Comments on: Was Goldman’s trading software stolen? http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Colton Candland http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-296978 Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:27:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-296978 I don’t even know how I finished up right here, however I assumed this post used to be great. I do not realize who you’re but certainly you are going to a well-known blogger when you aren’t already ;) Cheers!

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By: James Burkhardt http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-18114 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:51:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-18114 If loss of this software is feared for its potential to manipulate the stock market, how has Goldman Sachs been using it. Read “The Losing Game: Why You Can’t Beat Wall Street by T.E. Scott and Stephen Edds.

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By: Sergey (!= Aleynikov) http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-18074 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-18074 I just wondering why this topic become magnet for so many self promoting posts with links to garbage outside Reuters.

Between us financial professionals:)

1. Stealing and selling trading system to foreigner company doesn’t make sense. As I post before, trading systems are very specialized to particular bank. Even quantitative part that does decision making cannot be simply carried away. Adaptation of such piece requires join effort of several highly skilled quants and quantitative programmers. They cannot tune up system without detail knowledge of math behind. But with such knowledge they can write it from scratch.

2. GS former employees keep many poverful position in gov.
GS is presumed to be the best investment bank. GS on resume gives huge competitive advantage. We all like hire people with best resumes.

3. GS/Pulson kill Lehman.
Lehman had leverage 30-to-1 with small cash reserves. GS had between 18 and 21 to 1. MS had 22-25 to 1.
Couple days before Lehman was gone, on a trading floor I heard ‘DB stopped taking Lehman as collateral. ALL trades with Lehman must be settled only in-cash’. That will kill any investment bank in couple days.

4. GS orchestrated gov bail out.
AFAIK GS and MS were reluctant to convert to bank holding company. Because bank holding companies are subject to very different regulations. Including much lover leverage ratio.

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-18067 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:58:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-18067 What goes around. comes around. Even Goldman has to reap the harvest of what they sew. I have no sympathy. Everyone should read Matt Taibbi’s investigative report in the 6-23-09 issue of Rolling Stone.

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By: Sergey (!= Aleynikov) http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-17987 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:23:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-17987 I do high frequency trading :).
We all learn while we move from one employer to another. This is called experience. Stealing algorithmic trading software makes no sense to me. Algorithmic trading systems are very complex, closely tight to bunch of proprietary hardware and software infrastructure. They cannot be copied around as pirate copy of MS Office. Once in awhile, people bring pieces of code from previous employers for personal advantage. They look great when complete huge project in no-time. Big firms like ‘Big Chicago Firm’ cannot afford damage associated with usage of stolen software. They often poke employees from competitors to benefit from ideas but not from stolen software.
If guy had stolen code he must go to jail. But I afraid that GS uses this case as excuse to put ground work to prevent employees to go to another firms.

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By: JohnMD http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-17963 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:23:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-17963 Too bad no one analyzed the Goldman Sachs programs. These may be the programs that the firm uses to manipulate markets with money provided by the Federal Reserve Slush Fund.

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By: Harvey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-17960 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:24:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-17960 Again, as Dale Jeffers posted above, every American
needs to read the Rolling Stone’s article on Goldman
Sachs….you will never view GS the same afterward,
and if you have any sense, will start writing your
representatives about criminal investigations, if you
can find one that has not already been corrupted by
GS contributions. This is major, and I think many of
the comments above are hitting on the crux of the matter…
this case is a small tip of the iceberg, and this Russian guy may be the sacrificial lamb. Go here http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto ry/28816321/the_great_american_bubble_ma chine/print

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By: anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-17959 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:08:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-17959 I don’t understand why would his being Russian immirgants has any importance to the events, when he is already citizen
Also most banks are very advance in updated their computer systems, almost every other week, there will be changes to the existing systems
so what are the importance of some very old codes?
Anyway I must be sending my resume to the wrong places all these years because I make so little in comparsion to him

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By: John Smith http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-17957 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:54:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-17957 While it’s no question that if he crossed the line, he should go to jail, I must say that there is always other side to a story like this.

I did some very good work for one of my previous employer. Even though it was done as a pet project in my spare time, I did it while working for this company, on their equipment, and so when I lost my job, it became company property. I never got any returns out of it. The company is making money from my creativity, my extra efforts and my hardwork.

Yes, there is a law that says if it is done on company equipment it belongs to the company. But equipment is not the only thing that goes into making something creative, something intellectual.

So if he did all this work, and if suddenly Goldman wants to hand him a pink slip, then I do feel sympathy for him. I have first hand experienced that law is grossly unfair in cases like this. While I would not break the law myself, I just think he is not as evil as it sounds here.

It’s funny how the author of the article immediately highlighted the fact that he is an immigrant, as if that automatically says something about him committing a crime. The beginning of the article stinks as biased.

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By: Elie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/#comment-17955 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:11:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=4378#comment-17955 I see that you guys have made up your minds about the case!!!
Hopefully the real judge of the case will not do the same!!!

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