Comments on: Fake news gets real http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Roy Fairbank http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-18243 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:55:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-18243 As many comments have emphasized, firstly it is wrong to assume the “real” news is principled news, and secondly it is wrong to assume the so-called “fake” news can’t be more principled than the “real” news. Though I wouldn’t vouch for the Daily Show and such as real journalistic ventures it is often true that they are more daring in their critique of current events, though it is all taken away by the comedy label. The “real” news are cowards, impressionists, propagandists and hypocrites in the serviced of imperialism and the corporations.

I get the facts from the news
I get the story from careful independent thinking and sites which do the same thing.

Its no surprise though, that people want some honest analysis so badly that they are willing to take the light teasing of the powers that be by the Stewarts and Colberts.

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By: James Durning http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-18208 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:36:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-18208 What’s surprising is that these ‘fake news’ shows are doing a better job of asking the questions we should be asking than the commercial news. We need much much more of these ‘fake news’ shows!

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By: James Perly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-18145 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:53:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-18145 I am at loss to understand how The Daily Show is considered ‘fake’, while Fox News and MSNBC is considered ‘real’.
It is also completely incorrect to say that The Daily Show is only satire. Many of the interviews that John Stewart has are insightful and tough, in a way that no other news programs dare to be.
Further to this, daring to play a video clip of a politician saying something contradictory to what they are currently saying is brilliant and damning, and not something I have ever seen a ‘real’ news show engage in. They merely report ‘the facts’, without holding anyone’s feet to the fire.
Watching Jim Cramer squirm while being hammered mercilessly with his own words was deserving of an Emmy. I guess that the only hope left to those who claim to have ‘journalistic integrity’ is to label these shows as being ‘fake’ and hope that their viewers won’t leave any quicker than they already are.

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By: The Bell http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-18120 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:40:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-18120 What is being referred to here as “Fake News” is basically the timely action of driving a wooden stake or other blunt instrument through the inert heart of neo-collectivist hairspray media cliches, of which there are literally too many examples in these post-embedded and correspondingly troubled times to enumerate here.

It’s dramatic when “Fake News” takes its show on the road abroad, but just as fundamental when only “Fake News” can call a spade a spade – viz. “fears of recession” being the MSM buzzword long after the ongoing Recession At Hand was glaringly apparent, last calendar year; or Jon Stewart’s candid confrontation of the guy with the bow-tie regarding tough questions for supposedly serious Presidential candidates and war-makers being entirely absent from the standard MSM intellectual and ethical diet plan.

In all my years spent in hard news with reputable American news directors and conscientious colleagues, I never once saw anything as collectively abysmal, slapdash, cowardly, sociopathically and ethically illiterate as 99% of today’s American mainstream news media.

Today’s so-called American news situation – a crisis in itself, rather – didn’t evolve from former traditions, it has been foisted on the public in spite or earlier wisdom.
In my estimation, the foisters have a lot more coming to them than satire. More of this in due course – after these messages…

In times such as these, if it takes “Fake News” to shed light on the Dark Side of establishment shenanigans which are driving the human species to extinction, then by golly it’s Fake News for me, every time.

Well, almost.

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By: hobbes http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-17984 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:44:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-17984 i sometimes feel that i only get the “real” news from these too shows. during he election, i really listened to both of them. i also instead of reading the “news”, went to factcheck and scopes for real information. for that i think i made a intelligent decision instead of listening to spin and hype.

stewart, often says, “don’t they know we are recording them?”, “it’s on tape”. how someone can still be giving out bad info, after youtube and factcheck etc. is beyond me.

so if you say “fake”, i say “real” with humor!

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By: Lamont Cranston http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-17948 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:03:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-17948 Colbert and Stewart are not “fake” news, even though they use the term themselves. They are news commentary.

The interesting thing is that they are commenting on the very same thing happening with the MSM. The most egregious MSM culprit is the foreign owned “Fox News”.

“Fox news”, is only a partially true title, properly, it should be called “Fox news commentary”.
“Some people say”, that there is embedded commentary in all of their presentations.

By making their commentary highlight the absurd, Colbert and Stewart get the audience to laugh, but it does not alter that are presenting valid news stories.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-17909 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:54:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-17909 What better way to leave an imprint on someones mind than with satire? The media pays vane, self absorbed sycophants half a million dollars a year or more to read a teleprompter and wear silk suits. Surround them in a designer stage studio with dozens of flat panel monitors and people looking busy is the ultimate insult. The news is where it happens. I can sit in front of a computer and read for my self. I don’t need a broadcast editor telling me just what he wants me to hear and then how to digest it.

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By: Don http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-17899 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:43:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-17899 I like how Colbert handles interviews. If you listen his questions, the focus of the questions aren’t a whole lot funnier than the responses. It’s the way Colbert delivers the questions that make them funny. So he said why vote for somebody like Obama who promises equal treatment of homosexuals and then persistently delays and drags; at least the Republicans are honest and just say no, it’s evil, forget it. So that’s just plain funny. He never shows any lack of respect, either. Maybe subconsciously I had a really short hair-cut as a result of him getting his hair shaved. Man, now I’m regretting it. I hope my hair grows back. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I guess only military people look good with crew cuts.

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By: Talleyrand http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-17864 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:50:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-17864 it’s sad but true, and it’s a reason why the MSM are having trouble with their audience. We, freelance journalists, who are often in touch with things “on the ground”, can hardly get a letter through to an editor in the big media. I have queried articles more often than ever in my life (I am over 50), but there is no way to break into the ivory tower. I pointed this out to a foreign editor of the NYT lately, but he has built his own ivory tower and is entrenched in it, imagining he has a grasp of Europe. The problem is — a problem that was accute back in the Cold War days already — the MSM like to see the world in a way that might make it newsworthy in their eyes. So it needs villains and heroes, victims and saviors. And the whole thing has to be compared negatively to the USA… Otherwise, no dice. Well, the Daily Show was already opposing the war in Iraq when it was not popular to do so.

All I can say is: kick out the old incestuous crowd, Jon Stewart and Colbert, you have deserved the mantle.

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By: glf http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/03/fake-news-gets-real/#comment-17861 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:55:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4359#comment-17861 I’m don’t think it’s accurate to call what these two shows do “fake news”. They take actual events and highlight aspects of it for humor and/or to point out the stupidity of the people involved. That’s not being fake nor is it falsifying the “newsworthy” event.

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