done. Terrorism and militantism is not working out the way you hoped, and it has spread the militant cancer, so all you got left is swear words and jibber jabber, nothing wholesome or honest to say.

Just angry, tirades and name calling, go ahead and have it, we continue to burn ahead and leave you way behind, as the Indians look towards the moon and the stars. Your rantings and savage ways are becoming irrelevant. If it brings honour and peace to your soul to tear up Indians and make fun of them, go ahead and waste your time, as you have nothing more productive to offer for yourself, or your country men.

In the Koran, I believe it says to be grateful everyday when you wake up, even if you have nothing. Oddly enough, most Hindus actually do have this philosophy. We will share even the other half of our roti and dal, even if there is not enough for us. This actually a christian like principle too.

Are you grateful for anything other than bad will on Indians?

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You first care about the knot of your checkerd tahmat. Your pinky may show up and we don’t want the entertainer khusra here to be stoned to death by few mullahs.

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Randi bachha Mirza ‘ch*u*tiya’ usman,

Don’t worry, we’ll keep our dhotis on & up and keep banging your beloved F*u*ckistan till it becomes ‘Nonexistantistan’! hahaha

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“NFP is an idio-t” -Posted by mirusmtupsha

Yes, anyone who does not agree with this bigoted, dim-witted & hate-mongering self-proclaimed journalist c*h*u*tiya, is an idiot. I’m sure Pracha would consider it as a compliment coming from this jerk off.

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(The Reuters bug is back, even though I posted no links this time.)

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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Testing

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(Part 1)

Both Indians and Pakistanis ascribe far too much power to the other country to do damage to theirs. Perhaps that’s why there’s so much venom. In actual fact, the other country has far less power to screw things up for us than we ourselves do. We can each see that this is true in the case of the other country’s problems, but we can’t see it in our own!

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(Part 2)

Case study 1 (Bangladesh 1971): Much as the Pakistanis may blame India for plotting nefariously to break up their country, India would have been powerless to do anything to a united Pakistan. It was the West Pakistanis who screwed things up for themselves, first by denying Sheikh Mujibur Rehman’s victory in the national election, then embarking on a genocide of the Bengalis. India’s role was opportunistic and timely, but let no one be deceived about its power to effect a breakup alone. The will of the Bengali people to be free of West Pakistan was what was primarily responsible for the freedom of Bangladesh. India’s support was a help, not the main cause.

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Case study 2 (Kashmir today): Much as Indians may blame Pakistan-sponsored terror for the situation in Kashmir, it’s undeniable that the Indian government has screwed up big time in Kashmir.

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(Part 4 – this is the problematic bit)

R i g g e d e l e c t i on s, p o o r g o v e r n m e n t a n d n e a r – c o n s t a n t p o l i c e / m i l i t a r y o p p r e s s i o n h a v e d o n e m o r e t o a l i e n a t e K a s h m i r i s t h a n a n y t h i n g P a k i s t a n c o u l d h a v e d o n e. P a k i s t a n i s u p p o r t h a s b e e n u s e f u l, b u t w h a t h a s f u e l l e d t h e K a s h m i r i l o a t h i n g f o r I n d i a i s n e i t h e r t e r r o r i s m n o r s o m e p a n – I s l a m i c s e n t i m e n t, b u t q u i t e s i m p l y N e w D e l h i ‘ s b u n g l i n g a n d w o r s e.

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It’s pathetic to hear Chidambaram ask the people of Kashmir for more time and patience. What have successive governments been doing?

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So let’s stop harping on external threats. They’re overblown compared to the deadly potential of our own mistakes to impact us.

Pakistan can covet as much of Indian territory as it wants. It will only gain what India gives it on a platter through sheer incompetence and bad management.

Pakistanis would similarly do well to look inwards rather than outwards to solve the problems of their country. India has little power to dislodge Baluchistan from Pakistan – bad Pakistani policies do.

As one of my college lecturers told the class, “I don’t *give* marks. You *get* marks.”

Regards,
Ganesh

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(Reuters should really fix its software. This is ridiculous.)

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Aziz Javeed:

@I would like to make it clear to the Indians that although, complete independence of Kashmir might not be a realistic option, the status quo will not be tolerated. We want autonomy in the real sense of the term & not just merely in lip service. We want a drastic reduction in military presence & justice for the victims. We want the Govt of India to take concrete measures towards the prosperity & betterment of our people.”
Aziz Javeed
Vancouver, BC
Canada

—I FULLY support what you said above and I agree that no one should speak on behalf of kashmiris.

But don;t you find sad that Pakistan has hijacked the Kashmir issue and are calling the shots as far as it boils down to kashmiri leadership? Where is the true leadership for Kashmir. Which Kashmiri leader would you like to represent the Kashmiris? ‘kashmir banega pakistan’ policy is formal in Azad Kashmir and with the given Kashmiri leadership, no wonder Pakistan wants to extend that to Kashmir in India. Asking for self-determination when they have pre-determined is laughable.

Kashmiris will live in peace when they get together and do not give control to others to decide. But this also means that leadership should not be blind about what to ask. Asking for the impossible is not possible. this may sound harsh but I guess you sense it already. However not every Kashmiri senses that.

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Great work there Black Sabbath!!! Jihadi beggar tackled well.

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Another indication of “bad” relations between Indian & Bangladesh:

“India gives $1 billion loan to Bangladesh”

http://way2online.com/?p=79205

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Sorry I do not to be rude, Perhaps it has not been realised that the english is a germanic language and requires the knowledge of maths and logic. There are many other languages including Indian,arabic and Italians which are more suitable for expression of feelings and emotions. There are some including Mr Mirza who concentrate on fact and events which I find very interesting, but please use your own language in romans to better express your emotions. Mr Mirone

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@Mortal1

And people thought I was off, when I said that Pakistan is starting to resemble pre-WWII Germany. Glad to see that Paracha has reached the exact same conclusion.

Back then, the Nazis talked about race and how that made the better than their neighbours. Today, Pakistanis talk about religion and how this makes them better than their neighbours.

That’s a simplistic explanation, of course. But culturally, there are some very striking historical parallels between Germany under the Nazis and the current state of Pakistan. And the trends here should be worrying, not just for Pakistanis, but for their neighbours and the world.

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Clown: “Aurangzeb, despite having the largest area under his rule in the sub-continent, never spent his time governing.

— Pray to all of your gods that this man gave you a country that never existed prior to his conquests.”

Aurangzeb never gave anything to anyone. His goal was not to create a huge nation for others. It was for himself. And in the bargain, he made mostly enemies and no friends. His own sons turned against him. Your ignorance clearly shows. Like Aurangzeb’s empire that collapsed from within, Pakistan is on the same brink. That’s what I was pointing at. But your pea-brain did not pick that up.

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@”And the trends here should be worrying, not just for Pakistanis, but for their neighbours and the world.”
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More of a reason for the world to collectively disarm Pakistan, of it’s nukes. Imagine, what Hitler would’ve done, if he had nukes!

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