Comments on: No we can’t: Obama’s Guantanamo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/ Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Frank Castle http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4340 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:18:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-4340 Oh well welcome to the real world people. I almost spewed my coffee over my screen reading about the inevitable prosecution of these war criminals, what color is the sky in your fantasy world? Do you really expect that, or that Gitmo will really be closed, or those detainees will get real due process?
It’s great how you can dupe the youth with promises of change, I guess you need to be a bit older and wiser to realize it’s all talk. Oh well I’ve said youth wasted on the young and it’s truer all the time.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4138 Fri, 29 May 2009 01:46:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-4138 Chris, the executive branch has no authority to convene any tribunals. Article Two of the U.S constitution expressly assigns that responsibility to Congress. Any War Tribunal established by any U.S. President is against the law. Even the Military Code of Justice is the responsibility of Congress. I know of no Congressional legislation giving the military the authority to try these detainees. It is my understanding Obama wants to reconvene the same tribunals Bush established with a few superficial changes. If I am wrong will someone please enlighten me?

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By: Chris http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4012 Tue, 26 May 2009 20:40:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-4012 Youth expects change to happen – now! Cori – I know you want it all to change and cannot see, maybe the youthful exuberence once again, why it isn’t.

We could open the doors and send everyone home – but as you said, many would be tortured… basically change requires calming fears and making plans, much of which does not happen instantly.

President Obama is the leader of the nation, but he is not the law maker, that branch has to be convinced – and unfortunately the military will need to have those laws and plans before they will act on good confidence.

At least trials will happen now – assuming Congress and/or a group a lawyers does not stall the process once again.

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By: The Bell http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3940 Mon, 25 May 2009 12:10:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3940 Pinochet must have gone to his deathbed and subsequent appointment in Hades thinking he was A-OK because they never went after Kissinger for his murderous pranks on behalf of ITT. Reagan died thinking nothing as usual, leaving Ollie North unpunished. Successive Bushes including Bush-Lite Clinton may go to their graves imagining what they did was A-OK – if only due to lack of stalwart prosecution – and the sooner the better, if that lack prevails.

Obama has no excuse for not shutting down the U.S. torture & murder machine, at home and overseas. Any delay on this is a terminal blemish on his carefully-coifed image. He ostensibly possesses legal qualifications, or at least an education and delusions of integrity to boot, so he cannot pretend that the war crimes of Bush/Cheney et al. which he fails to prosecute will not be visited some day upon him, for his very failure to prosecute.

That is the law.

Guantanamo Bay ranks alongside Abu Ghraib as the joint epitome of what is wrong with American interventionist politics at this time.

Both these and all similar facilities must be closed, their inmates released and compensated. The people – every last one – who made all these and more KZs and insane death machines around the world possible can expect to be punished and expropriated – as all war criminals, under the law, surely must.

The only question now, is when.

Each day longer it takes to close and vacate Guantanamo Bay equals yet another giant bloody nail in the coffin of America’s reputation, another triumph of the brute subversion of democracy in and by pseudo-America and yet another solid reason for deposing the pseudo-American two-party charade which strangulates debate, enslaves the people at home and abroad, and vampirizes any culture, anywhere, into which contemporary war-corporatist pseudo-America’s fangs have been sunk.

Pseudo-America must face multiple life sentences if America is even to pretend to live. Until it does, it’s up to everyone else to set the rules.

Well, everyone else except Thatcherites Blair & Major and other wholly-owned subsidiaries of pseudo-America. May they rot, etc

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3936 Mon, 25 May 2009 07:23:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3936 Anonymous, you sound paranoid. The threat fascism posed to the world in the 1930s was far more ominous than the terrorist threat of today. What risks to our nation require downing people without trial or hearing? How about the risk of oil shortages or foreign investors pulling out their capital? What of increased illegal immigration or advocates of Gay rights?

Perhaps if we were to follow your logic through upon all perceived risks, the United States would become the great threat to world peace and civilization. That is if we haven’t already

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3933 Mon, 25 May 2009 03:23:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3933 Now BHO backpedaled on one of his key election promises. Bad for him, good for the country. As little as these illegal enemy combatants belong at Guantanamo, they belong in America even less. If there’s a real need to move these terrorists from the security of that prison, I see only one way to do it without putting America at risk. Load them all into a cargo hold of a barge, weld the hatches shut, tow it to some deep place in the middle of the ocean, and sink it there. No, I’m not joking. Some former inmates who managed to persuade the military administration that they were arrested by mistake now rejoined al-Qaeda.

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By: ChloeBauer http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3931 Sun, 24 May 2009 15:09:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3931 Change takes time especially if Obama wants his Administration’s effectiveness to last through and after the honeymoon period is over. I still believe he will fulfill his campaign promises and close down Guantanamo Bay.

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By: Robert http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3924 Sat, 23 May 2009 18:16:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3924 Im a bit annoyed by the almost continuous claims that ‘its what he inherited’ why cant people just admit they were duped? that, ultimately..he had no intentions on half of his promises? that it was to dupe people into voting him? its not exclusively him either, its ‘politics’ in general. surely these ‘its bushs mess thats why’ mouth-pieces can see as clear as anyone else this?

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By: Bernie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3907 Fri, 22 May 2009 17:03:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3907 Why do we presume the worst?

Why is it that we all seem to feel these detainees will be at our throats the minute they leave incarceration?

In the 1960’s, I stood casually talking to a murderer about baseball, school and girls.

In the safe environment of the store my mother operated at the state mental hospital where those discussions took place, the man was calm, curious, smiling, friendly and certainly posed no threat to me. He helped us by taking out the trash, sweeping the floors, stocking the soda cooler and other tasks associated with maintaining the store.

Outside however, on several previous attempts to acclimate him to society, he became violent and had killed several people.

Why? He was taunted, physically abused – beaten, kicked, perhaps even sexually abused and raped by his ’employers’.

His violence was triggered by forces he could not avoid within that ‘outside captivity’.

Yet there were only three people on the face of this earth who believed that man had a chance – me, my mother and his social worker.

Have we not also agitated these ‘detainees’ by our own torture?

Like Daniel, you have been in the “Lion’s den” and survived.

Courage, Cori.

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By: Bernie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/05/21/no-we-cant-obamas-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-3902 Fri, 22 May 2009 15:39:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1409#comment-3902 I wish everything wrong with the Bush Administration could be corrected ‘over night’. Practical realities speak otherwise.

President Obama has been thrown into an inferno of issues – getting our economy working again, ending our costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, ending our ‘secret’ policies of detainee torture and rendition, trying to fix our escalating costs of health care, repairing our damaged Constitution and the rights we’ve all lost over the past eight years of fascist rule, restoring sanity to the process of selecting and retaining qualified judiciary, finding ways to reduce our burgeoning federal deficit, finding a practical solution for our pending ‘legacy costs’ of Social Security, Medicare and veterans’ benefits…

… already in the past 100 days, our President has done more work than George W. Bush did in eight years.

It may seem trivial, but the President has just begun to dig through the ‘unfinished business’ of George W. Bush.

As with the economic problems we face, George W. Bush will go down in history as the “Great Procrastinator”.

So very many of our issues today result from GWB’s intent to delay action until a ‘crisis’ erupted. I believe that inaction included his early warnings of the horrible events of 9/11.

There’s more rubble on our President’s desk than that of the World Trade Center.

Somewhere beneath that rubble, there’s a solution for the closure of Guantanamo, too, especially as our President has yet to take his first ‘vacation’ to the Bush-equivalent of the Crawford ranch.

As exemplified by the recent scree from Richard Cheney, the past eight years have been eight years of fear – paranoia, xenophobia… unseen at those high proportions since Joseph McCarthy had us all running to build bomb shelters and fear our ‘commie’ next-door neighbors.

Reasonable solutions still exist, including permitting these ‘McCarthy-era neo-commies’ to live next door to us, too. Given the opportunity, they, too, can blend and not exhibit hostility if they are given a chance – the very same approach we see on the television with that soldier entering the empty carousel area and the empty NYC street – for accepting our troops back from the wars.

President Obama has already worked at the local level to organize rather than foster hatred, discontent and violence.

President Obama has a different approach to these issues and will prove over his first term that he’s definitely not the man who would attempt to ‘put a lid on the boiling pot’ to keep the steam from escaping.

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