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	<title>Comments on: Executive pay caps: &#8220;stealth nationalization&#8221; or &#8220;political grandstanding&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Perplexio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perplexio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a company needs a government bail-out, I&#039;d argue that the talent that may actually be deserving of 7 figure salaries and huge bonsues have either already left those companies or were never there to begin with.  

Putting executive salary caps in place for companies who seek bail-outs is an excellent move as it will either inspire those on the cusp to sort out their own problems and avoid those salary caps by avoiding a bailout OR to accept a bail-out and with out accountability for past failures with an impetus to turn their companies around so they can pay back the bail out money as swiftly as possible and climb out from under the salary caps imposed upon them by the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a company needs a government bail-out, I&#8217;d argue that the talent that may actually be deserving of 7 figure salaries and huge bonsues have either already left those companies or were never there to begin with.  </p>
<p>Putting executive salary caps in place for companies who seek bail-outs is an excellent move as it will either inspire those on the cusp to sort out their own problems and avoid those salary caps by avoiding a bailout OR to accept a bail-out and with out accountability for past failures with an impetus to turn their companies around so they can pay back the bail out money as swiftly as possible and climb out from under the salary caps imposed upon them by the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One cannot understand the madness of our civilization, because we are so used to it. - Eckart Tolle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One cannot understand the madness of our civilization, because we are so used to it. &#8211; Eckart Tolle</p>
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		<title>By: B.Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that I am a little more radical that those who have posted so far. 

Since the compensations for these top exec’s and board members are so far outside the common stockholders control, this corporate environment has created, in essence, a corporate aristocracy at the determent of the stock holders and the consumers. There is no one worth what these corporations are paying. It is my opinion that no top exec or board member should be compensated more that the President of the US. The Fact that some of these corporations exec’s took TARP money and then pain bonuses is outrageous and basically the corporate aristocracy is flipping the finger at all of us.  Kind of like when the French aristocracy, during a famine and just before the revolution, in utter lack of concern for the plight of the starving people said “Let them eat cake.” The US corporate aristocracy shows a total lack of concern for the people of the US and outrageous arrogance in their actions and attitude toward the economic emergency effecting millions of Americans. What they are saying is even though our corporate greed was responsible for the current economic condition and loss of millions of jobs we expect, no demand that the US tax payer be obliged to maintain our current lifestyle.  In my opinion, I believe these social leaches got off easy. In France the People rose up and executed the arrogant bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that I am a little more radical that those who have posted so far. </p>
<p>Since the compensations for these top exec’s and board members are so far outside the common stockholders control, this corporate environment has created, in essence, a corporate aristocracy at the determent of the stock holders and the consumers. There is no one worth what these corporations are paying. It is my opinion that no top exec or board member should be compensated more that the President of the US. The Fact that some of these corporations exec’s took TARP money and then pain bonuses is outrageous and basically the corporate aristocracy is flipping the finger at all of us.  Kind of like when the French aristocracy, during a famine and just before the revolution, in utter lack of concern for the plight of the starving people said “Let them eat cake.” The US corporate aristocracy shows a total lack of concern for the people of the US and outrageous arrogance in their actions and attitude toward the economic emergency effecting millions of Americans. What they are saying is even though our corporate greed was responsible for the current economic condition and loss of millions of jobs we expect, no demand that the US tax payer be obliged to maintain our current lifestyle.  In my opinion, I believe these social leaches got off easy. In France the People rose up and executed the arrogant bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: cyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In publicly held companies the Board of Directors decides who is compensated and how they are compensated. The failure here is in unregulated securities and financial instruments that did not exist three years ago(CDS,MBS,CDO) which have masked rampant criminality, and a wholesale looting of the Treasury. Private equity and hedge funds were made up out of whole cloth to launder money and mask criminality from individuals and governments; in other words; they stole it. Capping pay from bailout recipients is a good PR move, it looks good;
but it is symbolic, and has the real time relevance of closing the barn door after a stampede.

Frankly, I don&#039;t know what they are going to do. I think people really need to start thinking long term survival.

I tell my teens &quot;Frugal is the new Black&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In publicly held companies the Board of Directors decides who is compensated and how they are compensated. The failure here is in unregulated securities and financial instruments that did not exist three years ago(CDS,MBS,CDO) which have masked rampant criminality, and a wholesale looting of the Treasury. Private equity and hedge funds were made up out of whole cloth to launder money and mask criminality from individuals and governments; in other words; they stole it. Capping pay from bailout recipients is a good PR move, it looks good;<br />
but it is symbolic, and has the real time relevance of closing the barn door after a stampede.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t know what they are going to do. I think people really need to start thinking long term survival.</p>
<p>I tell my teens &#8220;Frugal is the new Black&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Blanchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I am not for ANY bailout whatsoever, I believe that the CEO, CFO, COO\&#039;s of the companies, (and the directors) that recieved TARP should have constraints. Sure there may be some who leave, but if they were doing their job in the first place their companies would not be in the shape they are in. 
I believe all upper management should be let go in order to change the culture of a failing company. 
Let\&#039;s not forget as well that those CEO\&#039;s are getting huge options tied to repayment and performance. If I were a CEO making several million a year, and had any integrity and sense of responsibility, I would waive my compensation completely just to set a new tone and example. 
C\&#039;mon this is not rocket science, greed is great for the economy, talent should be rewarded-obviosly not for poor performance as in the companies recieving TARP. Notice all the CEO\&#039;s scrambling to find a way NOT to get it?
We need to get rid of the excess in spending, streamline operations, pay for performance, and NOT provide ridulous payouts for not performing, (golen parachutes).
I do think that states and local governments who recieve TARP should also be subject to the same constraints!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am not for ANY bailout whatsoever, I believe that the CEO, CFO, COO\&#8217;s of the companies, (and the directors) that recieved TARP should have constraints. Sure there may be some who leave, but if they were doing their job in the first place their companies would not be in the shape they are in.<br />
I believe all upper management should be let go in order to change the culture of a failing company.<br />
Let\&#8217;s not forget as well that those CEO\&#8217;s are getting huge options tied to repayment and performance. If I were a CEO making several million a year, and had any integrity and sense of responsibility, I would waive my compensation completely just to set a new tone and example.<br />
C\&#8217;mon this is not rocket science, greed is great for the economy, talent should be rewarded-obviosly not for poor performance as in the companies recieving TARP. Notice all the CEO\&#8217;s scrambling to find a way NOT to get it?<br />
We need to get rid of the excess in spending, streamline operations, pay for performance, and NOT provide ridulous payouts for not performing, (golen parachutes).<br />
I do think that states and local governments who recieve TARP should also be subject to the same constraints!</p>
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		<title>By: LU Keehong</title>
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		<dc:creator>LU Keehong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Reuter - The Great Debate

We have to recognize the action proposed by President Obama for what it is - a short term fix. 

A fix that say: your banks are in trouble. Your banks will NOT be around IF the taxpayers money is not mobilized (reluctantly by some who opposed this since this fly against the capitalism system and culture that America is well known for around the world!). You are NOT that much of a talent if you can run your banks into the ground while getting paid millions (Right?)!

The long term fix is personal integrity of the people who are talented and are in leadership position in America - public or private spheres.

President Obama and his team are fighting an extrenched culture in the banking industry. As we know it is not easy to change a culture, what more an entrenched one. e.g. many spoke for guns control whenever there were senseless killing by someone in the USA while nothing changed seriously! e.g. some have highlighted the obsesity crisis American is facing against we are still seeing up-size everthing! e.g. we have been talking about gas efficient cars for years and yet not many people want to trade the speedster gas guzzlers for an electric or hydrid cars.

There are endless examples how difficult it is to change a culture. A habit!

So, we need to get behind President Obama on this crusade. It is a start. It will be controversial. The more we debate about it, the better.

Once we can see clearly how important it is that ALL talented people who are in leadership position embrace personal integrity, they will NOT over-pay themselves (with a 3rd party oversight), they will NOT over-consume and over-eat so that they need that multi-million dollar compensation pacakge!

President Obama need more people to share the same idealism. The idealism that will change even an &#039;entrenched culture&#039;!

Best regards
LU Keehong Mr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Reuter &#8211; The Great Debate</p>
<p>We have to recognize the action proposed by President Obama for what it is &#8211; a short term fix. </p>
<p>A fix that say: your banks are in trouble. Your banks will NOT be around IF the taxpayers money is not mobilized (reluctantly by some who opposed this since this fly against the capitalism system and culture that America is well known for around the world!). You are NOT that much of a talent if you can run your banks into the ground while getting paid millions (Right?)!</p>
<p>The long term fix is personal integrity of the people who are talented and are in leadership position in America &#8211; public or private spheres.</p>
<p>President Obama and his team are fighting an extrenched culture in the banking industry. As we know it is not easy to change a culture, what more an entrenched one. e.g. many spoke for guns control whenever there were senseless killing by someone in the USA while nothing changed seriously! e.g. some have highlighted the obsesity crisis American is facing against we are still seeing up-size everthing! e.g. we have been talking about gas efficient cars for years and yet not many people want to trade the speedster gas guzzlers for an electric or hydrid cars.</p>
<p>There are endless examples how difficult it is to change a culture. A habit!</p>
<p>So, we need to get behind President Obama on this crusade. It is a start. It will be controversial. The more we debate about it, the better.</p>
<p>Once we can see clearly how important it is that ALL talented people who are in leadership position embrace personal integrity, they will NOT over-pay themselves (with a 3rd party oversight), they will NOT over-consume and over-eat so that they need that multi-million dollar compensation pacakge!</p>
<p>President Obama need more people to share the same idealism. The idealism that will change even an &#8216;entrenched culture&#8217;!</p>
<p>Best regards<br />
LU Keehong Mr.</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think that companies receiving federal assistance should be subject to some restrictions on how they spend that money.&quot;

I agree - either federal receivership or the daily presence of a DCAA auditor - those folks can find fly s*** in the elephant&#039;s a**.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that companies receiving federal assistance should be subject to some restrictions on how they spend that money.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; either federal receivership or the daily presence of a DCAA auditor &#8211; those folks can find fly s*** in the elephant&#8217;s a**.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that companies receiving federal assistance should be subject to some restrictions on how they spend that money.  Defense contractors are all subject to lots of restrictions on what is termed an &quot;allowable cost&quot; in performing work for the government and that includes a limitation on executive compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that companies receiving federal assistance should be subject to some restrictions on how they spend that money.  Defense contractors are all subject to lots of restrictions on what is termed an &#8220;allowable cost&#8221; in performing work for the government and that includes a limitation on executive compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capping the ridiculous salaries of some CEOs will not drive out talent. Obviously the only talent the current heads had was how to increase their own wealth, so keeping them down to a few million a year, I think, is only fair.

And what does it matter if it drives a stake through the heart of a dead business? I&#039;d prefer my money to be in the hands of humans, not vampires (which is a good metaphor for what those people did to the world&#039;s finances).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capping the ridiculous salaries of some CEOs will not drive out talent. Obviously the only talent the current heads had was how to increase their own wealth, so keeping them down to a few million a year, I think, is only fair.</p>
<p>And what does it matter if it drives a stake through the heart of a dead business? I&#8217;d prefer my money to be in the hands of humans, not vampires (which is a good metaphor for what those people did to the world&#8217;s finances).</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pay cap will drive the best talent from these institutions thus driving the stake through the heart of businesses that are already dead...</description>
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