Comments on: Obama’s plea to EU on Turkey carries risks http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Jim http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12793 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:29:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12793 Our problem here in the U.S. is that most Americans would not be able to locate Turkey on a map, let alone grasp the outlines of the situation. We have the same problem with Pakistan.

It appears that our knowledge of the world grows mostly after having had a war in a region. A certain number of people (few) end up having insights into a region or a people, but this knowledge is neglected and ends up vanishing in a short time.

It seems to me that our nation should be engaging Turkey on many levels, but we do not have the competence yet to be making pronouncements. I was pleased to hear President Obama emphasize that he was there (in Europe and the Middle East) to listen, but isn’t it astonishing that some people attacked him even for that?

I am even getting tired of listening to myself say “Look at the record.” It’s the same story over and over again. We don’t learn and seem to have little desire to.

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By: Ignacio Peralta http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12550 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:19:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12550 This issue is for Europeans and not for Americans to deal with. If we take in Turkey, why not Morocco or Egypt? and Tunisia and Libya… or, instead, make Turkey America’s 51 state if Obama likes them so much…

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By: Maria http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12439 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:28:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12439 Yes, Farah….but what will be the price!???????????
EU dependence from Turkey , very unbalance….good try.
It is focusing in future PEACE that thee ie all about.
These is a partenrship matter, protetection of population, HUMAN BEING LIFES-Populations involved, that depend on, not politics, or hate, or economics, or convinience for one side or another or simply blog chat.

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By: Sanat http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12389 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:42:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12389 You want to know why France wants to make Turkish inclusion subject to a referendum ? Because immigration has proven to be a CATASTROPHE for that country ! The integration of other cultures is a noble thought, but it DON’T work ! Canada is another prime example of how a society can unravel when immigrants insist upon living in their adoptive country as if they had never left their home country. No one in Canada identifies any longer with being CANADIAN (with the possible exception of a few players on a hockey team). Everyone is either Ukrainian, Honduran, Haitian, Italian, Jewish, etc. The Americans had great foresight when they created the notion of the ‘Melting-pot’. If fact, no other system seems to work.

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By: fedez http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12383 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:11:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12383 Nasty article and nasty comments…

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By: Ryan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12380 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:52:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12380 I think the broader issue at stake here is the modernization of countries that are still stuck with antiquated human rights practices. Obama’s goal is not to “westernize” Turkey or change the fundamental culture of the country. He is simply looking to improve the lives of people that are persecuted every day for race or religious beliefs. The European Union may be the wrong vehicle for that change in this case; Turkey is definitely not your typical European nation, but it is the best option available in this case. This is about human rights, not politics, and the EU is the most sensible opportunity for the necessary changes to be implemented in Turkey.

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By: NO-TO-EU http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12379 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:36:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12379 The European Friends, I understand you feel free to comment on what the USA does and doesn’t all the time, but the expressing any idea on EU politics is off-limits when it comes to the USA. Perhaps the USA should not have saved France from German occupation in the second world war, noticing that this is a intra-European matter as well.Or perhaps the French would have shown more resistance to occupantion that time than they do now towards the USA and Turkey.

As a Turkish citizen, I would myself vote “no” in a referandum today to becoming a full EU members. Turkey should comntinue strenghtening ties wtih the USA, Turks should continue work hard, attrack local and foregn ivestments and continue reaching the growth rates that EU can’t even see in her wildest dreams. Aging Europe with constant use of its compettiveness and attractiveness would only be burden in Turkey’s future. when the time comes EU will want to join “Turkey” perhaps.

I urge the Turkish politicians to drop the membership application and/or Sarkozy/Merkel and some others to end the hypocrical approach ans should simply put a full stop to negotiations, by stopping intented delays.

One little reminder to my Greek and Cypriot frinds, tell me who made the military cup in the united Island of Cyprus in 1974 and killed hundreds of innnocent Turks there mostly children and women, against which Turkish troops wnet to the island. SECONDLY, WHO VOTED NO IN 2004 REFERANDUM IN CYPRUS, THAT WOULD UNIFY ISLAND AND END THE “SO CALLED INVASION”. I would be pleased if some one answers those questions.

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By: levent http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12377 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:24:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12377 I guess from the same reasons most of our friends mention, Albania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Hercegovina are not part of Europe while all their neighbours are part of “Europe”. And Russia is just a gas-petroleum dealer for Europe, and they should shut up and dont tell their opinions when time comes. China also should serve Europe-West as a cheap factory base and should not say their word in world affairs… In Cyprus Greek guerillas did not slaughter ethnic Turkish citizens, maybe they committed suicide just to make a reason for Turkey to occupy? (And not only once, twice 1960s-1974) Armenians were totally naive, they did not slaughter whole villages and cities in the eastern Anatolia before 1915… The biased thinking leads you such conclusions. You may also forget soon that Serbian war criminals killed 8000 innocents in Hodjali in one day, while “European” Peacekeepers (!) watched the case…

I think Europe should change its snobbish attitude towards the rest of the world. Thats the reason why now US is superpower, thats why Obama and Americans see themselves in power to advice you what to do since 1945, because they can ” change ” and enjoy efficient, multi-ethnic, multi-religion human resources and are not bounded in the details of history. At the same time, racism is in high levels even between EU citizens.

Thats all I would say, of course Turkey should change for the good of its citizens and we as citizens will do our best for it. I would also add that we are not worse than new members of EU in that process. In the end we will see what happens. The rest is politics which is very much biased in Europe including TR…

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By: Farah http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12372 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:36:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12372 There are pros and cons on almost everything. Everybody talks about why Turkey should not be part of EU. But no one really talks about why Turkey should be part of EU. many ordinary people like myself look at this issue with one sided perspective which is “Religion” But many of you are not focusing on other important reasons why Turkey should be part of EU. Obama and some politicians analyzing this issue by listing all pros and cons together. At the end many people don’t even notice that EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needs EU. Simply due to economics, population, workforce, market, natural resources, geographic position, many more…. and many of you look at this issue short term. In the long run EU will gain much more with Turkey than without Turkey. It is just simple math. In my opinion, people should focus on future peace, not previous hate and discrimination.

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By: cicero http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/06/obamas-plea-to-eu-on-turkey-carries-risks/#comment-12371 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:29:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=2906#comment-12371 Turkey has a long way to go to become a EU member. Oddly, while Ataturk was alive, Turkey was much more European than today. How could Turks aspire to be a part of Europe when their prime minister and president parade their wifes in headscarves, AND encourage the rest of the Turkish women to follow suit? If anything, since AKP came to power, Turks have been rowing backwards.
On the other hand, when Germans speak of Turks not being civilised enough, they must be forgetting the deeds of a genyleman called Adolf Hitler. So,Germans are in no position to lecture the Turks on being civilised.

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