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12:52 September 19th, 2008

Not everyone a fan of the ‘Paulson plan’ to mop up toxic debt

Posted by: Emily Church
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Wall Street’s cheering the Paulson Plan - a multi-billion-dollar taxpayer-funded effort to contain the credit market crisis. But a backdraft is underway in the blogosphere. Strategist-blogger Barry Ritholtz lays it out here in The Big Picture:

We now see that the grand experiment of deregulation has ended, and ended badly. The deregulation movement is now an historical footnote, just another interest group, and once in power they turned into socialists.

paulson2.JPGComments rolling into Calculated Risk are uniformly negative, with the two presidential candidates coming in for some scorn for supporting the asset relief plan.

A temporary ban on short-selling from the SEC is drawing some arrows as well from Zac Bissonnette in BloggingStocks:

It’s clear why the SEC is now banning it: this isn’t about leveling the playing field or making the market more fair or efficient. This about the SEC using its power to manipulate the market upward.

Some close to the Street were critical of the ramifications too. “Wall Street has discovered a great business where the upside is potentially unlimited, but the downside is ultimately put on the taxpayers’ tab,” Cary Leahey, economist and managing director of Decision Economics told Reuters.

109 comments so far

A free bottle of wine anyone? A free dinner anyone? A free holiday anyone? Well it seemed as if was free at the time, didn’t it. Who’s to blame? Greedy politicians hungry for acclaim and votes, tacitly allowing cheap money to fuel any purchase that allowed the feel good factor to continue. Greedy consumers who just wanted to “feel good”, never mind the consequence. Well, the consequence has just arrived. The party is over and the tax payers will pick up the tab. The probability is there was no alternative to what I perceive was the approach to finacial meltdown that perhaps is currently lying wounded - but not dead. What now? Inflation and a weak US$ - and that’s the positive prognosis. p.s. If all the now unemployed “bankers” stayed home, what would the difference be?????

- Posted by Stephen Deen

http://www.michael-hudson.com/interviews  /080917AIGbailout.html

- Posted by chris

What I find utterly stunning is that such a big deal is made of a $700bn nominal figure - when, after careful consideration, it is obvious that this is not the quantification that matters.

To evaluate the scheme, it is critical that we understand how the assets to be purchased (or lent against, or swapped) will be valued… or, “what haircuts will be applied” and how losses will be accounted - and the chain of responsibility when this arises. This must also be considered in the context of credit derivative markets (CDS - especially) where intervention could have some extraordinarily perverse consequences.

- Posted by Steve

One of the main principles on which global capitalism is built is that if you cock it up, you’re on your own, and if you go under, you go under. This rescue is spectacularly contrary to that principle, and as such can only have been justified on one ground, and one ground alone: without it, the entire US and therefore global banking system was going down the toilet. Whether that was the case, I don’t know, and I suspect that whether one takes comfort from the rescue, or is horrified at the implications of it being necessary in the first place, depends on one’s philosophy of life.

- Posted by Matthew

I quibble with the phrase, “not everyone is a fan.”

It’s actually hard to find many fans of Paulson’s debacle, except Paulson himself.

Dems and Repubs. in Congress are showing no love; many are outright calling it unacceptable. Neither presidential candidate has embraced it. Both, at minimum, say they have major problems with it.

So, given the facts, the headline really should read something other than it does.

Like: “Not many like Paulson Plan.”

That would hew more closely to reality.

Cheers.

- Posted by Douglas Watts

Americans are too complacent, indifferent, disconnected and, frankly, stupid, to realize they should be out in the streets protesting this governmental folly. So they’ll pay come tax time (an average of $3000 per taxpayer) and the economy will right itself much more slowly than it would have otherwise.

- Posted by John Tom

With Govt liabilities now topping $15Trillion + at last count with assumption of all this debt, the average service on interest ALONE is $750 Billion per year (5% avg assumption).

Chew on that when Obama, Bush, McCain, Paulson, et. all come up with their next stupid and meaningless soundbites. The debt is yours, they have theirs (wealth that is)and we are all the suckers with this anchor tied around our necks.

- Posted by Brandon

We have to demand different candidates in this election. We cannot elect EITHER candidate. What to do? This whole system has become a joke.
I think we need to redo the conventions and nominate at least ONE major party candidate who is not an idiot and self-interested traitor. Funny, Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who had the balls to talk about this stuff and he was right on the money. I think we need him as the candidate.

- Posted by Brandon

Pontius Pilate, a Roman Governor who ordered the cruxifiction of Jesus Christ, famously asked Him: “What is truth?” Just as during the era of imminent destruction to the Roman Empire, TRUTH is very arbitrary and “relative” in our society today. Everyone’s utterances are taken as “factual” truths, even when they are just clueless opinions!

You can’t have a “democracy” when notions of absolute truth or a common deference to agreed upon standards of excellence have been trashed. On what basis do I take your word or your numbers to be factual and best approximating the “whole truth, and nothing but the truth”?! There is none, so I just go with whatever seems to align best with my perceptions at the moment …

So all folk venting and blowing off about what GW or Paulson or Bernanke or Wall St wiz’s are doing are simply contributing to entropy.

Not only do we reflect cluelessness, but really, can you do anything about what they are hatching and executing?

Your individual best hope is to seek and find salvation in the one who was cruxified for yours and my sins: Jesus Christ (Yeshua). He is Truth. Yield to Him while it is still Today! Tomorrow may be too late for you.

Shalom.

- Posted by Paul

We need to try these lunatics for treason—both the deceitful and incompetent aristocrats and their thieving feudal lords, and stow them in cages deep within the earth to live with their like-kind. We have become, in short order, the center ring of the circus for all the countries of the world to mock and deride. Democracy? Capitalism? These are fairy tales the rich tell the weary. Was it not a few years ago that Wall Street pilfered the retirement accounts of the American people in the Dot.Com festival? Their hearts now desire money not yet made. The American Dream has thus become indentured servitude.

However, there is one thing that cannot be stolen and that is a desire among her people for truth and for justice!

- Posted by Daniel

They have raped the markets with unsound (some say criminal) business practices and now they are going to be bailed out at taxpayer expense? This is bunk! We should allow these businesses to fail. Only then will Wall Street think twice about such foolishness in the future.

If the powers-that-be insist on a “bailout”, we should start funding this corporate welfare by seizing the personal assets of this administration. When those resources are exhausted, only then should the taxpayer be involved.

Sheesh, why should we be looking for foreign enemies when we have “friends” like Wall Street and Washington around??

- Posted by Emil

From a European/Greek point of view, I think we all have something to gain from this billionaire’s bailout. Americans are finally starting to understand that the New York and Washington political and financial elites of the US are just THIEVES! No one in the US seemed to care when they stole Iraq’s oil, or when they made billions from child labor in China. Now that they’re stealing 700 billion dollars from their pockets, Americans are finally realizing how dangerous this whole gang is. Is it really an awakening of the stupid? Who knows? We should never underestimate their stupidity!

- Posted by Nontas

Check out michael hudson of islet. He has details of this crisis that noone else owns up to

- Posted by mark

Who is the government going to tax to get this $700,000,000,000? Putting this in perspective, the US Census Bureau American Factfinder, 2007, lists 94,817,488 full-time American workers. At $700,000,000,000 bailout divided by those earning money, the debt per worker is $9,382.60. Now I think that the government ought to return this tax money to those who paid the taxes in the first place and in the form of a 5 year, 6.25% annuity at the very least. That would return the money back to the taxpayers at a rate of $2,110.65 per year over a 5 year period. Of course, if the tax is progressive, as it should be, then the annuity principle should be adjusted progressively too.

- Posted by Realinvestor

We are being rushed into this bailout without knowing
anything about the ramifications. Will this solve the problem or just create more? The individuals at the top
should be prosecuted, both business and government. The
buck does not seem to stop anywhere.

- Posted by Mary Jo McGinley

The real problem here wasn’t deregulation or free market capitalism. What everyone is missing is that we haven’t had a deregulated, free market for decades. Between Greenspan’s aggressive asymetrical approach to injecting liquidity when the market was under stress and the unatural buying of US Dollar assets by the Chinese government to keep their import machine going, we had two huge non-free mkt forces impacting asset values. These two forces created excess liquidity that prevented capitalism from self correcting. Its that simple.

- Posted by m

The taxpayer again. And again and again. The best we’ve done so far was with Bill Clinton, a Democratic president with a Republican congress, and even though we had budget surpluses during his tenure he still left office with a higher national debt than when he stepped in. So that’s the final word. What’s the deficit now? 9 or 10 trillion? Don’t worry. We can handle it. More debt is better, right Mr. Paulson? So it just keeps getting better and better!

- Posted by R. Bowers

Basically this financial crisis was produced by those
CEOs from investment banks such as Goldman Sack,Morgan Stanley etc. They created some sort of financial tools or packages to expand their profit base so that in the end they get their bonuses before they retire.

Unfortunately, the consequences of irresponsible lending had led to this credit crunch. Traditionally this would be resolved through the free market system. But now the U.S.government wants the tax payers to take the responsibility, in the name of ‘maintaining the financial stability or preventing job loss’.

First of all, it is not fair. Secondly it is going to change the nature of the U.S. market from a free market to a socialist market with heavy government intervention.

In fact by proposing the 700 billion dollar programme is purely a political action because they are going use tax payers’ money to bail out the mistakes made by the Republican government in the last 8 years. Deep in nature, they are only throwing 700 billion of tax payers’ money to buy time until the November general election.

However,there are many smart Democrats in the Congress. They would be able to judge how the republican government is politicizing the financial management of country which is not really good for the national interest. Instead of solving the problem, this proposal could only delay the crisi for only a couple of months.

To conclude, the near 1 trillion Dollar tax payers’ money should not be spent indirectly on helping the Repuclicans to win the next election.

- Posted by W. Ho

Is this another WMD type scare? How much can we believe. They lied and overplayed the situation the last time. Now the want another $ 700 billion after the $ 700 billion for Iraq. And they don’t want oversight. Plus they want to use private contractors to help carry it out. The only way you can profit from this is too start your own “BlackWater” type of firm and get in on the scam.

- Posted by Don

The short sellers squawk because gambling in the market is their life. The essence of shorting is the borrowing of shares. This alone increases the supply of shares available to be bought. And increased supply always drives down prices. Right? So shorter #1 shorts and drives down the price. Shorter #2, seeing the price dip, shorts some too. Shorter #3 does too. And the shares tumble. I think shorting should be banned. And the loaner who is loaning out the shares should be taxed to the hilt just in case the clever gamblers find a loophole.

- Posted by Realinvestor

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