Comments on: Barack Obama and The Ugly American http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: jordyn http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1421 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:20:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1421 oh thats right Canadians are Americans too!

– Posted by Mattimat
nope showing your ignorance. Here’s how you tell the difference.
1.Canadians: if we don’t like our politicians we don’t elect them.
2.Americans: if they don’t like their politicians they shoot them!!
If you want their money so much…go live their with your IQ you would fit right in.

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By: Sarah G http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1336 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:44:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1336 Respectfully to all 132 of you other oh so happy people, what exactly, besides sitting around yelling at each other, what exactly do you plan on doing about the current state of things.

“Injustice somewhere, is a threat to justice everywhere,” so what, and how do you propose on this note to people begin to start changing what our leaders across the globe can’t quite seem to get right?

Further arguments are on my website.

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By: Marc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1285 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:22:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1285 Note that my comments are meant to try to show you WHY Americans are disliked around the world – at least the over 200 cities in a couple dozen countries I’ve visited around the globe. As I have several very good American friends, I’ve tried to understand why they chose to hide their nationality when they travelled. I came to understand why people dislike Americans so much today. It’s not because people are “envious”, but because you have managed to really piss people off with your two-faced rhetoric and outright lies since WWII, and your deliberate attempt to rewrite history to suit yourselves.

To claim that the USA is “the best” is nothing more than a propaganda lie to a gullible population. When you grow up and realize that, then we can move forward. Like every country, your country and governments have serious faults that need work. Only when Americans admit this and start to correct these faults will people start to respect your country again. Right now, the “ugly American” abroad is cock-sure that his country is “the best” at everything. You’re wrong. Dead wrong. It’s simply “better than others in some things, much worse than others in other things”.

Most other countries I’ve travelled to realize this about their own countries. Of all the places I’ve travelled, only America persists in being blind to its own faults, and only Americans (not all, but far too many) persist in their delusion that everything their country does is “good” for the rest of the world, when in fact it’s often (not always, but often) quite the opposite.

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By: Marc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1284 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:10:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1284 Reid: yes, I’m sure the Chileans (1973) were “more free” after the US backed and financed Pinochet’s rise to power through assassination of Allende. I’m sure the people of Ecuador (1963), Brazil (1964), Congo (1965, Mobutu), Haiti (1991, 2004) etc. etc. etc. were much more free after the US backed military overthrows of those democratically elected governments. I’m sure the Iranians (1953) were “more free” after the Americans deposed their democratically elected leader Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh and installed the last Shah of Iran, whose abuses led directly to their 1979 revolution and their current theocratic state. The list goes on, and on, and on, for every single country in Central and South America except Uruguay, and for many others elsewhere as well.

Yes, all blows for freedom and democracy, I’m sure. That must be why democratically elected governments in previously free nations were almost invariably replaced by repressive, homicidal military regimes.

If America is all about taking up arms against repression, how do you explain US being so friendly with so many different incredibly repressive regimes all over the world? All of these have one thing in common: they allow US corporations to operate in their territory with impunity. Whereas free, peaceful, democratic regimes are quickly overthrown through direct and indirect American intervention (your CIA has a lot to answer for) if they dare to try to stop American corporations from raping and pillaging as they see fit.

That’s the American legacy around the world. For the last 100 years at least. Hypocrisy in action. Big words about freedom and democracy, while action after action that yells out the contrary.

There have been moments when you reversed the trend. You got a lot of credit for finally (although it took 2 years of Europeans dying and a Japanese attack to do so) coming into WWII. Of course, thanks to the Marshall Plan following the war the US was well repaid for its efforts, but you were forgiven that. You were in the good books at that point and for many years afterwards. Americans were even respected then. Unfortunately, the USA has long since pissed away that karma credit.

Because I DO read history, not just the propaganda spewed out by ignorant American nationalists. You should too, if you wish to look less foolish to an audience that knows there is more to the world than Fox News. I know many of your countrymen already understand this. It’s time more of you did.

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By: Josh A http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1271 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:54:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1271 I read an interesting anecdote about several large empires: Roman, British, French and American.

The Romans and British wanted to be feared, the French wanted to be admired, and curiously, the Americans wanted to be liked.

It is very difficult to be liked when we are hypocritical in so many areas. However, putting the U.S. to an impossible test, such as the one Marc has done, is not very fair. After all this is a nation state, not the televangelist chatting about family values and acting the hypocrite when no one is looking. Marc, I ask you to put the U.S. into perspective against other nations, current and former. Could you really say that the U.S. has acted so differently from them? The sooner people take their faith away from the government/nation, the happier they might be, and may I dare say, more American.

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By: Carolyn B. http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1250 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:58:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1250 Honestly, I don’t think Europeans treat Americans any worse than their neighbors. Lot of xenophobia there as they tend to cling to their culture and distinguish themselves from their neighbors.

I am not saying it is okay to make fun of persons different from one’s self (whether American, European, or whatever), but we ought not always take it so personally. I mean look at us with our “Freedom Fries” and nicknames for Italian Americans and how we maligned the Irish, Native Americans, Mexicans, and African Americans, etc. I live on the West Coast and here people make fun of persons for simply living inland from the coast and what not. Really, we are all more alike than we are different!

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By: cris http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1247 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:21:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1247 America is no longer a superpower….that’s why it’s increasingly becoming less hated…as si,ple as that. As for the pathetic Americans abroad…they have all my pity.

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By: Ray http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1245 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:05:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1245 Whenever someone says that the hazing in the prison in Iraq is the reason for anti-american sentiment it bothers me that the beheading of an american on TV never managed to make the top 10 of reasons for supporting america in Iraq. I think international opinion is too fickle and self-absorbed to factor in.

While there may be “Ugly Americans” the fact of the matter is that UGLY extends everywhere you look, assuming you choose to look for it. Rather, those looking pick and choose.

Resentment of america IS about the fact that our people perhaps take for granted the blessings they have and, as a result, come across as too nonchalant about it. This looks like arrogance to some. Americans tend to think that what they have is available to everyone and it is an individual responsibility for their circumstance.

I must be noted that, while the availability of international travel has opened up significantly for the average american, historically, americans have been represented abroad mostly by business travelers at the upper management level. They bring with them a different perspective than the “average” american.

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By: CB http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1244 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:05:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1244 “Ugly”, “Beautiful” — whatever — the US remains the yardstick by which such banterers are measured. What’s funny is that it’s not the US that does the measuring — it’s only ingrates or the misinfrmed that tend to measure themselves. I question this “journalist’s” motive — is it a misplaced petty grievance from centuries past? Or simply ride a hate band wagon? Whatever the origin of the chip, pity! Heaven knows the the antagonistic stereotyping pissing match that could unfold – no nationality is safe – but how unifying, constructive & value add would that be? If you don’t have any intelletual insights that warrant an OpEd, you might want to limit the hyperbole to your local pub crew & leave the OpEd space for those better suited for writing insghtful commentary. The sooner we lay down antagonistic stereotypes, regardless of their origin, the sooner we can embrace people for who they are – the majoity of which are terrific individuals, regardless of their origin.

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By: Mattimat http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/12/barack-obama-and-the-ugly-american/#comment-1241 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:48:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=397#comment-1241 Hey Jordyn,
Speak for yourself, I’m from a little country in the South Pacific too and we need American tourists and money. So don’t make a blanket statement because not everyone in the South Pacific agrees with you!
It appears from the submitted comments, that there is a lot of envy and jealousy over the USA. Especially from the Europeans and Canadians…. oh thats right Canadians are Americans too!

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