Comments on: A Visit to Hebron http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/ Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4925 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:00:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4925 Paul Rosa,
The people moving into the settlements tend to be those at the bottom of the economic food chain. These are people living in poverty who can either choose to live in the ghetto’s or live in a new house that is way underpriced (underpriced because people know how dangerous the location is). It’s a choice, but really only a dangerous choice at a particular time because odds are good that if you’re living in a settlement now you’ll probably have a new settlement the next year built even further out and if not a settlement a big wall.

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By: Paul Rosa http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4886 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:05:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4886 Anubis – the cold war didn’t start until after World War II.It didn’t really start until The USSR exploded it’s own atom bomb. During the war there were millions of European refugees. The Jewish victims of Hitler were just millions among many more millions. The UN has also recently revised the estimate of the number of people destroyed in the concentration camps and other slave labor camps by the Nazi machine. About 6 million were Jewish. Another 12 million were comprised of any number of “undesirables” from all over Europe and the Soviet Union. What happened to all the black people in Europe? No one ever mentions the fact that the Nazi’s didn’t spare them either.

I’m sure many of those millions of refugees would have gladly left the theater of war too.

It wasn’t until the 60’s that the issue of Jewish refugees became almost the only story anyone mentions about the war. In the movie “Judgment at Nuremberg”, the issue of Jewish exterminations wasn’t even top most on the author’s mind. There were other lives just as important as Jewish lives. The great scandal in that movie was the treatment of the aged, infirm and mentally ill.

There were tens of millions of European refugees who were not accepted by other countries either, you should know. The US did accept Jewish refugees but they tended to be people with wealth, influence of special skills.
The quota system still favors the well off, those with special skills and the connected.

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By: Dan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4868 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:55:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4868 To Anubis: “Nowhere to go” is an absolute exaggeration. In fact, it’s about time exaggerations were replaced with calm realism and sober perspective. I don’t see anybody raising a finger to any jew in any country, be it in Europe or South America today. To the latter continent immigrated Jews and Nazis both and they moved on with life, in spite of difficulties in entry just as equal or worse from USA’s and UK’s, so why this insistence on blaming the USA and the UK of not having been welcoming to Jews, if not for sentimental blackmail? I see Mexicans and other South Americans being denied entry too and they get plenty of persecution back home TODAY, not 70 years ago.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4855 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:39:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4855 Robin, your closing statement to David is the crux of the matter. Britain and the U.S. refused Jewish refugees. We accepted Nazi war criminals and gave them asylum. The Jewish refuges did have no where else to go. Another case of screwed up cold war priorities.

The U.S., Britain and other allied powers were responsible as they were the victors of that war. It is time the leaders of these nations take responsibility for what their predecessors did not.

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By: Paul Rosa http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4850 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:36:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4850 Can anyone answer a simple question. When Israeli’s build their settlements – does any Palestinian land owner ever receive compensation? Are all the settlements confiscations without compensation?

Its strains credulity that the Palestinian areas are characterized as so dangerous to non-Arabs – a never ending argument of who shot who first – and yet it never deters the Israelis from building more settlements.

The South Bronx has less violence and yet an area with so much underutilized land is almost off limits to serious development pressure. Few New Yorkers want to live there.

I can never understand how The Israeli settlers can sincerely complain about the violence against them – and by them in the occupied West Bank – when they could stay on their side of the UN line – wherever that is now?

If it looks like a land grab , and it acts like a land grab and smells like a land grab – it must be a land grab? And it sounds very like a land grab by theft and brute force. Lebensraum on the cheap.

The attitude of the settlers is obviously obnoxious and less forgivable when one remembers that they don’t actually have to live in the occupied territories at all. Obviously the Palestinians could not set up settlements in Israel. The entire occupation sounds like pig headed obstinacy that could not exist anywhere else but in that land of religious obsession. It hardly deserves the name “Holy Land”.

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4848 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:37:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4848 It is not just a simple matter of bias towards apartheid regimes.

By trying to equate Israel to an apartheid regime, one shows a further, deeper anti-israeli bias.

The origins of this current situation involve a civil war, a recognision of independence by the UN, and three ill-advised wars fought by Arab nations against Israel.

To equate it with the situation of colonisation is oversimplified. And does nothing to reach a solution, as trying to make unilateral demands against a far stronger party will never work.

The moment the Palestinians are ready to accept and ensure the safety of the settlements, and make concessions to ensure Israel’s safety, there may actually be a nation called ‘Palestine’ for the first time in sixty years.

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By: francis jones http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4839 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:11:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4839 I am non Jewish and non Arab.
I beleive that the reporter gives a true picture of what is going on in the occupied territories.
The terrible vindictiveness of the Jewish state against any non-Jew and especially the Arab who dare to oppose them is despicable and can and will only lead to future suffering.
I am old enough to remember that the white rulers of South Africa had the support of the West and thought they were impregnable in their bunker, the same lesson should and shall be experienced by the racist state of Israel. Lets hope that when that day comes the Jewish settlers are treated as humanly as the whites are now treated in South Africa.

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By: Robin Yassin-Kassab http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4837 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:30:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4837 My photos to go with this piece can be seen at www.qunfuz.com or www.pulsemedia.org

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By: Robin Yassin-Kassab http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4836 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:22:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4836 Elder – An Israeli citizen, Hebrew-speaking was with us, and he told me the songs were ‘Zionist.’ I didn’t check myself.

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By: Robin Yassin-Kassab http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/07/03/a-visit-to-hebron/comment-page-1/#comment-4835 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:21:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=2211#comment-4835 David and Neighbour

You are quite right about the massacre of Jews in Hebron in 1929. The fact that the massacre happened in the context of the struggle against Zionist plans to turn Palestine into a Jewish state does not change the fact that the massacre was a terrible crime. I should have mentioned it, but didn’t because I was given only 600 words. I stuck to what I saw, to what is happening today. I speak as as somebody who is very aware of Arab sectarianism and its negative effect on Jews, Shia Muslims and other minorities. Sectarianism is one of the things that make Arabs weak, and I and many Arabs revile it. (It so happens that I have a Syrian Jewish aunt). However, the anti-Jewish feeling amongst most Palestinians and other Arabs today is directed not at Jews in general but in the faces of the Jewsish state that has dispossessed the Palestinians.

Neighbour says the child settlers are not gun-wielding. True, but I have been shown many films (they’re on Youtube) of settler children hitting, kicking and throwing stones at Palestinian men, women and children. When they do this, they are protected by gun-wielding adult settlers and by soldiers. Again, I should have mentioned this, but was stopped by my 600 word limit.

As for Jews only having access to 3% of Hebron – Israeli Jews are forbidden access to the rest of the city (unless they are soldiers, who move in at will) as a result of Israeli laws. However, I met French and American Jews (pro-Palestinian activists and academics) who live and work in Hebron, Ramallah and other West Bank cities. The apartheid system was brought in by Israel.

Then there’s the small matter that according to international law, there should be NO Israeli civilians living in occupied territory. The Palestinian leadership (which I’m not a fan of) has in any case said that in the event of a two-state solution, any Jewish settlers who will accept to live under Palestinian sovereignty can stay on the West Bank.

And, yes, I am biased. I was also biased against apartheid South Africa.; If this was the 1930s, I’d be biased against Nazi Germany, and also aginst the pro-Zionist but anti-Semitic immigration policies of the US and British governments. (which blocked access to fleeing European Jews, forcing them to go to Palestine instead).

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