Comments on: Shining a light on China’s secret “Black Jails” http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/ Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8761 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:27:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8761 That depends, Anubis.Imagine that you are in America. You complain about government policy in America, or take part in an American democratic protest, or make a complaint about alleged improper conduct by an American public official.Are you then likely to end up being tortured by police and ending up being locked away in Cuba for the next fifteen years? And having your family put in home detention as well? Or having your brother, who tries to take your case to court, put in an asylum for being ‘mentally unsound’? Of course not.So yes, we have much room to comment.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8757 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:23:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8757 Let us not forget everyone the U.S. runs “Black Jails” too. Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba and all the little hidden CIA torture sites. Have we any room at all to comment?

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By: ShaMao http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8721 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:22:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8721 No matter how many US Treasury Bonds they hold; no matter how many (empty) skyscrapers they build; no matter how many “engineers” (read auto mechanics) they graduate; no matter how many unverifiable and unaudited statistics they release; China will never find respect amongst the developed countries of the world while its current political system remains in place.

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By: getreal http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8568 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:00:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8568 It always never cease to amaze me what is reported on China. I live in a huge community of chinese people born and bred out of China. How is it that none of our relatives and friend’s relatives are subjected to what is being read above.I agree with Anon Human Rights Watch Agenda in China does raise a few questions.Back to the topic of my relatives. Their lives are improving every day. People leaving China are going back. Does that not say something

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By: The Bell http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8504 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:33:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8504 It’s interesting to hear so much Western expert opinion on how not to run the People’s Republic of China, and possibly Russia too. We may be off to a good start here…Here’s my opinion: wherever Black Jails exist, they’re wrong. No ifs ands or buts.Meanwhile, whenever the words “black” and “jail” are used in close proximity with one another, the United States judicial and penal systems immediately spring to mind. This isn’t as it should be, not in any freedom-loving nation. China’s important too but, as they used to say in the West, first things first.I defer to the late William Kunstler for an expert opinion here:”I suspect,” so Kunstler, talking to a crowd during the Chicago 8 trial, “[more people] have gone to their deaths through a legal system than through all the illegalities in the history of man: 6 million people in Europe during the Third Reich. Legal. Sacco and Vanzetti. Legal. The hundreds of great trials throughout the South where black men were condemned to death. All legal. Jesus. Legal. Socrates. Legal. All tyrants learn that it is far better to do this thing through some semblance of legality than to do it without that pretense.”Lessons for everyone here. Get yours while it’s going, line forms to the right. You too, China…

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By: Noobface http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8476 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:26:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8476 The Chinese Communist Party is both the solution and the problem for China. Let’s be honest here, it would be impossible for a democratic party to govern so many people in a country out of poverty. Let’s look at India and Thailand as an example, both developing countries with democratic governments, both rife with corruption, while India has insanely bad infrastructure and Thailand citizens live in fear of terrorism.However, the CCP is not perfect in any way. Yes, it is very corrupt, which poses a serious threat to the country itself, and the secret police protects the corrupted. China also doesn’t have any policy to protect the poor while the rich gets even richer, widening the rich-poor gap. But without such an iron-fisted state control, China will be faced with terrorism issues and civilian unrest, with possibility of the country falling apart, bringing more people into poverty. While what are nations with good Human Rights records going to do? I’m guessing something around the lines of “oh, well, China and its people are in deep sh*t, but they have good Human Rights records”. Ok, I know, this scenario seem to be too pessimistic, but it is certainly a possibility.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8417 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:03:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8417 The soon to collapse China is hiring U.S. business school graduates faster then the U.S.. Economic growth is greater than the U.S. China is also on the verge of divesting in U.S. Treasuries. China built her economy by exporting chiefly to the U.S. That demand for her products has been devastated from our own economic collapse.The U.S. has been slow to acknowledge the business practices of our financial sector was the cause of the global economic catastrophe we all endure. It is evident many journalists and bloggers are in denial regarding this truth. At the end of the day unfettered unrestrained capitalism can no longer prevail. Resources are no longer abundant. Prices of raw materials have become unstable. There are no new markets presently that can be exploited. This fact has been one of the underlying factors in the labor market collapses. Goods and services are being priced out of reach.Human societies are going to have to seriously rethink how they conduct commerce and other economic activities. A degraded environment will severely impact economic activity. Often leading to complete collapse. This is the very situation humanity finds itself in right now. The plight of the Rapanui on Easter Island is a sobering reminder.

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By: Casper http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8414 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:23:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8414 I agree with Anons’ statements, it seems to speak in forked tongue though. How can we make such a serious speculation based on such a small sample ? If I understood the Obama address in the Town Hall this morning correctly, there is too much Internet activity to allow such conduct to go unrecorded.

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By: Andy M http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8410 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:31:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8410 I think more of these sort of things are actually needed. I realise I will be in the minority but genuinely believe that turning a blind eye is what is required. I know the black jails is extreme and am not condoning them but do feel that if we had a stronger govnt in the uk and secret police or whatever you want to call them existed then a lot of our problems eg illegal immigrants, gypsies colonosing areas, etc would diminish drastically. Human rights? I think a lot of the hr people have actually gone too far and the whole issue is now a joke. I could list loads of egs as to stupidity in the uk over hr stopping convictions or preventing real justice but people are way too tied up in this for all the wrong reasons and with the wrong outcomes. We live in a harsh world now and people need to wake up to reality!!

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By: Peter Schwarz http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/11/12/shining-a-light-on-chinas-secret-black-jails/comment-page-1/#comment-8405 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:40:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/?p=4347#comment-8405 Well Well, you sure paint a gloomy picture for the future of China. I can but hope that not all your predictions will bear fruit. China could I believe become quite a brilliant country that at the moment is badly hindered by sick mentality on the part of the leadership. These people are living back in the medievil times and can not or are unwilling to see the consequences of a head of state staying in office for life?? Or at worst, passing the leadership on to a memeber of the leaders own family.In my view changes at the top will ripple down the line until the effects are felt right at the bottom of the ladder. A change of government could offer china a whole new lease of life, a breath of fresh air even and provide stimulus for real social and ecconomic growth from which not just a few but the many may benefit. But for a leader to think or even imagine that they will remain leader until the day they die, is very worrying indeed. Chaiman Mao thought in the same way, and we all know what he left behind (bless him).

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