Comments on: A vaccine needed for bad statistics http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Frazier http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-14943 Wed, 20 May 2009 19:03:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-14943 Not many statisticians are currently getting worked up and hysterical about the swine flu. It’s people in other professions and the media, like the columnist below.

But it’s typically the statisticians who get blamed.

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By: Realist http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-14215 Sun, 10 May 2009 22:53:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-14215 This isn’t about saving lives – this is about economics.

What a better way for Governments to deflect attention from the GFC than to create something even more scary to think about – in doing so our perspective is changed and we become grateful for what we have got not what we might get!.

“I thought I was poor because I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet”

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By: Adam Lark http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13817 Sun, 03 May 2009 16:11:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13817 Eric, I think you are trivialising the risk from Swine Flu (H1N1). Your article mentions the Spanish Flu (also H1N1) killing more than 50 million people in 1918. What you fail to mention is the mortality rate from the Spanish Flu also started slow, just like the 2009 Swine Flu (H1N1) & it was the deadly second wave of the virus that hit in the Fall/Winter that killed most people.

You need to read Flu Safe – Surviving the Pandemic by Dr. Wayman (www.flusafe.org).

Some mathematical models are suggesting the POSSIBILITY of more than 100 million people will die from Swine Flu 2009. That is why Dr. Margaret Chan, the head of the World Health Organisation (WHO), is saying “all of humanity is under threat”.

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By: Shona http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13791 Sat, 02 May 2009 18:38:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13791 I’m an RN in the Central Texas area, an agency traveling nurse working in many area emergency rooms and reading a host of information from CDC, WHO, and popular media. Two things are clear, hype Sells and improves ratings, and people panic. Remember avian flu? Weren’t we all supposed to die? Disappeared, as does all other media related panic…unless or until I hear it directly from a truly reliable source, common sense rules. Hand washing and remain calm. Unfortunately, panic will rule the day because as they say “there is NO CURE for stupid”. Next year we will be asking each other whatever happened to swine flu. Please just exercise common sense and turn your bs filters on in regard to media hype in print or on tv. Because the medical community is literally on the “front lines” we generally receive pertinent information before it is released to the media. A LOT of creativity exists between our information and what you hear or read. I agree that a vaccine is for bad statistics and irresponsible media.

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By: Zanuck http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13777 Fri, 01 May 2009 23:49:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13777 *sigh*

The posting is good and the points made valid. However, in a posting about incorrect use of statistics, it would have helped if the stats provided were correct.

The 1918 “Spanish Flu” outbreak had a Case Fatality Rate (CFR) estimated to be 2.5%-5.0%. That means that 2.5%-5.0% OF THOSE INFECTED died. A very different thing than 2.5% of the global population dying.

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By: ster http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13690 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:35:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13690 Be careful with the 170+ deaths figure. The WHO says only 9 deaths are confirmed.

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By: Ster http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13689 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:34:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13689 ” Maybe the difference is how the US medical system treats the flu??”

No… the toddler was from Mexico and was coming to the US to be treated.

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By: SKV http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13671 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13671 Hi Eric,
There are lies, there are big lies and there is statistic.

You do statistic wrong :).

That looks especially nice given that you title:
“A vaccine needed for bad statistics” !!!

Check your initial data :). Most likely you mistaken number of flu related hospitalizations with total flu case count.

According to fluefacts.com
in US alone 25,000,000-50,000,000 cases with 36,000 deaths. That give ~0.1% mortality rate.

While you report:
“WHO estimates flu kills upward of 250,000 to 500,000 people year after year. “Normal” flu epidemics infect 3 to 5 million a year.”
That gives us 10% mortality rate! Worse than SARS 8300 cases and 750 deaths 9.5% rate.

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By: SKV http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13669 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:21:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13669 Hi Eric,
There are lies there big lies and there is statistic.

You do statistic wrong! Check your initial data :).

According to fluefacts.com
in US alone 25,000,000-50,000,000 with 36,000 deaths. That give ~0.1% mortality rate.

While you report:
“WHO estimates flu kills upward of 250,000 to 500,000 people year after year. “Normal” flu epidemics infect 3 to 5 million a year.”

That gives us 10% mortality rate! Worse than SARS 8300 cases and 750 deaths 9.5% rate.

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By: B.Free http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/28/a-vaccine-needed-for-bad-statistics/#comment-13657 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:50:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3218#comment-13657 Is birsen smith for real?

Marty, yes it is true! do I think it would be wise to line up for a flu shot if they come out with one for this flu strain? No, as long as you are a healthy individual. If you are one of those at risk then if I was you I would be camped out to get a good spot in that line.

This is the flu folks. The flu kills people every year. This may be a little more nasty strain but, if you are a health individual you should not have to worry.

Richard is correct. Stay healthy by exersice and eating right. Wash your hands and stay away from sick people. If you get it, I mentioned a few tips for helping make it through the illness. If you are one of those at risk then you need to think about anti-virials and aggressive medical care.

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