Comments on: A Christmas wish: End traffic congestion in 2009 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: ewangelia http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-550941 Fri, 20 Mar 2015 17:22:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-550941 I loved as much as you’ll receive carried out right here. The sketch is attractive, your authored material stylish. nonetheless, you command get got an shakiness over that you wish be delivering the following. unwell unquestionably come more formerly again as exactly the same nearly a lot often inside case you shield this increase.

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By: Pete Cann http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4541 Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:32:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4541 Agreed or not (government cars & private roads), thanks for a splendid laugh, Diana!

Maybe we should have volunteers do both, considering how the fear of Linux got Microsoft to rethink the quality issue. (Now that it has, I’m afraid I use Windows.)

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By: Diana Furchtgott-Roth http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4535 Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:39:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4535 The best way to reduce traffice congestion would be to put the government in charge of making the cars, and the private sector in charge of building the roads. We’ll soon have plenty of excellent roads, and cars that no one wants to buy.

Diana

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By: Pete Cann http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4531 Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:09:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4531 Run cars on water, eh, Jack? We have researched it, more than you ever dreamed was possible.

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By: Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4498 Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:52:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4498 You can run cars on water. Don’t believe me? Research it for yourself.

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By: albert miller http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4417 Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:41:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4417 In Japan, young people are not buying cars. It is possible to have massive social changes in a short time. Right now, our major problem is air,water,and land pollution. Thank GOD,as far as air pollution is concerned, we can clean that up with our lungs.We could use human waste (poop), as fuel, and clean up water and land pollution simultaneously.Wait a minute! That’s stupid! Much better to do what big business dictates. Non polluting mass transit is definitely needed. We are not so damn special that we always have to be alone.

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By: Gerald Chasin http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4330 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:35:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4330 I totally agree with the comment posted above. The reasoning in this article involved how to make rational use of the automobile as a source of transportation. There is no rational use for the automobile. We do not need more roads or cars and the auto industry has to shrink by at least 75%. As Paul Krugman has suggested, eventually the auto companies will disappear. They will not do this soon enough in my view. Can we not relatively easily retrain auto workers to build light rail vehicles, trains and other things necessary for effective and efficient mass transit. Why not limit cars to public ownership which people can use on a shared basis. Efficient mass transit would mean less frustration for commutes, less accidents, injuries and deaths and certainly much less stress and anxiety. It would probably be much cheaper in the aggregate than using automobiles for transportation. Beware the hype of the automobile industry and its affiliates, the oil companies, parts companies, etc. No more roads please.

Gerald Chasin, Ph.D

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By: Pete Cann http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4229 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:05:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4229 Could we try when possible to make posts shorter? Also, failure to address a post doesn’t imply acceptance. Some time ago a wealthy, skilled, college-educated person was telling me how he cuts off ambulances when driving. There’s one culture, mentioned earlier, that I do particularly dislike, even though I often think it’s because they’re so much like me!

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By: paul rosa http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4200 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:10:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4200 I doubt that traffic signals are really that large a problem. In New York City the lights are timed with the aim of preventing gridlock. I think the assertion that lights are placed so people are forced to see the shops by the way is spurious. So much shopping is done along commercial strips and malls that I seriously doubt that the placement of traffic lights has any impact on the driver’s destination. One is only expected to read signs on a commercial strip. It’s a very thin argument. If you know how hard it is to influence the fitting out of a street let alone a major highway – and the agencies involved – at the local, state and federal levels, I don’t think you would be so ready to believe that signage is heavily influenced by local merchants. But some signage was placed in a local bypass to indicate where the commercial center is in my neighborhood.

The design of a local bypass limited access highway in the town I live in, allowed for a great deal of public input and the result, like most political decisions, made no one particularly happy. Everyone had something to complain about. You could almost say the traffic planners should be complimented for a job well done. It reduced the congestion of the small town center. But in the few years since it was completed – the traffic levels have already grown downtown almost to the level they were before the bypass was built. Development raced on ahead and it was probably due to the decreased time it now takes for drivers to reach employment elsewhere. The town is more accessible in a shorter time.

Banishing the poor from highways is a little cavalier to say the least. But practically speaking – the high cost of a vehicle seems to push that way anyway. I am a low-income person but I live in a rural area. I have no choice but to use a car. But I don’t commute. I work out of my home and only need to take occasional trips to clients. There are no other services available except for a small taxi company (one or two drivers) and that is far more expensive than the costs associated with a private vehicle. I also take offense at the idea that poor people are bad drivers. That is also a spurious assertion. It’s almost nauseating that there are people out there who really believe that because they are better paid they are better over all. That is probably the flimsiest idea I have ever heard.

Political leadership on this issue will probably only take the form of tax incentives for alternate and “green” transportation. The state government in this state – New Hampshire – is running on short money now. The whole country is going to have a hard time paying for any dramatic change in transportation infrastructure. The older cities of the US that have subways and extensive bus systems have them because the design of the city made it economical for private entities (for busses) and local authorities (trains and subways) to operate them at all. The suburbs are too dispersed and at too low population density to serve economically with public transportation.

Most suburban areas of this country were built after the Second World War. The car was king. The subway and commuter rail lines generally date from the late 19th century up to the WWII era. It was a very different land use pattern after the war than it was before the war.

Perhaps most people don’t know it but the NYC subway system was built by private enterprise. Many decades later it was taken over and extended by the City. What makes it difficult to do anything as dramatic as digging a trench down major avenues and boulevards today is the ability to get approval to do that from the local residents. Tens of thousands of property owners willhave abutter’s rights. The New York City system was started in Manhattan and in large part preceded the development of the island. The subway opened up the furthest reaches of the burrows to new development. That was also true of the streetcar system. Read Sam Bass Warner for more on this.

If the country is ever going to do a serous job trying to create low carbon and sustainable developmentand transportation itis going to have to deal with sprawl.When in the long history of this or any other developed country has “sustainability” ever been an issue – we don’t even know what that really weans yet? They will have to try to set limits on sprawl. There are a lot of reasons to fight sprawl beside the issue of traffic control and efficiency. But without the ability of the city centers to influence and design the suburban areas there won’t be much meaningful change.

Unfortunately the cities do not and probably will never have the ability to command zoning changes in their suburban areas. It would require the creation of greater metropolitan scale planning agencies that could dictate substantial development changes in the suburbs and the suburbs will fight that every step of the way. Our constitution puts a lot of emphasis on individual liberties and property rights. No single political entity governs any greater metropolitan area in this country. It might be impossible to ever create that entity. Each town would have to agree to become part of such a creature. And that move would have enormous impact on every aspect of a suburban town’s ability to control it’s own destiny.

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By: Gary http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/12/24/a-christmas-wish-end-traffic-congestion-in-2009/#comment-4190 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:14:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=1027#comment-4190 I must say…this item has been promoted on the Reuters home page for several days, surrounded by a long list of the world’s tragedies and catastrophes. It certainly makes the headline a little less urgent. When the world is falling apart, “traffic congestion” certainly seems less important.

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