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		<title>By: Madoff looks for more $$ &#124; The Weekly Point</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madoff looks for more $$ &#124; The Weekly Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] charities suffer from Bernard Madoff fraud case&#8221; at thejerusalemgiftshop.com. &#8220;Minimizing exposure to investment management fraud&#8221; at reuters.com by Mark T Williams.      Global Warming Scare? Low Rates!    No comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CyranoRox</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyranoRox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advice is absurd: if you have the time and skills to assess the credibility, controls, and capabilities of the manager; if you understand where the money will be invested, and approve; if you need to hedge your trust [and all your other information, admitting it is not reliable] by using multiple managers; if you believe that there is a valid and reliable relationship between risk and reward; why the devil are you not using this information and energy to avoid the whole mess?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advice is absurd: if you have the time and skills to assess the credibility, controls, and capabilities of the manager; if you understand where the money will be invested, and approve; if you need to hedge your trust [and all your other information, admitting it is not reliable] by using multiple managers; if you believe that there is a valid and reliable relationship between risk and reward; why the devil are you not using this information and energy to avoid the whole mess?</p>
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		<title>By: Market News Blurbs 12/17/08 &#124; MarketBlurbs.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/15/minimizing-exposure-to-investment-management-fraud/#comment-3338</link>
		<dc:creator>Market News Blurbs 12/17/08 &#124; MarketBlurbs.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark T. Williams, professor Boston University School of Management on taking personal responsibility for your money:  &#8220;Due diligence is the rigorous process undertaken to evaluate the controls, credibility, and capabilities of an investment firm prior to putting money at risk.  This process doesn’t stop once a money manager is chosen, but continues over the life of the relationship.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mark T. Williams, professor Boston University School of Management on taking personal responsibility for your money:  &#8220;Due diligence is the rigorous process undertaken to evaluate the controls, credibility, and capabilities of an investment firm prior to putting money at risk.  This process doesn’t stop once a money manager is chosen, but continues over the life of the relationship.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bernhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find your advise number 10 highly interesting. 

It should be clearly stated that the US has been one of the most ardent proponents (together with the UK) of preventing regulatory oversight of Hedge Funds in any form. 

I think there NUST be a renewed public debate why NOT regulating Hedge Funds is considered a good and appropriate government policy?  

Probably the past policies have been driven partly by influential figures like the ex Nasdaq boss? What was his Name? Madoff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your advise number 10 highly interesting. </p>
<p>It should be clearly stated that the US has been one of the most ardent proponents (together with the UK) of preventing regulatory oversight of Hedge Funds in any form. </p>
<p>I think there NUST be a renewed public debate why NOT regulating Hedge Funds is considered a good and appropriate government policy?  </p>
<p>Probably the past policies have been driven partly by influential figures like the ex Nasdaq boss? What was his Name? Madoff?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't overlook that some of us investment advisors work on fees and do not sell anything -- charging for our time and the value our counsel.  

In our own case, in addition to managing assets for clients, we provide fee-based investment coaching for those clients who prefer to maintain direct control of their assets.  

We do agree with the perspective that commission motivated advisors are conflicted and not well aligned with the interests of their clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t overlook that some of us investment advisors work on fees and do not sell anything &#8212; charging for our time and the value our counsel.  </p>
<p>In our own case, in addition to managing assets for clients, we provide fee-based investment coaching for those clients who prefer to maintain direct control of their assets.  </p>
<p>We do agree with the perspective that commission motivated advisors are conflicted and not well aligned with the interests of their clients.</p>
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		<title>By: jon fletzinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon fletzinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's just a matter of time until there is a mass exodus out of US investments by foreigners after the tech bubble, real estate bubble, and now US government debt bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just a matter of time until there is a mass exodus out of US investments by foreigners after the tech bubble, real estate bubble, and now US government debt bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Heteraetcaetera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heteraetcaetera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look: this scheme's been running for decades. At 8% "Investors" got their money back in 12.5 years. After that, it's pure profit. They spent it on themselves: so did Bernie. 

Now they want their capital back, as well? Wall Street types always tells you, when you ask too many questions, too close to the bone: if you can't afford to lose it, you shouldn't be putting in the market. Or you'd better know that the best time to pull your chips out of the game is not in the midst of a world-wide financial collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look: this scheme&#8217;s been running for decades. At 8% &#8220;Investors&#8221; got their money back in 12.5 years. After that, it&#8217;s pure profit. They spent it on themselves: so did Bernie. </p>
<p>Now they want their capital back, as well? Wall Street types always tells you, when you ask too many questions, too close to the bone: if you can&#8217;t afford to lose it, you shouldn&#8217;t be putting in the market. Or you&#8217;d better know that the best time to pull your chips out of the game is not in the midst of a world-wide financial collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hedge funds have been a ticking bomb and it went off. Greed of the wealthy caused this animal to awake and its time to pay up. This is not a bad thing.

It is clear the entire financial services industry is under regulated. We have systematically cut to the bone state and federal budgets and all but undermined the SEC, FRB, OCC, etc. From someone who is in regular contact with these entities, they lack the modern business model understanding, the focus, the concrete regulation ("guidance" should be erased from the vocabulary), the pockets, and the systems to combat the core problem. I am all for free markets, but today's level of oversight is grossly dated and misguided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedge funds have been a ticking bomb and it went off. Greed of the wealthy caused this animal to awake and its time to pay up. This is not a bad thing.</p>
<p>It is clear the entire financial services industry is under regulated. We have systematically cut to the bone state and federal budgets and all but undermined the SEC, FRB, OCC, etc. From someone who is in regular contact with these entities, they lack the modern business model understanding, the focus, the concrete regulation (&#8221;guidance&#8221; should be erased from the vocabulary), the pockets, and the systems to combat the core problem. I am all for free markets, but today&#8217;s level of oversight is grossly dated and misguided.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/15/minimizing-exposure-to-investment-management-fraud/#comment-3316</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, those recommendations are pretty close to worthless.  Goldman Sachs blamed losses in virtually every asset class for its quarterly loss of $2.1 Billion; so much for diversification.   I'm not a financial expert; that's why I hired one.  How do I tell if I'm being lied to?  
Who do I complain to if I can't get my my money back?
Define 'qualified'.  
What's a benchmark?  (Where do I even find a benchmark?)


I have a different set of questions:
pretty much the same questions you ask a potential contractor to work on your house.

are you licensed; how long have you been licensed?
have you ever done this before?
How many times/how long/when?
Are you insured?
Do you do the work or do you hire somebody else to do it?  
have you ever been sued?
has anyone ever taken you to court? filed a complaint?
are you being sued at the moment?

We agree on exactly what you're going to do.  You ask me before you make any changes.

Talk to at least 3 different 'contractors'.  I usually ask for references. 

For financial advisors:
Where are you putting it? 
How do you get paid? 
Do I pay you if I lose money?  (nothing like paying someone to lose money for you)
How many clients do you have?
How much money are you managing?
How long have you been doing it (in business)?

You may not get complete anwers to those questions, but you have to be comfortable with the answers.  In the end, it's your roof; you'd like it to keep you dry when it rains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, those recommendations are pretty close to worthless.  Goldman Sachs blamed losses in virtually every asset class for its quarterly loss of $2.1 Billion; so much for diversification.   I&#8217;m not a financial expert; that&#8217;s why I hired one.  How do I tell if I&#8217;m being lied to?<br />
Who do I complain to if I can&#8217;t get my my money back?<br />
Define &#8216;qualified&#8217;.<br />
What&#8217;s a benchmark?  (Where do I even find a benchmark?)</p>
<p>I have a different set of questions:<br />
pretty much the same questions you ask a potential contractor to work on your house.</p>
<p>are you licensed; how long have you been licensed?<br />
have you ever done this before?<br />
How many times/how long/when?<br />
Are you insured?<br />
Do you do the work or do you hire somebody else to do it?<br />
have you ever been sued?<br />
has anyone ever taken you to court? filed a complaint?<br />
are you being sued at the moment?</p>
<p>We agree on exactly what you&#8217;re going to do.  You ask me before you make any changes.</p>
<p>Talk to at least 3 different &#8216;contractors&#8217;.  I usually ask for references. </p>
<p>For financial advisors:<br />
Where are you putting it?<br />
How do you get paid?<br />
Do I pay you if I lose money?  (nothing like paying someone to lose money for you)<br />
How many clients do you have?<br />
How much money are you managing?<br />
How long have you been doing it (in business)?</p>
<p>You may not get complete anwers to those questions, but you have to be comfortable with the answers.  In the end, it&#8217;s your roof; you&#8217;d like it to keep you dry when it rains.</p>
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		<title>By: Rshah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rshah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This $50billion ponzi fraud scheme by this hedge fund manager is going to create a bad taste for most investors and you are going to see a mass exodus of funds. 

Their will be a lack of trust in the financial system not only from Americans here in the US but from investors worldwide not only because of the ponzi scheme but the toxic mortgages being dumped overseas. One day foreign capital will cease to flow to US like it does in corrupt countries right now. This will really mark the demise of the US and the financial problems faced right now by the US will be nothing compared to what would happen if "trust" of the financial systems were to break down even further.

Those that created the programs so be sent to jail not those that were just doing their job by following them. The senior managements and board of directors of the banks should be the ones to pay for the messes. The government should take out from their paycheck  and confiscate their assets until full payment is made. Let them feel some pain for putting millions out of work, out of homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This $50billion ponzi fraud scheme by this hedge fund manager is going to create a bad taste for most investors and you are going to see a mass exodus of funds. </p>
<p>Their will be a lack of trust in the financial system not only from Americans here in the US but from investors worldwide not only because of the ponzi scheme but the toxic mortgages being dumped overseas. One day foreign capital will cease to flow to US like it does in corrupt countries right now. This will really mark the demise of the US and the financial problems faced right now by the US will be nothing compared to what would happen if &#8220;trust&#8221; of the financial systems were to break down even further.</p>
<p>Those that created the programs so be sent to jail not those that were just doing their job by following them. The senior managements and board of directors of the banks should be the ones to pay for the messes. The government should take out from their paycheck  and confiscate their assets until full payment is made. Let them feel some pain for putting millions out of work, out of homes.</p>
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