Comments on: China’s Web filtering starts in the West http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: dj http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-19097 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:00:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-19097 Welcome to 1984 – distrust everything you see, hear, or read unless you can verify it – we live in a world of Dis/mis/censored information –

Citzens of the world need to wake up before we are all enslaved

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By: Thomas V. Fischer http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17783 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:30:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17783 Let’s not be naive, too many journalists and «western government agency» continuously criticizes these types of tools and their usage but they are sometimes just as guilty and that is what is more troubling. It can be understandable for regimes like the ones described in the article to take on such tools and actions to «protect» its citizens but can we really say that a european country is not just as bad when it does something similar.
The biggest example that can be presented today is France and its HADOPI law which outside of its abuse of certain inalienable rights in stores a spy/tracking software that users must install on their PCs to prove they are compliant with the law and innocent of any wrong doing! The worse part is that its not to protect the citizens but instead to protect private organizations like the RIAA and their money cash cows!

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By: Hm http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17777 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:41:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17777 “Free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.”

-Pravin Lal, Sid Meyer’s Alpha Centauri

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By: bluesguy http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17762 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:53:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17762 Filtering done at a place of employment is not censorship or limitation of an employees rights. You go to work for a company – they own the PC, network, software, building (or rent it) – they have the right to decide whether or not you should be allowed to use company time & resources to surf the net. If you don’t like those policies find a different employer.

Filtering done by a country is a whole different issue. If I own the equipment & pay for the infrastructure then what govt. has the right to filter what I can see or say (as an adult)? As it is July 1st these words seem appropriate:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

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By: Googe http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17761 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:53:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17761 why do you think setup a software is because ” the cowardly Chinese government who can’t be faced with their own corruption and power-hungry dweebs”.if so ,in China some main portal sites should be forbidden, but it’s not.setup a software can’t prevent people impeach corruption.Chinese government welcome impeach, espcially in network.In China we have 300 million netizens,we have the right and responsibility to censorship government what they are doing and communicate in network.

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By: ciara http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17759 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:59:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17759 Web filtering… I won’t pretend to understand how the technology works, but it does. I’m not upset by employers using various blocking software on computers they have purchased and that are used in “the office” or when traveling on company business. Too often, employees spend the day surfing porn sites or playing poker or generally wasting everyone’s time and billing their gambling losses to their employer.

There is a need to keep a few harmless diversions available for days when employees eat lunch (and too often, dinner and then breakfast) at their desks. These don’t need to be network games, those that are on each computers hard drive are enough.

What concerns me is the obvious possibility that the US government will block software. I read Reuters, Al Jezerra, and a number of newspapers that originate in Ireland (both the Republic and the six counties) but I worry that should we here in the US get a President as paranoid as Cheney, we will be blocked from seeing any site our paranoid future leader feels is dangerous. (Remember that Bush 43 was “elected” twice, Reagan (with Bush 41 pulling the strings) was elected twice, and Nixon was elected twice. It frightens me that the American people seem to be willing to elect almost anyone. We are not alone in electing the dangerously paranoid — we must keep Maggie Thatcher and Gordon Brown in mind.

We in the US had our ISPs cooperate with the Bush (43) administration’s decision to snoop into private correspondence without the warrants our laws require, and this can — and probably will — happen again.

We in the west must protect our rights to visit any website(s) we choose, even while we protect our children from sites that they are too young to understand.

There’s no reason to be paranoid now, but we must be vigilant.

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By: hdq http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17758 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:45:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17758 this software just a rubbish

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By: trip http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17753 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:50:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17753 You show me new ideas or inventions meant for simple peaceful living and i will show you individuals waiting to use them for the opposite. History shows again and again that humans are very good at turning the innocent into the devisive. Like Bill said “with great power comes great responsibility”…So far humans have proven that we are quite powerful but still lack very much in responsibility.

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By: Joe http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17740 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:23:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17740 I work for a newspaper company in the US of A and they’re already use filtering software to block websites from employees. They are controlling what employees can or can not see.
Why an uproar about a communist state try to control their citizen while we, democratic state, are doing the same thing.
(Don’t tell me that what apply to the country does not apply to private companies.)

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By: Bill http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/01/chinas-web-filtering-starts-in-the-west/#comment-17734 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:55:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4271#comment-17734 So… because the Internet exists, so does the security censoring software tools required to censor the porn and malicious code… therefore, the Internet shouldn’t have been built…. right? It’s all our (the West’s ) fault. What a ridiculous article. Anybody with a brain knows that with great power comes great responsibility — just ask Spiderman. The real issue here is the cowardly Chinese government who can’t be faced with their own corruption and power-hungry dweebs, so they do whatever they can to “save face” and stop any possible route for political progress or taking responsibility. The “porn” blocking is merely a front they hoped the rest of the world would accept as reasonable — that’s why they stole the code — they didn’t write that part, they wrote the part which spies on their own people in order to squash anything threatening their comfortable nation-robbing lifestyles.

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