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	<title>Comments on: Lipper: Active vs. Passive, Round 3,462</title>
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		<title>By: GerardVanDam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/globalinvesting/2012/06/07/lipper-active-vs-passive-round-3462/comment-page-1/#comment-17426</link>
		<dc:creator>GerardVanDam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the offer to send me your report. I&#039;ll definitely contact Joel.

Some information for other readers. This is probably no news to you:

Carhart (1997) has split &#039;survivorship bias&#039; into &#039;survivor bias&#039; and &#039;look-ahead bias&#039;.

&#039;Survivor bias&#039; = Dead portfolios are excluded from the sample.

&#039;Look-ahead bias&#039; = methodology requires funds to exist for a specified period of time (in this blog: 1, 3 or 10 years).

In using rolling 1 year returns (to grasp &#039;survivorship bias&#039;) the effect of &#039;look-ahead bias&#039; was reduced. &#039;Survivor bias&#039; was already covered in using the closed/dead fund database.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the offer to send me your report. I&#8217;ll definitely contact Joel.</p>
<p>Some information for other readers. This is probably no news to you:</p>
<p>Carhart (1997) has split &#8216;survivorship bias&#8217; into &#8216;survivor bias&#8217; and &#8216;look-ahead bias&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8216;Survivor bias&#8217; = Dead portfolios are excluded from the sample.</p>
<p>&#8216;Look-ahead bias&#8217; = methodology requires funds to exist for a specified period of time (in this blog: 1, 3 or 10 years).</p>
<p>In using rolling 1 year returns (to grasp &#8216;survivorship bias&#8217;) the effect of &#8216;look-ahead bias&#8217; was reduced. &#8216;Survivor bias&#8217; was already covered in using the closed/dead fund database.</p>
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		<title>By: ed.moisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed.moisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analysis I carried out did indeed include funds that have since closed.

I used rolling 1 year returns so as to get an insight into returns for funds that did not have 3 and/or 10 year returns, and to see how the findings vary over different periods, i.e. together accounting for as many funds over as many different periods as possible. 

For any given 1 year period, my approach ensures the data is robust. As for comparing 1992 with 2011 one year returns, then certainly I could have run the analysis looking only at the 10% of actively managed equity funds in Europe have a track record that stretches back to 1992 (and I may do this in future). However, I wanted to get as much of an ‘industry-wide’ view as possible.

Please email Joel your email address and I’d be happy to send you the report that fleshes out the analysis a little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analysis I carried out did indeed include funds that have since closed.</p>
<p>I used rolling 1 year returns so as to get an insight into returns for funds that did not have 3 and/or 10 year returns, and to see how the findings vary over different periods, i.e. together accounting for as many funds over as many different periods as possible. </p>
<p>For any given 1 year period, my approach ensures the data is robust. As for comparing 1992 with 2011 one year returns, then certainly I could have run the analysis looking only at the 10% of actively managed equity funds in Europe have a track record that stretches back to 1992 (and I may do this in future). However, I wanted to get as much of an ‘industry-wide’ view as possible.</p>
<p>Please email Joel your email address and I’d be happy to send you the report that fleshes out the analysis a little more.</p>
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		<title>By: GerardVanDam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/globalinvesting/2012/06/07/lipper-active-vs-passive-round-3462/comment-page-1/#comment-16530</link>
		<dc:creator>GerardVanDam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you please elaborate on your methodology? Especially on the issues of &#039;survivor(ship) bias&#039;, &#039;back-filling bias&#039; and &#039;(mis)classification / factor bias&#039; concerning the Lipper database.

To my knowledge Lipper has a &#039;dead&#039; fund database. Why not use it to prevent &#039;survivor(ship) bias&#039;?

You&#039;re trying to grasp &#039;survivorship bias&#039; by taking funds’ rolling returns (for every year from 1992 to the end of 2011) and looking at the percentage out-performers over 1-year periods. The numbers you mention for the first year (59.1%) and for the last year (26.7%) are completely in line with a database that suffers from &#039;survivorship bias&#039;. A part of the underperformers from 1992 will have disappeared from the database (especially the consistent underperformers), so with the &#039;survivorship biased&#039; database it looks as if a larger percentage will have outperformed than in reality has been the case.

Very curious to hear your thoughts on these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you please elaborate on your methodology? Especially on the issues of &#8216;survivor(ship) bias&#8217;, &#8216;back-filling bias&#8217; and &#8216;(mis)classification / factor bias&#8217; concerning the Lipper database.</p>
<p>To my knowledge Lipper has a &#8216;dead&#8217; fund database. Why not use it to prevent &#8216;survivor(ship) bias&#8217;?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re trying to grasp &#8216;survivorship bias&#8217; by taking funds’ rolling returns (for every year from 1992 to the end of 2011) and looking at the percentage out-performers over 1-year periods. The numbers you mention for the first year (59.1%) and for the last year (26.7%) are completely in line with a database that suffers from &#8216;survivorship bias&#8217;. A part of the underperformers from 1992 will have disappeared from the database (especially the consistent underperformers), so with the &#8216;survivorship biased&#8217; database it looks as if a larger percentage will have outperformed than in reality has been the case.</p>
<p>Very curious to hear your thoughts on these issues.</p>
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