Comments on: What to watch for in Iran’s presidential election http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16836 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:08:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16836 Sorry Anon,
I guess what I was trying to say is I’m not concerned with the title of whatever is going on in Iraq. Whatever it wants to be called, I’m against it.

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16821 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:25:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16821 And I actually just noticed…

You said “Of course we are at war in Iraq”

My question actually was “Do you believe we at war *with* Iraq?”.

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16788 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:11:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16788 Never reject the technicalities. Sooner or later, something is or isn’t.

Rejecting the technicalities means you don’t want to accept the implications of those technicalities.

Words such as ‘illegal war’, ‘war crime’ and ‘genocide’ have very concrete technical meanings. And shouldn’t be used cheaply.

Yet these words can easily be stretched to situations they don’t belong, just by dismissing the technicalities.

And it can work the other way. Recall what happened when the technicalities of ‘torture’ were (allegedly) ignored by a previous government?

Just something to think about. Ignore the possible double post.

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16707 Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:30:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16707 Anon,
Tell me how I should feel we can win a war than I don’t feel we should be in? Especially when we’ve already destroyed the country’s infrastructure and economy, not including all the murder and refugees.

I’ll have a feeling of victory when I know every single troop is home and safe, which again, will never happen under the Bush-replica prez we have now in Obama.

Of course we’re at war in Iraq, I don’t care about technicalities.

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16603 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:07:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16603 That’s a shame. I was hoping to get a fresh perspective from the other side.

If you can’t define “victory”, then how can you feel so confident in defining “defeat”?

For that matter, do you believe we are currently at war with Iraq? In the technical sense?

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16563 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:23:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16563 Anon,
I guess I’d call it higher standards if you approve of the current conduct of the American gov’t, which is essentially a modern version of the Britist gov’t ruling this land in the 1700’s prior to the revolution.

Victory in Iraq would be hard to define, that’s a good question. How many millions of families have been ruined by murder, refugee, injury or poverty from this war which was based on a lie?

My version of victory at this point, with very low expectations, is simply us having every single troop out of Iraq. That would be a great victory for the Iraqi people, however it’ll probably never happen. I dunno if we’re able to have a victory.

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By: Haha http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16554 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:16:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16554 Hmmm. So lets see.

1. Russia wants America to cut back plans for a missile shield in Europe.

2. If America wants to invade Iran, it would be preferably without Russian interference or arms sales.

3. The europe missile shield is ostensibly to protect against Iranian missiles.

I think there is the potential for creative and horrifying diplomacy here….

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By: Anon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16547 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:55:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16547 Higher standards? Or just conceit? Only you can know that, I suppose.

But I note we seem to differ about our interpretation of the term ‘victory’. My question for you is this:

Say you somehow become the POTUS. Under what conditions would you call victory in Iraq?

For that matter, when would you call a victory in any war?

(And no “You win a war by avoiding it” or “Nobody wins a war” answers. Let’s focus on the technical aspect.)

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16542 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:41:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16542 EB,
Don’t worry I know the US gov’t is more monstrous than the apartheid Israeli gov’t.

You’ll have to prove to me, I find it impossible that Israel would have essentially been at war almost all 64 years of it’s existence without any of it being because of their own aggression. I refuse to believe they needed to drop phosphorous gas on UN buildings to defend themselves. I refuse to believe they have to drop bombs on refugee camps to defend themselves. I refuse to believe ambulances needed to be shot up to keep from saving the bleeding out children in the street to keep Israeli citizens deaths.

If you get upset at every instance of an Israeli citizen death, how as a human can you not be driven to near insanity by the THOUSANDS of palestinian civilians murdered.

Is an Israeli citizens life worth a thousand Palestinian citizen’s lives to you?

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By: NonAnon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/08/what-to-watch-for-in-irans-presidential-election/#comment-16541 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:40:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=3898#comment-16541 I usually don’t comment on these pointless discussions, but Anon has inspired me. You really think we are winning these wars? Are you missing the part where are country has been completely and utterly bankrupted? I am an anti-war dude, but if the stuff starts flying against the fan with regards to Iran, the only comfort I have is knowing that your holy American empire and lifestyle come slamming down to the ground like the world has not seen in a great many years. There is no recovery coming my friend. This is not 60 years ago. While we have been robbing and raping, Russia and China have been signing trade deals and building their empires up. America is done. 1-2 more years tops.

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