Comments on: Bagram lesser known – but more evil – twin of Guantanamo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/ Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4805 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:09:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2032#comment-4805 TJ Butterfield, if you like it so much why don’t you spend the rest of your life there? Perhaps as a freedom loving individual you wouldn’t mind suspending trials and juries here in the U.S. too. The man who arrests or turns you in gets to be judge and jury. Lock up everybody for life who gets arrested. Have you ever witnessed one suspected terrorist commit an act of war.

That is why there should be hearings trials and a rule of law so the facts can be presented. The next hurdle will be to get the prosecutors to follow the law regarding cases they prosecute. Just ask The Honorable Judge Sullivan who presided over and vacated the conviction in the Senator Stevens case and that of 12 wrongfully convicted detainees. Judge Sullivan has ordered a probe into the Justice Department for suborning perjury and withholding exculpatory evidence.

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By: TJ Butterfield http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4736 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:36:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2032#comment-4736 This whole article is nonsense. I worked at the BTIF for all of 2006. I saw not one instance of torture. What I witnessed was an island of humanity in a sea of inhumanity. People who were trying to kill Americans one week were being given dentures, glasses and appendectomies the next week.

Terrorists lie. Shocker!

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By: farnaby http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4716 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:42:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2032#comment-4716 The thing that has always surprised me is how the US has always been able to get away with torture because of the denial of its citizens and their refusal to recognise, despite all the evidence, that the US government has always promoted and been involved in torture. This time, this has been achieved by Obama, who came into office with CIA backing, blaming it all on Bush (after they were found out, anyway) and promising to abolish torture whilst allowing it to continue.

The forerunners of the CIA set up one of the ‘ratlines’ that organised escape to South America for Nazi war criminals (the Vatican organised another ‘ratline’). They also learnt a lot about ‘low intensity warfare’ and torture methods from Roger Trinquier, a theorist for the French government at the time of the Algerian Independence War. The French tortured millions of people during that struggle. Later these methods were adopted by US backed dictators in the ‘Southern Cone’ countries of South America (Argentina, Chile, Paraguay) with US government and ex-Nazi support. Later still, when the US was promoting covert warfare against the people of Central America, ‘advisors’ were sent from the Southern Cone to Central America to teach them how to do it. Meanwhile the ‘School of the America’s’ at Fort Benning, Georgia taught torture methods to dictators and police forces throughout Latin America. Bush, Rumsfeld & Cheney’s mistake was to make it all too obvious, so that people could no longer ignore it. The pretence that US torture didn’t happen before Bush is part of the cover-up.

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By: Ian Kemmish http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4715 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:15:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2032#comment-4715 The surprise for me was that, even though we now possess lie-detection techniques which, although expensive and time-consuming, are able to winnow out the truth from Jihadists (as demonstrated on Channel 4 last year), the BBC and other media rushed to publish without using them. You must be cock-a-hoop.

The timing is no surprise at all. It’s called “news management”, and it’s a woeful pressure group is isn’t a past master at that by now. I’m afraid I discounted the entire news story, and will continue to do so until some decent evidence is presented.

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4710 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:32:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2032#comment-4710 Further evidence of the basic message I try to repeat in every post.

Obama=Bush

Wake up America

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/06/24/bagram-lesser-known-but-more-evil-twin-of-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-4706 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:03:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2032#comment-4706 Clara, the precedent to Bagram, Abu Graib and Guantanamo is here at home. Police scandals spanning decades show the use of torture to obtain confessions in the U.S.. Water boarding subsequent to WW I and Electric shock after Viet Nam. This is how law enforcement has sometimes operated in the U.S.. These law enforcement officers were war veterans.

We lock up two and a half million people in the U.S.. I shudder to think how many are innocent. I spent years escorting defendants to court. Incompetency and apathy abound with most of the officers of the courts I have seen work. Those who fight for the truth are the rare exception.

Bill Curtis traveled the country investigating this issue. He states “There is a dirty little secret among criminal lawyers. A lot of innocent people go to prison.” The attorneys widely disagree as to how many in their experience how many innocents are convicted. The estimates ranged from 20 to 80 percent by region.

Even 10 percent would be unacceptable if true. Why does it happen? I don’t know. I guess as a people we are just used to accepting what ever our government does.

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