Comments on: Iranian elections: voting from afar http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/ Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Folklight http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4623 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:20:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4623 The growing reformist movement in Iran has taken the world by surprise. The movement and the mullahs response to it is very fluid and evolving rapidly. Professor Mark Levine writing about Iran on the Brink makes crucial points: “It seems that the Iranian elite has been caught similarly off-guard, and is still trying to read its own society to understand how broad is the societal discontent reflected in the mass protests. This calculus is crucial – in some ways more so than whether the results are legitimate or, as some claim, electoral fraud.

It will determine whether the Iranian power elite – that is, the political-religious-military-security leadership who control the levers of state violence – moves towards negotiation and reconciliation between the increasingly distant sides, or moves to crush the mounting opposition with large-scale violence.

The religious establishment is itself split into hard-line, moderate and more progressive factions, each of whose members are tied to factions within the economic, political and security elite, producing a complex and potentially volatile set of competing and contradictory loyalties and interests.

Ahmadinejad’s and Khamenei’s decisions in the coming days will be telling. If the official tally was in fact broadly accurate, then they will likely be more willing to agree not just to a recount, but even to a run-off election, if that is what it takes to pacify the angry protesters”.

There is much in his logic I agree with however I have a differing perspective on the nature, scope and source of the world system he recognizes. I further believe humanity is totally incapable of extricating itself from the grip of this “system” whose origins and source of power operate in various dimensions or realms, being spiritual in nature. In short humans are caught in an epoch and universal struggle that has engulfed earth.

We have been given volition and can choose, individually or collectively, to resist this “system”. Being born in this matrix was not our choice, being of it and owned by it is optional. Through disciplines of logic and meditational prayer, the truths of Biblical teaching shine ancient light desperately needed in our confused “modern” era. Pray for Peace…
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http://www.meaning.org/news/matrix.html
http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/ exec/view.cgi/5/12824
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylo n1.html
http://allaboutgod.com/

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4600 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:07:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4600 Who says that Iran is a backward medieval nation?

By shooting unarmed protestors, they have proven that their nation has finally reached the 1970s.

At this rate, they will be modernised by 2050. Assuming their first nuke doesn’t become their last…

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By: anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4583 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:55:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4583 Democracy is an ideal and as such has different meanings and manifestations in different societies. It would be wrong to hold the U.S. example of democracy as a standard bearer around the world. For one we have very few representatives with regard to the size of our population and our credibility around the world is still diminishing because of our government’s policies and actions.

Thomas Jefferson stated that “Rebellion in the streets every generation or so is healthy for the Republic”. John Locke would look favorably upon the current demonstrations in Tehran regarding accusations of vote fraud. Whether recognized by all or not the power of any government rests with the people. The people of Tehran are reminding their government of this fact right now. Where was the American public outrage when the Supreme Court appointed George Bush President?

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By: Folklight http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4581 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:32:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4581 Haroon Abbasi- Tis much more surprising to believe the total vote could be counted in such a short time span.
Also, perhaps by rural you mean easily manipulated?

Professor Azar Nafisi stated in Al Jazeera interview:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middle east/2009/06/2009613181040285185.html

“It was really amazing and interesting to see what Mr Mousavi chose as his platform to win. He didn’t just campaign against Ahmadinejad but against the very foundations of the Islamic Republic. The fact that Mr Mousavi risked his political career to take up this position suggests that a sizable number of the population don’t want what exists now.”

This article highlights the power of incremental change, brought about by discussion of issues one person to another. Truth and Ideals are more potent than bullets though both have their usefulness. Reformers must not be misled into assisting further entrenchment of Theocratic power. They must know their movement & own it.

Iran’s Theocracy is facing social revolution and a repudiation of the underlying source of their continuing power. The dream of a caliphate is not a national dream, rather it’s a fading dream of ideologues. You can not force anyone to believe something, humans must choose to believe. That is God given volition.

The Wise Choose to use it in pursuit of truth.

http://www.iranhumanrights.org/
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/5 53:
http://www.mei.edu/: http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/CALIPH.HTM

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By: Haroon Abbasi http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4558 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:26:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4558 The reality is that Tehran is not Iran. Most of the population is rural, working class and relatively disadvantaged. It is hardly surprising that they voted for Ahmedinejad in very large numbers. It is easy for the affluent Iranians around the world, most of whom were openly complicit in the brutal tyranny of the Shah and plundered the wealth of Iran, to create similar conditions again. But despite the selective media images of Tehran showing big support for Moussawi most Iranians are far more ambivalent and unsure. They also realise they need a leader that will complete the nuclear project because that is the only guarantee from attack by the US / Israel.

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By: Azad http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4544 Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:26:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4544 So long as clergy ( Khamenei) holds the reigns of the governance there will never be democracy.I read that the leaders of the administrationn should not be criticize
( within the framework of civillity) for their policies. One who criticizes should be jailed. How so? There are no two ways of doing this. Iran should keep the clergy out of Teheran once for all. This is unlikely to happen at least in the near future. Iran in near future, can not emulate US or India to bring in democracy as is defined.

I must say the demonstrations in the street against the rigging of elections is an indication of fearlessness, hopefully, the elected administration behaves and overlooks the protests.

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By: Matthew http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4543 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:46:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4543 One needs naiveté in significant quantities to believe this election to be anything more than a blatant farce. Seriously, did anyone really think the Ayatollah would allow Moussavi to win? This election will be seen as historic for its superb contrivance, not for its validity.

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By: Folklight http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/12/iranian-elections-voting-from-afar/comment-page-1/#comment-4536 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:07:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=1808#comment-4536 With a population of 70 million, Iran is not the nation it was before or during the revolution of 1979. Life under the Sha grew repressive (following an assassination attempt) and his reign was viewed as that of a puppet government, this forged the alliance which rules today’s Islamic Republic of Iran. The facts driving a push for reform in today’s voting are found in demographics as well as Persian history. There are similarities in the current ‘reformist’ movement and the upheaval of 30 yrs ago despite that fact that more than two-thirds of Iran’s present population are under 30 years old.

Is history repeating itself in Iran?

As the Mantra of Hope and Change spreads in Persia the outcome of this election hangs in the balance. People across the globe watch and pray for peace and prosperity. God willing it will succeed!

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