Comments on: Drugs, elephants and American prisons http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Chris_A http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-17924 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:15:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-17924 I have several reasons why Marijuana should be legalized, and I will list them along with nay sayers, you decide who’s logic is better.

First and foremost, I want you all to know why Marijuana was criminalized, and how it became public enemy number 1. In 1937 there was a tax act that was introduced and passed which taxed the growers of Marijuana to pay an outlandish tax per gram to grow the crop. This in turn developed into the tax stamp known today. Those whom couldn’t provide a stamp for their marijuana, they were encarcerated. Now think about this for a second. This was the thirties, who smoked pot back then? Minorities, and the U.S. government knew that, and they knew no one could pay a tax on a crop they didn’t grow, thus made them a criminal. Now fast forward, 1972 Richard Nixon declared WAR on DRUGS in America. Is it me, or didn’t he resign from office from accusations of abuse of power? And, we as Americans still placed ourselves behind him in support for it, which leads me to believe we didn’t know what we were supporting at the time.

Now lets take some nay sayers comments toward legalization.

“Marijuana legalization will lead to an increase in pot-smoking among teens and young adults.”

This in fact is a scare tactic, and I almost want to punch whomever says this because it is a backwards point. See what no one wants to see is that it is already prevalent amonge teens, and young adults. They can’t get alcohol without ID, but a drug dealer doesn’t care, he just wants his money. Remove the dealer from the picture, and place the drug in the hands of liquor stores, then you will at least reduce the amount of teens whom have ready access to it at anytime.

“Legalization will send the wrong signal to our children.”
Well this leaves no room for error doesn’t it? What signal does it send to our children? Well first off if parents were more involved with their childrens lives, then whether the drug is illegal or legal wouldn’t make a difference. In fact, if it was legal they would know that the have to be a grown-up to do those things, and if you taught your children right they wouldn’t mess around with it in the first place, even if they did it isn’t going to kill them.

“Pot smoking leads to mental illness”
This has been proven to be false. Pot doesn’t in anyway cause any form of mental illness. If you smoked pot and later found out you were mentally unstable, that is because you were already unstable or had some a preexisting condition you were unaware of. Anyone whom says different either made it up, an idiot splurring lies, or both.

“pot is a risk to public safety.”

Well that is a legitament concern, but one that is clouded in lies. Liquor is dangerous, but the choice to consume it is one that we hold proud in America, but the choice isn’t ours if we want to consume something that wont kill us eventually? Making a drug illegal makes it dangerous. Moreover, it takes the authority away from the police, and places it into the hands of outlaws. Legalizing Marijuana will project some other health concerns, but they are far from the same risks as alcolhol. To me, it’s completely illogical, and unAmerican to keep the prohibition for pot.

So in closing, we are a nation that was founded under priciples of basic freedoms. The choice to smoke pot is a basic priciple of freedom, and one that doesn’t need to be trampled on by people who can’t stay out of other people’s business. If someone wants to responsibly consume it in the privacy of their own home, then we as their neighbors shouldn’t care as long as their right to do so doesn’t infringe on your right to breath clean air.

Lets keep this debate a logical, and reasonable one. I can’t stand it when someone’s only arguement is “drugs are bad mkay.”

Legalize it, tax it, and free it.

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By: oli http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-17259 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:43:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-17259 as a fully re-habilitated ex-offender, university graduate and casual drug user i find it fascinating that the penal system in the united states is vastly weighted in favour of punishment for crimes commited rather than the rehabilitation of offenders who could potentially be productive to your society as opposed to a drain on resources. The swelling numbers within your system is surely down to institutionalised repeat offenders who quite frankly have not been given the opportunity and help required to make something of themselves when eventually released. Legalisation of marijuana is not the answer as apart from all the dangers of cigarette smoking it can also trigger mental health issues such as schitzophrenia and surely we can all agree, despite the high, that it is bad for you. I smoke and i inhale but if i could buy it any time from anywhere i’d do it a lot more which can only be a bad thing….

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By: albe http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-16073 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:01:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-16073 Certainly , people might be made aware of the costs involved in habitual use if any , to the taxpayers to bring medical care to the users , i’m thinking like cigy lung probs. Also why do i have to put up with all the cool people blowin’ smoke in my direction? Very unwelcome, thank you not.
Respect my space choices and i’ll reciprocate.
Did any one notice that the republicans might be the shareholders in the private prison system, or am barking up the wrong tree?

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By: James E. King http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14369 Wed, 13 May 2009 14:57:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14369 Hi all, I would just like to address SG’s hate-mongering rhetoric. First you claim anyone who endorses legalization is high. My entire family has endorsed legalization for 30 years and most of us aren’t high. Second you imply kids who smoke pot are too “stupid” to care about the risks. If that were true why do so many people I know with graduate degrees and doctorates, people whose intellects I suspect vast exceed your limited cranial capacity, smoke so much pot. Smoking pot doesn’t make people stupid and people who choose to smoke pot don’t tend to be stupid people; it attracts a thriving community of intellectuals and academics, two things which from just a casual glance it is plain to see you’re not. Attacking peoples character as part of a reasoned discussion is known as a logical fallacy, bear that in mind next time.

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14242 Mon, 11 May 2009 15:12:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14242 SG,
I’ve never smoked weed in my life and never will.

What you big gov’t drug war spenders need to realize is that it’s not just potheads who are sick of having their freedoms taken.

My point is pot is available to every kid, if you want it less available then you should be for legalization where you actually have people regulating the market.

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By: Figgy http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14239 Mon, 11 May 2009 13:49:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14239 I admit that I have a strong urge to climb on board this “legalize drugs” bandwagon. In many ways, it would make things so much easier. Having said that, how many times has the easy way out been the RIGHT way out? Do we really think society will benefit by having drugs readily available to the population? How far do we lower the bar, how low do our expectations go? Will we next say petty theft really isn’t that bad and it’s filling up the prisons so it would just be easier to make it a $25 fine?

People achieve good and great things when they aim high, when expectations drive individuals to accomplish things not thought possible. It’s the same thing with a society – if you aim low, that’s probably the target you’ll hit.

And now this middle age dinosaur will quietly slip away…

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By: SG http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14187 Sat, 09 May 2009 23:42:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14187 In Reply to May 7th, 2009 10:28 pm GMT – Posted by Keith

Once you mentioned MLK I realized you are high on drugs and taking the mickey out of this discussion.

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By: SG http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14186 Sat, 09 May 2009 22:34:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14186 In reply to May 8th, 2009 4:26 pm GMT – Posted by Michael Ham

I am not sorry for the dumb choices made by kids (or you at that phase); the fact that weed is readily available makes no difference. It is easy to find ways to get high: if it isn’t weed, it’s glue, and if it isn’t glue it’s choking games.

Unfortunately, there have been a couple of generations or more educated like they’re not supposed to have Responsibility – primarily for themselves and ultimately toward Others.

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By: SG http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14183 Sat, 09 May 2009 21:56:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14183 In reply to May 8th, 2009 5:32 pm GMT – Posted by William

I agree absolutely that the prison system today is a for-profit operation and it must be changed.
If the due process of law is constitutionally guaranteed and is upheld by police and courts – which are public – then why are the prisons private or run by private institutions?
Should we now make the courts private, and the police private too?
How can the Constitution be then safeguarded when it comes to defending “(18) Not to have a cruel or unusual punishment inflicted upon oneself.http://www.constitution.org/powr ight.htm” when that punishment is left in private hands, though the sentence was given by public hands?
It’s a matter of sovereignty, in my personal opinion.
Does the US also leave the management of military prisons in the hands of private companies?

That is one of the things that has to change prior to thinking about legalizing a drug: the for-profit aspect of upholding the law, and in no way is it defending the very dangerous criminals that are in the prisons right now, nor that it should be an excuse to keep them out of prison.

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By: William http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/04/30/drugs-elephants-and-american-prisons/#comment-14144 Fri, 08 May 2009 22:32:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3273#comment-14144 A “SINGLE VOICE PROJECT” is the official name of the petition sponsored by: The National Public Service Council To Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP)

THIS PETITION SEEKS TO ABOLISH ALL PRIVATE PRISONS IN THE UNITED STATES, (or any place subject to its jurisdiction)

The National Public Service Council To Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP) is a grass roots organization driven by a single objective. We want the United States government to reclaim sole authority for state and federal prisons on US soil.
We want the United States Congress to immediately rescind all state and federal contracts that permit private prisons “for profit” to exist in the United States, or any place subject to its jurisdiction. We understand that the problems that currently plague our government, its criminal justice system and in particular, the state & federal bureau of prisons (and most correctional and rehabilitation facilities) are massive. However, it is our solemn belief that the solutions for prison reform will remain unattainable and virtually impossible as long as private prisons for profit are permitted to operate in America.

Prior to the past month, and the fiasco of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Lehman Brothers, and now the “Big Three” American Automobile manufacturers, the NPSCTAPP has always felt compelled to highlight the “moral Bottom line” when it comes to corrections and privatization. Although, we remain confounded by the reality that our government has allowed our justice system to be operated by private interests. The NPSCTAPP philosophy has always been “justice” should not be for sale at any price. It is our belief that the inherent and most fundamental responsibility of the criminal justice system should not be shirked, or “jobbed-out.” This is not the same as privatizing the post office or some trash pick up service in the community. There has to be a loss of meaning and purpose when an inmate looks at a guard’s uniform and instead of seeing an emblem that reads State Department of Corrections or Federal Bureau of Prisons, he sees one that says: “Atlas Prison Corporation.”

Let’s assume that the real danger of privatization is not some innate inhumanity on the part of its practitioners but rather the added financial incentives that reward inhumanity. The same logic that motivates companies to operate prisons more efficiently also encourages them to cut corners at the expense of workers, prisoners and the public. Every penny they do not spend on food, medical care or training for guards is a dime they can pocket. What happens when the pennies pocketed are not enough for the shareholders? Who will bailout the private prison industry when they hold the government and the American people hostage with the threat of financial failure…“bankruptcy?” What was unimaginable a month ago merits serious consideration today. State and Federal prison programs originate from government design, and therefore, need to be maintained by the government. It’s time to restore the principles and the vacated promise of our judicial system.

John F. Kennedy said, “The time to repair the roof is while the sun is shinning”. Well the sun may not be shinning but, it’s not a bad time to begin repair on a dangerous roof that is certain to fall…. because, “Incarcerating people for profit is, in a word WRONG”

There is an urgent need for the good people of this country to emerge from the shadows of cynicism, indifference, apathy and those other dark places that we migrate to when we are overwhelmed by frustration and the loss of hope.
It is our hope that you will support the NPSCTAPP with a show of solidarity by signing our petition. We intend to assemble a collection of one million signatures, which will subsequently be attached to a proposition for consideration. This proposition will be presented to both, the Speaker Of The House Of Representatives (Nancy Pelosi) and the United States Congress.

Please Help Us. We Need Your Support. Help Us Spread The Word About This Monumental And Courageous Challenge To Create Positive Change. Place The Link To The Petition On Your Website! Pass It On!

The SINGLE VOICE PETITION and the effort to abolish private “for profit” prisons is the sole intent of NPSCTAPP. Our project does not contain any additional agendas. We have no solutions or suggestions regarding prison reform. However, we are unyielding in our belief that the answers to the many problems which currently plague this nation’s criminal justice system and its penal system in particular, cannot and will not be found within or assisted by the private “for profit” prison business. The private “for profit” prison business has a stranglehold on our criminal justice system. Its vice-like grip continues to choke the possibility of justice, fairness, and responsibility from both state and federal systems.
These new slave plantations are not the answer!

For more information please visit: http://www.npsctapp.blogsppot.com or email: williamthomas@exconciliation.com
To sign the petition please visit: http://www.petitiononline.com/gufree2/pe tition.html

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!

William Thomas
National Community Outreach Facilitator
The National Public Service Council To Abolish Private Prisons
P.O. Box 156423
San Francisco, California 94115

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