Comments on: The economic cost of climate change legislation http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Free Atlast http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-16548 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:01:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-16548 Unforunately, it seems Obama and the US government have no leverage Internationally and can do nothing but kiss and make-up with the rest of the world for the last 8 years. If we are going to get serious about our economy, and our environment, then we’re going to need much more courage and leadership from Washington. We need to stand up and claim our world leadership and call the bluff of every other world “leader” resisting their own responsibilties to their region, and to humankind.

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By: Roberto Navarro http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13886 Tue, 05 May 2009 19:46:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13886 ¿Who defined that USA is the only in charge of the climate change legislation? This change is a worldwide concern.USA and some countries of Europe burned huge Terawatts of energy per hour, during 24 hours per day, during 365 days per year.Now is the time for pay to the world this crazy economical system.Each of your habitants must reduce the use of energy via laws that increase the cost of the energy in accordance with the range of consumption, more energy, more pay, but establishing as base line the standard consumption of a native habitant in a development country, as Colombia, living in one of the most rich natural regions, the few last cleaner system for the sustainability of the nature, responsibility of all in the land.

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By: PO http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13785 Sat, 02 May 2009 09:59:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13785 Jim,the topic of the article is the economic cost of climate change legislation. a holocaust of the main sources currently responsible for carbon emissions would seem the most ‘economically cost-effective’ option to me given people think that investing in clean energy is too costly.Hawaii and west coast, and certainly not the rest of the world, don’t fit in with this criteria of world’s biggest polluters. California is basically an independent nation in these matters anyway.This criteria doesn’t discriminate against nationality or religion – just your life choice. Why should the rest of the world have to suffer to support the overweight, morally and financially bankrupt lifestyles of the world’s worst polluters? The rest of the world, including other industrial countries with perfectly adequate standards of living, can go back to enjoying the lords bounty without destroying it.Diana

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By: Clean Tech http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13771 Fri, 01 May 2009 21:00:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13771 “Solar photovoltaic panels placed on just seven percent of the roof area currently covered by cities and residences could generate all of America’s electricity needs, significantly mitigating the effects of global warming.” — National Renewable Energy Lab studyWe have the need, the technology, the business case, and we have the public will to switch to clean and renewable energy sources today.Conversion costs off of fossil fuels and the benefits are all too apparent to those who see the big cost picture and can connect the dots of environmental and security consequences resulting from no or inadequate half measures towards carbon emissions mitigation.A honest perspective on the business-as-usual consequences of our historic energy policies source options is something the vested energy interests within the Republican party have consistently failed to consider, or demonstrate when the GOP leads.

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By: Jim http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13610 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:19:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13610 Why is Diana only calling for a nuclear “holocaust” against the US East Coast and Middle America? Why not the West Coast and Hawaii as well? After all, they’re also part of the “Black Carbon Tumor”. While she’s at it, why not just exterminate all industrialized humanity, leaving a scattered population of nomadic hunter-gatherers overseen by a select few treehugging whackos like herself?

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By: Mike http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13585 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:07:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13585 Once again, you are changing the argument into purely economic terms. Certainly any switch to alternative energy is going to cost money. Is the status quo ‘cheaper’? Would a world 30 years from now, with submerged seaboards and an end to peak oil be ‘cheaper’? Imagine a hurricane like Katrina every couple of years due to warmer ocean waters. Now that’s a small bill to pay, correct? But since the climate argument seems to be over (Ms. Furchtgott-Roth doesn’t argue those points), she seems to feel that nuclear can somehow ‘solve’ the problem. But even if we were to go full-bore on nuclear (driving up the price of fuel material), we still need to replace the 100+ reactors that are nearly 30 years old, and then have to deal with the policial realities of handling the nuclear waste. Alternative energy isn’t relegated to solar and wind, either…I’m sure the 0 emmission hydroelectric Washington State uses more than covers their fewer solar days, and Rhode Island’s wind and wave power would suffice for their needs. But the salient point remains…we have an environmental energy problem. We need to fix it. We should do it in a cost effective manner. So, Ms. Furchtgott-Roth, knowing it must be fixed, what’s your fix?

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By: B.Free http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13512 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:59:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13512 Below is a comment I made on one of Reuters Great Debate articles regarding the CO2 issues. The numbers are from creditable web sites. My point in the first paragraph is that there is a large disparity regarding how much is attributable to humans and within that there is a large disparity regarding how much to attribute to which industry. Given that here the “scientists” guess how much is from what to total 796.4GTs per year of CO2. I am not sure if the 796.4 is the starting number andthey know this one is pretty accurate and try to fit in their best guesses or what. All I do know it that it is pretty standard to attribute a small percentage for human activity. This is around 3%. That is total human impact. If we were to stop all of our CO2 output toinclude farting would it really have any significant effect?Mount St. Helens Is State’s Top PolluterPosted on: Thursday, 2 December 2004, 08:40 CSTNOT taking into consideration eruptions, one active volcano produces more green house gases than any state in the Union. According the Smithsonian Institute the combined days of eruptive episodes has increased seven fold within the last 100 years. That is eruptions which belches out huge amounts of green house gases. And whatI think is really funny is Global Warming propaganda outthere states because the warming can be correlated to the increase in volcanic activity then the increase in volcanic is due to the global warming that man has caused. You have to really sit their and do a double take. They will not in any way consider that some other force may be at work but humanity. One even tries to get you to believe that the increase in activity is do to ice melting which started after the increase in volcanicactivity began. Humanity’s impact can only change the amount of CO2 by no more than 3% yet we are the cause? I am not convinced!In the past 10 years our coal fired plants have improved CO2 emissions considerably from 200 million tons to 27 million tons per year. Where are the at-a-boys for dropping Coal fired power plant emissions by 86.5%?My comment:Of the man made CO2 about 14% to 32% is from transportation depending on whose numbers you want to use. No one really knows how much is man made verses nature made much less how much from what industry. Please keep in mind the following: _Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 Gt. The ocean releases about 330 Gt. Incontrast, human emissions are only around 26.4 Gt per year._ So, transportation is responsible for about 3.7 to 8.4 Gt per year. The only way to make this be more than a drop in the bucket is if we completely shift from an oil based transportation industry to a total electrictransportation industry. And, the problem with that is no one in Congress is looking at this kind of scenario. There are ways to do this. Here is a 1996 Discover article on a flywheel engine.http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/bitt erly.ht mlBut, the US auto industry and Congress has been controlled by big oil for so long the idea of such devices is avoided like the plague.If you were to couple affordable LED lighting for home and industry and advances in both portable solar energy and vehicle energy recovery, the increase to the power grids would be minimized while providing the populace with very affordable transportation and a reduction in the CO2 output.Of course with the increase in volcanism over the last 100 years this drop in CO2 is not significant. But we do not have to tell anybody that fact. I am all for cleaning up our pollution. I wish we would pay asmuch attention to water and land pollution as we do CO2. We pollute our land and water with so many hideous substances that nature cannot handle like it can handle CO2. I hope we don’t lose sight of these ecologicallydevastating substances just because it has become popular to jump on the global warming bandwagon. There are more dangers than just global warming and I am not sure I buy all the doom and gloom spread by the Global Warming industries.Anubus, you asked what the cost of doing nothing is. Well pollution is pollution. We should still be good custodians of the world. There are ways this can actually be a savings to the consumer but very big money isn’t keen on heading in that direction. The US is an energy hog. If we would just remove incandescent bulbs from the market we would save huge amounts of energy per year. Simple and doable but why hasn’t it been done. LED lighting uses so little power per lumen that if we were to convert our homes and industry to LED we would cut our power consumption by 1/3. But this means that these plants can’t sell as much meaning their income will go down unless they raise the rates for a gigawatt of power. In other words the cheapest (for the consumer) way for this industry to run is at full capacity. There has to be a paradigm shift in how we pay for energy. How can the powers that be expect the consumer to be penalized for conserving energy. There are ways but big business isn’t looking in that direction. Neither are the Global Warming industries.

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By: Chris http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13503 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:46:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13503 I find forcing our reliance on fossil fuel to go down through legislation is a far better alternative then depleting, raping, and polluting our earths resources.The cost in the long run is cheaper to knock off unsustainable sources of energy rather then hoping our children will figure out how to clean up our present mess.If that means everyone has to suffer a little more, so what at least people can stick around and suffer longer then if we turn our only planet into a toxic wasteland.

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By: Travis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13493 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:09:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13493 No serious proposal for energy in the US can include nuclear because it isn’t a sustainable power option. Until we have something to do with the spent fuel rods, it wont be sustainable.If we can’t refine the fuel rods, and we don’t have anywhere safe to get rid of them, then we simply have to ignore nuclear until those problems are solved.The rest of the article, which rides the hype of “environment must bow to the economy” simply needs to be rethought. We are entering the age of consequences, regardless of the hyperbole and strawmen flung out by the far right wing.Likening reduction of emissions to living in Nigeria? How can this even be something that is mentioned in a serious article.If you want to have a mature discussion on the effects that reducing carbon usage and developing renewable energy will be, then go ahead. Just don’t rely on patently stupid arguments like saying that we would have to reduce our standard of living to that in Nigeria.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/23/the-economic-cost-of-climate-change-legislation/#comment-13492 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:53:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3111#comment-13492 Why is it that no one considers the cost of inaction? What will the cost be to nations receiving the influx of hundreds of millions of refugees when their lands are under the seas or their rivers and wells dry up? How many armed conflicts will arise when nations close their borders to some of these refugees? What will that cost be?As arable land is consumed by flood or soil erosion, we will all bear the higher cost of food in short supply. Rain is already diminishing throughout the southern U.S. to the point of drought, and increasing in the midwest to the point of catastrophic floods. That pain and suffering will be in the pockets of some and famine for the rest.The philosophy of “It’s the economy stupid” is beginning to sound “stupid ” itself. President Obama is right about one thing. There is work to be done and too many people not working who could be doing it. The economic Wonks or going to have to accept that economic growth models of the past were unsustainable and the free market is ill suited for directing humanity where logic and reason should prevail.

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