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	<title>Comments on: Britain faces recession without housing ATM</title>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2008/12/17/britain-faces-recession-without-housing-atm/#comment-797</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, Banks were only able to lend so much money to individuals because individuals wanted to borrow more than they could ever afford to pay back.

If it hadn't been for the greed of the dim-witted population at large the banks wouldn't have been in a position to make such a mess. 

But then, People Like Gordon Brown have long relied on a population that seems to be absolutely clueless when it comes to finance and economics - just what they want so they can persue the politics of mediocrity and yet still proclaim political brilliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, Banks were only able to lend so much money to individuals because individuals wanted to borrow more than they could ever afford to pay back.</p>
<p>If it hadn&#8217;t been for the greed of the dim-witted population at large the banks wouldn&#8217;t have been in a position to make such a mess. </p>
<p>But then, People Like Gordon Brown have long relied on a population that seems to be absolutely clueless when it comes to finance and economics - just what they want so they can persue the politics of mediocrity and yet still proclaim political brilliance.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Chettle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2008/12/17/britain-faces-recession-without-housing-atm/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Chettle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary blame lies with Gordon Brown. Banks are under short term pressure to increase returns by any means available, and a robust banking system relies on the banking regulator, and ultimately the government forcing them to take a long term view. Gordon Brown was asleep at the wheel. Many people are greedy and gullible, that's just life and the government should factor it into its policy decisions. But Gordon Brown cynically inflated the debt bubble for party political advantage: either that or he is really, really dim. Either way, he is unfit to have power over an economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary blame lies with Gordon Brown. Banks are under short term pressure to increase returns by any means available, and a robust banking system relies on the banking regulator, and ultimately the government forcing them to take a long term view. Gordon Brown was asleep at the wheel. Many people are greedy and gullible, that&#8217;s just life and the government should factor it into its policy decisions. But Gordon Brown cynically inflated the debt bubble for party political advantage: either that or he is really, really dim. Either way, he is unfit to have power over an economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2008/12/17/britain-faces-recession-without-housing-atm/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responsibility lies squarely with the financial institutions, possibly government and regulators, but civil servants and the elected great and good do have a different agenda that revolves more around power not greed and it was definately the money being made by financial institutions that put the economy in this mess.

Historically low interest rates ( not counting where we are now ) produced some fantastic margins, LIBOR at circa 5% gave even the most competitive credit card companies advertising APR's as low as 13- 14% a 160 - 180% gross margin so financial institutions could not lend fast enough GREED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responsibility lies squarely with the financial institutions, possibly government and regulators, but civil servants and the elected great and good do have a different agenda that revolves more around power not greed and it was definately the money being made by financial institutions that put the economy in this mess.</p>
<p>Historically low interest rates ( not counting where we are now ) produced some fantastic margins, LIBOR at circa 5% gave even the most competitive credit card companies advertising APR&#8217;s as low as 13- 14% a 160 - 180% gross margin so financial institutions could not lend fast enough GREED.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2008/12/17/britain-faces-recession-without-housing-atm/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rich and poor issue is a complete red herring and always has been. If someone on £20,000 gets a 10% pay rise he goes to £22,000. If the Chairman on £500,000 gets 1% (a much more responsible and restrained pay rise you might think), he goes to £505,000. The gap between them increases from £480,000 to £483,000, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the current crisis or any crisis. It's simply a question of rudimentary arithmetic.

The phenomenon of borrowing against a fixed asset to pay current expenditure has been going on for a long time, at least since the 80s. It has allowed successive governments to con the public that prosperity was growing under their leadership. In fact, not only was that prosperity illusory from the point of view of the individual, but the swingeing taxes that it allowed successive governments to levy from those of us who still worked have proved to have been utterly squandered and the country itself is now in serious danger of bankruptcy.

We have got to change our whole mindset. First-world countries (I am being wildly optimistic here in assuming that the UK will remain one) should be net lenders (probably to the third world), not borrowers. Home buyers almost inevitably will be borrowers but must be so on a prudential basis. And instead of screaming about big business and fat cats and such nonsense, we should all be screaming about the greatest fraud of all - the trillions (not billions) of pounds of our money (because it is ours you know) that have been utterly wasted by our bloated, incompetent and inefficient state machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rich and poor issue is a complete red herring and always has been. If someone on £20,000 gets a 10% pay rise he goes to £22,000. If the Chairman on £500,000 gets 1% (a much more responsible and restrained pay rise you might think), he goes to £505,000. The gap between them increases from £480,000 to £483,000, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the current crisis or any crisis. It&#8217;s simply a question of rudimentary arithmetic.</p>
<p>The phenomenon of borrowing against a fixed asset to pay current expenditure has been going on for a long time, at least since the 80s. It has allowed successive governments to con the public that prosperity was growing under their leadership. In fact, not only was that prosperity illusory from the point of view of the individual, but the swingeing taxes that it allowed successive governments to levy from those of us who still worked have proved to have been utterly squandered and the country itself is now in serious danger of bankruptcy.</p>
<p>We have got to change our whole mindset. First-world countries (I am being wildly optimistic here in assuming that the UK will remain one) should be net lenders (probably to the third world), not borrowers. Home buyers almost inevitably will be borrowers but must be so on a prudential basis. And instead of screaming about big business and fat cats and such nonsense, we should all be screaming about the greatest fraud of all - the trillions (not billions) of pounds of our money (because it is ours you know) that have been utterly wasted by our bloated, incompetent and inefficient state machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmer XXX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmer XXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We rode on the automobile economy while the Rich and Powerful ran away with our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We rode on the automobile economy while the Rich and Powerful ran away with our money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McCrohan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2008/12/17/britain-faces-recession-without-housing-atm/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McCrohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So while we were all releasing equity from our homes in order to pay off credit cards, pay for annual holidays etc., our employers were benefiting from the fact that we weren't asking for pay rises, as we "felt" wealthy. Hence the gap between the rich business owners and the poor employees has grown, and no one even noticed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So while we were all releasing equity from our homes in order to pay off credit cards, pay for annual holidays etc., our employers were benefiting from the fact that we weren&#8217;t asking for pay rises, as we &#8220;felt&#8221; wealthy. Hence the gap between the rich business owners and the poor employees has grown, and no one even noticed&#8230;</p>
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