Comments on: Setback for America’s pro-Israel hawks http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Adamwestiii http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-26573 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:32:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-26573 How many times we’ve heard Palestinin leaders said they would not negotiate peace until Israel stops building settlements on Palestinian land? Yet, Netanyuhu has the gall to say he never heard any preconditions to that effect. And our beloved Secretary of State standing next to Neyanyuhu said Israel is giving up more in order to have Palestinian leader come to the peace table. She’s no different than Netanyahu! Both stand their making statements that are “bold lies.” What our govt needs to do is stop aid and grants to Israel. We’ve given Israel in excess of 104 trillion dollars since 1948. Annual Grant to Israel is $1400 per person living in Israel.
Not enough? Israel has nuclear weapons, not a member of NPT, and according to US Law, Israel is not entitled to any aid because of its violations.

It’s pathetic that facts of how the Palestinians are treated by occupiers aren’t borne out. They are treated like caged animals!! How would Americans act if we were under occupation for any period of time!! Course AIPAC and its followers run our great nation! The politicians will do anything to support Israel to enhance their own campaign funding!

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-10687 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:11:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-10687 Well done HIS, you provide me one opinion from a coward’s who’s father himself was killed by an IDF soldier. I did learn something, there is someone even more neocon than our own crazed Fox and Sky news.

Not even the most right wing republican apologist has stated that Hamas attacked and invaded Israel for 2 years before the counter.

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By: Nu'man http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-10240 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:29:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-10240 2 interesting articles posted this morning by Haaretz correspondent Amos Harel:

“IDF in Gaza: Killing civilians, vandalism, and lax rules of engagement”:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072 040.html

“ANALYSIS / Can Israel dismiss its own troops’ stories from Gaza?”:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072 228.html

More testimony is expected Friday

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By: HIS http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-10164 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:21:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-10164 Read. Learn something.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12373322 4510363157.html

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By: Michael http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-10053 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:31:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-10053 HIS, I think myself and 95% of the rest of the board know who’s being duped here. I don’t take a word of what Fox News, Sky News, CNN or BBC say seriously because they absolutely REFUSE to cover and show the rubble that Palestinians have been left to rot in.

It’s a shame we ever give or have given a penny to these crooks. The average american homeowner pays 40% of their income on taxes and all we get are failed attempts at American Imperialism.

Hamas and the IDF both are in the wrong but I completely understand why the people of Palestine would elect Hamas, they feel completely defenseless and they’ve been driven to believe that these people are their only hope, even though this belief is wrong. Both are wrong but Israel has all the power, making them even more in the wrong.

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By: Dan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-9993 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:03:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-9993 It is time for American taxpayers and voters to identify those traitors who are in the congress or in the senate of the United States of America and working for another foreign country, agents of AIPAC and throw them out and charge them with treason. It is enough swindling the whole America in the name of the security of other country and instead we should be concerned about the security and well being of America

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By: HIS http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-9953 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:16:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-9953 Michael

You’re in as much of a coma as Ariel. Sharon hasn’t been Prime Minister for over 3 years and despite what he may have said as a General in the IDF (and you’ve not provided any citations or context), as PM he formally committed to a Palestinian state, stated so a multitude of times and in many places including the UN, and ethnically cleansed Gaza of every last living Jew to accommodate the neo-nazi Palestinians who insist that their territory be judenrein.

More to the point, you’re holding a particularly weak hand on a day when,

1) reconciliation talks between Hamas and Fatah have collapsed because of Hamas’ refusal to abide previous agreements or recognize Israel’s right to exist, and

2) Hassan Nasrallah stated that the Lebanese people are “capable of defeating this entity [Israel] and can make it disappear,” and therefore, Hizbullah will not recognize Israel, “not today, not tomorrow, not even in 1,000 years.”

Reuters of course, has not even seen fit to report the above comments because it would inform their readers and upset their anti-Israel agenda.

You’re being duped, Michael. Wake up.

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By: Ramsey Lawrence http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-9886 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:14:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-9886 An ignorant few keep on repeating the fallacy (perhaps hoping that it will become yet another established myth that serves the Israeli interests)that Israel responded to Hizbollah’s rockets, thereby acting in legitimate, if disproportionate, self defence. In fact I recall two soldiers were captured (Hizbollah firing on some Israeli tanks on the border during the precipitative raid). Israel responded by refusing to discuss any prisoner swap and threatening to turn Lebanon to the stone age. They then proceeded to bombard civilian infrastructure, schools, hospitals, bridges, power plants etc for eight days (killing civilians and children almost exclusively) – yes, I repeat for eight whole horrific days, before Hizbollah fired the first retaliatory missile into Northern Israel. Indeed since the war ended nearly 3 years ago, over 230 civilians (usually children or farmers)have continued to die because of the 4 million Israeli cluster bombs dropped indiscriminately on civilian areas during the last two days of the conflict (in fact these were dropped after the ceasefire had been agreed, thereby serving no purpose). I suppose these children are dying and being maimed because Israel is “defending” itself. Incidentally the IDF have repeatedly refused to provide maps of the cluster bomb sites to the UN in order to facilitate their removal.

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By: Ramsey Lawrence http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-9882 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:55:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-9882 The unsavoury and homocidal “Arab Militias” in Darfur are not Arab at all. Notwithstanding this unfortunate nomenclature, it is quite clear that they are ethnically, culturally,and racially distinct from the semitic (and occasionally caucasian) Arabs (themselves a diverse group of races). The fact that they are “Islamicists” or “arab speaking” makes them no more “Arab” than say, the Nigerians or Eritraeans. I only point out what the media assume is taken for granted in the use of the term (originally a nickname of sorts)”arab militias”.

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By: Dan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/03/05/setback-for-americas-pro-israel-hawks/#comment-9879 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:39:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2345#comment-9879 To all the spin-doctors, read this and stop your stupid argument about how Israel is a Flourishing Democracy. It is a brutal regime that knows no mercy, even on little children. Who ever supplied them with the killing machines and paid for, are in fact guilty of accessory to murders.

Read this again

Over 300 UK academics signed a letter to The Guardian newspaper saying ‘Israel must lose’. It’s worth reprinting:

** “The massacres in Gaza are the latest phase of a war that Israel has been waging against the people of Palestine for more than 60 years. The goal of this war has never changed: to use overwhelming military power to eradicate the Palestinians as a political force, one capable of resisting Israel’s ongoing appropriation of their land and resources. Israel’s war against the Palestinians has turned Gaza and the West Bank into a pair of gigantic political prisons. There is nothing symmetrical about this war in terms of principles, tactics or consequences. Israel is responsible for launching and intensifying it, and for ending the most recent lull in hostilities.

Israel must lose. It is not enough to call for another ceasefire, or more humanitarian assistance. It is not enough to urge the renewal of dialogue and to acknowledge the concerns and suffering of both sides. If we believe in the principle of democratic self-determination, if we affirm the right to resist military aggression and colonial occupation, then we are obliged to take sides… against Israel, and with the people of Gaza and the West Bank.

We must do what we can to stop Israel from winning its war. Israel must accept that its security depends on justice and peaceful coexistence with its neighbours, and not upon the criminal use of force.

We believe Israel should immediately and unconditionally end its assault on Gaza, end the occupation of the West Bank, and abandon all claims to possess or control territory beyond its 1967 borders. We call on the British government and the British people to take all feasible steps to oblige Israel to comply with these demands, starting with a programme of boycott, divestment and sanctions.” **

They’re right. The humiliating rituals taking place daily under Israeli occupation shows whose existence is really at stake. Blaming Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, Arafat, Carter, ‘self-hating Jews’, Saddam, Islam, and… whatever else they can add onto the pile has served Israeli politicians well. Until now.

I think it’s beginning to dawn on many American and European policymakers that Israel’s behavior is a liability. They’re finding it increasingly difficult to justify the near total collapse of Palestinian civil society as ’self defense’.

It’s also heartening to see the rise of a similar movement amongst U.S. and Israeli academics calling for an end to the settler enterprise. What started as an experiment in military colonialism is now a foreign policy disaster. And one threatening the moral character of the Jewish state.”

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