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The Great Debate

Obama, Elvis and America’s birthers

By Bernd Debusmann
August 6, 2009

Bernd Debusmann– Bernd Debusmann is a Reuters columnist. The views expressed are his own. –
Nobody ever landed on the moon, the televised images are a hoax. John F. Kennedy was murdered in a complex plot involving the Mafia and the CIA. Elvis Presley lives. Barack Obama was born outside the United States and therefore is ineligible to be president.

All these claims stem from conspiracy theories and myths born in the U.S. and they throw a question mark over the long-held view of experts that such ideas flourish most in societies where news is controlled, access to information difficult and barriers to independent inquiry difficult to overcome.

This kind of restrictive environment  applies to many Third World countries – conspiracy theories are particularly abundant in the Middle East and Africa — but not to the technologically and economically advanced United States. Yet there is a parallel universe inhabited by millions and millions of Americans immune to facts, logic and common sense.

Some of the myths are harmless, such as the notion that rock-and-roll king Elvis Presley did not die in 1977 and instead went into hiding. (The reasons vary depending on who tells the tale).

There have been thousands of supposed Elvis sightings and a 2005 book says there’s DNA evidence that he is still alive. While the Elvis-in-hiding theory appears to fading (though it is far from dead), the hoaxed moon landing continues to run long enough to prompt a Newsweek magazine article that debunked the story on the 40th anniversary of the Apollo mission to the moon in July. Perhaps not surprisingly, early skepticism about the moon landing came from the Flat Earth Society, based in California.

The Flat Earthers have their own website, unlike the latest addition to America’s wide variety of conspiracy cults, the “birthers.”

They insist that President Barrack Obama was born in Kenya and that the certificate attesting to his birth in Hawaii is a forgery. Unlike the Flat Earthers, the birthers managed to find Congressional sponsors, all Republicans, to introduce a bill meant to block non-eligible Americans from becoming president in future.

H.R. 1503, introduced by Florida Republican Bill Posey, wants to “To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.”

TALK RADIO BOOSTS BIRTHERS

Weighty language for a weighty cause. First voiced during the presidential election campaign (when Obama opponents also aired suspicions that he is a Muslim), the birther conspiracy gained currency when a right-wing talk radio host, Rush Limbaugh, expounded on it and entertained his audience with the following line: “What do Obama and God have in common? Neither has a birth certificate. How do they differ? God does not think he’s Obama. And there’s another difference between God and Obama, and that is that liberals love Obama.”

This from a man with a reputation as the loudest and perhaps most influential conservative voice in American politics. Asked a few weeks ago whom he would chose as a political leader if the choice were between Limbaugh and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Vice President Dick Cheney opted for Limbaugh.

A conservative cable TV show host, Lou Dobbs of CNN, also boosted the birth certificate tale, inviting proponents of the theory on his program and raising questions over the authenticity of the certificate Obama’s campaign team produced before the elections.

Air time for the birthers, whose natural habitat is the Internet, clearly helped spread their claims. There are no reliable statistics on the number of American Flat Earthers, Moon Walk deniers or Elvis spotters but a poll in late July showed considerable Republican support for the birthers’ assertions and their conclusion that Obama is an illegitimate president.

According to the survey, by the polling institute Research 2000, there is a huge gap between Republicans and Democrats on the issue: 93 percent of Democrats believed that Obama was born in the U.S. while only 42 percent of Republicans thought so. Of the rest, 28 percent thought he wasn’t born in the U.S. and 30 percent were not sure.

“Far from being an isolated, on the edge movement, the birthers have planted deep a paranoid conspiracy seed about Obama’s legitimate right to sit in the White House among a wide body of Americans,” lamented Earl Ofari Hutchinson, a political analyst.

The debate, he says, has bestowed a kind of perverse legitimacy on the birthers. “They won’t quietly go away.”

Probably not. Conspiracy theories come in many forms but they have one thing in common: they survive against overwhelming factual evidence.

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The newspaper showing he was born means nada if you have followed this story with a fine tooth comb. We have birthers know why it would have been done in that manner. To protect and get food stamps and all benifits etc. to a child with no father to pay the way. She got pregnant! It is just that simple. The rest is smoke and mirrors really..as you saw.He had a wife and he wanted to be free to go to school and have people at his feet as his offspring is a chip off the old block! Notice?He was never a real father nor planned on being one! Get it….Madelyn Dunham was one cleaver granny and she knew all the ropes to protect the offspring. Let us rewind the TAPE and now show us who was the first person…the second… third to vett Obama. Let’s get down to theTRUTH on PAPER!!!! Show us PLEASE. You do the work now since you have no belief in our work….SHOW US THE OBAMA WRITTEN LAW!

 

Those of us who actually have a couple of brain cells to rub together honestly wouldn’t give a damn where Obama was born, since he was a far more capable candidate than most who have run for office in this country. Looking at the IQ bell curve, you will always have enough people who vary towards the Forrest Gump end of the intelligence spectrum to give even the most inane concepts and ideas legs to run on.One has to acknowledge that Obama has a huge mess on his plate with everything from Iraq, global warming, fending off a depression during a massive recession…the list goes on. I am pretty sure that Obama is US-born, but even if he wasn’t, there are few other people I would want tending to the details during such a period in history where so much can go so very wrong. The ignorant can continue to play school-yard partisan politics, denial and purely fabricated nonsense games, but reality requires some of us actually be grown up and let a man do a job when necessity demands it be done.

Posted by Cesar Hechler | Report as abusive
 

Amazing. He actually referenced a website I have been on. The flat earthers as he calls them have a website called the flat earth society here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.orgTo the person who moderates these posts. I have included my email address this time if that was the previous problem. The post relates to the blog so I see no reason not to allow it. If you do not allow it please e-mail me as to why I would appreciate it.

 

I’m a birther and proud of it because I’m proud of the Consitution’s history and the 1.5 million soldiers that died to maintain it. I will continue their fight to maintain the Consitution and YOU WILL PROVE YOUR CITIZENSHIP BY PRODUCING AN ORIGINAL LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR ALL TO SEE BECAUSE IT’S THE LAW! It may not happen in the next 2 years but it sure will after all your cronies are voted out of office in 2010. I do hope you are reelected so we can watch your phoney profile displayed for world to see and then be impeached!

Posted by Duane | Report as abusive
 

Wow, all these experts about the presidency and constitutional law. Where were all these experts when Bush/Cheney were disparaging the law and messing around with our constitutional rights? Oh yeah, those guys were Republicans. You only need to worry about the constitution when it’s convenient to some asinine argument…carry on then.

Posted by Cesar Hechler | Report as abusive
 

Sigh . . . even here, on usually staid Reuters, the birther clowns slither from under their slimy rocks to spew their childish nonsense. The same ilk are now running around the country blitzkrieging Democratic town hall meetings to shout down any attempts at adult debate of the health care reform crisis. I’m sick of these lousy citizens and even nastier humans. Only way to fight them is to outvote them every single election into irrelevant oblivion. They’ll never shut, that’s certain, but if they can be marginalized to the point of having no sway over the political process at all, then the country will benefit as a whole.

 

Keep it up, birthers. All you are doing is driving a giant wedge between the sensible and the insane people in our society. Luckily the numbers are still on the side of the sensible, which is why the longer this non-controversy goes on, the more you all humiliate yourselves and alienate the mainstream of American thought. If I didn’t know better I’d think you were all actually hired by Obama to make his opponents look like a bunch of deranged lunatics. Which you do.

Posted by JD | Report as abusive
 

For the record, I’m not republican (or a democrat), and I’d love to see some honesty in regards to Obama’s birth certificate. Heck, I’d like to think that if this dilemma occurred on the republicans side, that they would also be compliant. But well all know that this is bollocks.Bottom line is that it comes between to big parties that have the same goal, just minor ways in achieving it. Unconstitutional Big Government. Both sides are messed up beyond recognition. We need some real change, and it won’t come from a political puppet…on EITHER side.

Posted by Jon | Report as abusive
 

It is a shame we Republicans couldn’t field a better ticket, but Cesar Hechler is on crack if he thinks that it would be okay for Obama to be born outside the U.S. and still be the President. That condition was not added lightly by our forefathers, and the wording of the clause is very clearly stated to ensure that no one with the potential for divided national loyalties would be eligible. I am personally amazed at the number of intelligent Democrats think that this doesn’t matter; that Obama’s travel to Pakistan in the early ’80s on a non-US passport (presumably Indonesian under the name of Barry Sotoro); and his lying on his application to the Illinois bar when he stated that his name was Barrack Hussein Obama, and he has never used any other name. Since his registration for school in Indonesia is a matter of public record and it says Barry Sotoro, that is an outright lie. I admire his audacity. I just don’t respect the man because he hides behind a facade of indignation. He promised us transparency. If he meant it, he should do the one thing that would shut the birthers up, and that is authorize the release of his long-form birth certificate. Or would that just raise more questions? I don’t know the answers, but I haven’t seen anything concrete that would make them wrong.

Posted by Joe | Report as abusive
 

I’m not an American, so won’t comment on the Presidents background (although it is very interesting to read these posts!). What I’m more interested in is the people close to and behind the President (of either party). These people/lobby groups seem to me to be the people who call the shots, the President is just a bit of window dressing to spout distractions while the changes are being effected behind the smoke screen. I’d love to know if and if so, how much influence President Omar Bongo (since deceased) had on Obamas election campaign. Democracy is a joke on the masses.

Posted by Peter H | Report as abusive
 

I have seen the document that the Obama people are saying is his birth certificate and the birthers are saying is a forgery. This document is not even an actual birth certificate. So it does not even matter if it is a forgery. It proves Nothing. An actual birth certificate has the name of the hospital you were born at. The name of the doctor that delivered you. The signature of that doctor. The signature of the Registrar or authority in charge of the birth certificate with his seal stamped in the document. None of this is on the Obama document that I have seen.My Question is, what is going to happen when it is determined that no one has seen an actual birth certificate because one does not exist?? What happens to all of the legislation passed by an Unconstitutional President. Is it repealed, or does the Supreme court just say ooops, o’well. Or for that matter are his Supreme Court nominations who have been put on the bench(by a non President), given the boot. Where would this end.This should be dealt with ASAP. Please (President?) Obama PRODUCE AN ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Posted by Jay | Report as abusive
 

People, please get used to the idea that we have a black man as president. This is what’s behind that whole charade.

Posted by Pierre St. Germain | Report as abusive
 

Duane,Look online for that Obama birth certificate. That part at the bottom where it says it’s prima facie — on its face — legal evidence?There is no law for a long-form birth certificate. If you have to roll around the sewers, don’t blow bubbles.

Posted by Mike | Report as abusive
 

Sometimes, when I find myself with too much time on my hands, I end up reading a quick article and then, all to often, my eyes drift down to the comments section. It’s a lot like seeing a train wreck—you can’t take your eyes off of it—even if it is horrific. When I see how scary this country (USA) has let itself become, especially since that bubbleheaded Reagan got elected, I only find myself wishing that I could actually prove that I WASN’T BORN IN AMERICA! Please, dear God, if you exist—which I like to believe but my hopes are fading fast—please, please, please send the great ball of fire NOW! We REALLY need some relief down here!!!!!

Posted by GreatBallsOFire | Report as abusive
 

How about all the birthers move to Roswell, that way if there are aliens they can all be beamed away and stop their annoying stupidness. I’m a conservative but an American first, we elected Obama deal with it. I didn’t vote for him but I respect the majority who did. They’ll probably vote against him in 4 years wants he raises taxes on the middle class (which he will do, whether directly or indirectly) and doesn’t keep his campaign promises of change.

Posted by Benson | Report as abusive
 

The term ‘conspiracy theory’ is often used as a pejorative.It is a powerful way of dismissing a theory, by implying that the theory is outlandish and goes against overwhelming evidence. When misused, the term becomes a false argument.This article compares the “Obama birth” theory with other ridiculous beliefs. And implies that because of this, the theory is also ridiculous and hence can be dismissed as false.Which leads to the question “Is the belief actually ridiculous?”Consider the following conspiracies:-Despite overwhelming evidence, I do not think man walked on the moon.-Despite the presence of a dead body, I do not believe Elvis is dead.-Despite the lack of supporting evidence, I believe Kennedy was killed by an illuminati/mafia/salvation army plot.Now compare it to this:-I believe that Obama was born outside the USA. On arrival in Hawaii, his parents organised birth details to be made up, so their child would be considered American.There is a subtle difference. Plausibility.The Moon, Elvis and Kennedy theories are ridiculous to the point of utter disbelief. And they go against overwhelming evidence.But the Obama birth theory is quite rational, and well within the realms of possibility. And while there is evidence which may rebut it, this evidence cannot be considered ‘overwhelming’ or ‘decisive’.Those who reject the Obama birth theory are well within their rights to do so. After all, the theory has not been proven.But to dismiss the theory out of hand simply because you associate it with conspiracy, paranoia, racism or republicans? Now that *is* irrational.As long as the theory remains within the bounds of rational possibility, it will be here to stay.For the record my belief is as follows:-Prima facia, Obama is American until proven otherwise.-The fact that Obama was born outside the USA is unproven, but remains possible.Republicans need to accept the first point. And Democrats need to accept the second.

Posted by Anon | Report as abusive
 

These comments have to be music to the government’s ears. We no longer care about the 2 wars, or the economy, the hot button on everyone’s mind is a comment the president made about a cop issue and the authenticity about this birth certificate (which could be proven false by 100 scholars on the subject and it would affect nothing).Keep it up, our bureaucrats love these petty distractions that cause you people to put all your emotion into a bunch of nothings rather than worry about the grave misconduct that goes on everyday.

Posted by Michael Ham | Report as abusive
 

For all the air time the movement’s been given, and all the articles about how their claims are baseless, I’ve seen next to nothing about what they actually believe about the coverup, other than there was one.For JFK, it was about his mob ties. For the moon mission, it was to fool the soviets. For 9-11, it was so Bush could start an oil war. For Obama, it was…?And when do they think the consipacy started? Did his family plan 48 years ago to have a baby, raise him with values that would destroy America, and skill to hide his intentions, but fail completely to make sure the baby was unquestionably a US citizen? Or, at least arrange to have a white son? Because a black president would’ve been pretty unbelievable in 1961.Who does the conspircy include? Just a handful? The entire Obama administration? The Democratic party? The IL government?When people debunk the moon landing, they usually go through point by point and explain in detail what the fallacy of the conspiracy is. When people debunk the birthers, it’s always a blanket statement about how they’re sore losing republicans, or racists, or just stupid.

 

Americans are funny, you treat your politics like a soap opera – full of silly drama that has nothing to do with how qualified a person is to run a country. Is American not the great melting pot? Why does it matter where anyone was born when the represent the majority of voting Americans. So much energy is spent on this silly debate – how can there possibly be any left for actual governing??? How can a man possibly run a successful country when he is treated like tabloid fodder? You should all become Canadian – most of us don’t even know our Prime Ministers wife’s name, care about where he was born, no one would make a fuss if they past him on the street – which means he can actually concentrate on running a country – with free access to doctors, medicines and medical treatment for all by the way.

Posted by CL | Report as abusive
 

You know what would help to solve all these problems?Educated people.The more educated the less impressionable a person is as they (the educated) are more able to think for themselves.In this uneducated America we live in today, well, kids imitate what they see on MTVand their parents imitate what they see on …..

Posted by C. D. Walker | Report as abusive
 

The more I look through this post the more it looks like Obama and his publicity machine have learned the Tony Blair trick of a divisive topic to distract from the real issues (Blairs pointless distractions included Banning Fox Hunting, about 2 years worth of distraction, Banning Smoking at least another 2 years, the ideal distraction will split the country 50-50 for endless debate). I wouldn’t be too surprised if they were funding these “birthers”. Sad, but I guess that’s what’s become of democracy in the century 21. Blair started out looking promising too with his declaration to change politics, and he did – but not for the better.

Posted by Peter H | Report as abusive
 

Obama’s hidden records and natural born citizenship are legitimate issues.It’s no surprise that Hillary Clinton just went to Kenya to reinforce the cover-up.I still want answers. Obummer, put up or get out!!!! All he has to do is make the following official public statement,”I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”That’s it. Issue over. But he won’t because he’s a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don’t BHO’s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Posted by Captain Steve | Report as abusive
 

Issues like this should always be resolved with excessive openness, not stonewalling.OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Posted by Captain Steve | Report as abusive
 

There are three issues at hand:*Obama has been very candid with potentially-damaging things, like cocaine abuse (read his autobio). Yet, he refuses to release mundane records, like his Long Form birth certificate and college admission records. This is uncharacteristically odd.*Owing to idyosynchratic HI law, the Certificate Of Live Birth (the document released by Obama and ‘verified’ by FactCheck–NOT an official agency by any means) has been issued to persons who were NOT born in HI. Contrary to what some have said, Hawai’i's department of health claims to still have the origional (with physician’s name. &c.) birth certificate on file. A nominal fee is required to obtain a photocopy of it. The Certificate Of Live Birth is NOT considered sufficient, for the purposes of, for example, the Hawai’ian Homestead Program. Hawai’ian officials have only commented that they have the document on file, but have stopped short of revealing its contents. Obama has also refused to release his college admission records, which the Bushes, John Kerry and John McCain have done. Such records would indicate if Obama recieved scholarships available to only FOREIGN students. Additionally, Obama has been inconsistent about which hospital he was born at. While he previously mentioned Queens, he’s now settled on Kapi’olani. Neither hospital will confirm, or deny this.*Roger Calero, Presidential candidate for the Socialist Workers Party, successfully got on the ballot in several states. This is despite being frank about having been born in Nicaragua. Unless the Posey bill is passed, there is no vetting procedure in place to ensure that a President-elect actually meets the constitutional eligibility requirements. This can not be taken on faith. For someone who campaigned on a platform of ‘transparency’, why is Obama witholding these records? Democrats rightly insisted that McCain’s eligibility status (he was born in the Canal Zone) be cleared up–they should demand the same of Obama.

Posted by Adam | Report as abusive
 

Duane, if you’re going to assert it’s the law that a single particular form of birth certificate that not all states necessarily use is the sole form acceptable to prove US citizenship, please cite that law so that we all may verify it and thus become convinced ourselves. And in the meantime, since you’re so hung up on birth certificates, how about a national law that says only one single form of birth certificate is acceptable for getting a driver’s licence, Social Security card, passport, and to vote? Let’s see how far you get with that hare-brained idea. So let’s see yours, Duane, Jay, Anon, Captain Steve. What’s sauce for the goose . . .

Posted by borisjimbo | Report as abusive
 

“Joe” suggest that I am on crack by stating it wouldn’t really matter where Obama was born as long as he was the best person for the task at hand. As long as so many people of U.S. citizenry continue to proudly display the grotesque degree of their ignorance I would be all for outsourcing internationally jobs that should demand skill and intelligence, such as the office of the presidency.As for the birthers, am I wrong to think that all this rhetoric from them is utterly disingenuous considering there was a large number of Republicans behind the idea of making constitutional changes to allow Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president, despite his not being born in the U.S.? The hypocrisy and puerility (and xenophobia if you honestly believe Obama was a ‘foreigner’) behind Republican shenanigans since Obama’s election has been stunning. He’s the Anti-Christ, he’s not a citizen, he looked at a girl’s bum…if it wasn’t such a tragic display of what is utterly wrong with the U.S. education system it would be hysterically comical. I don’t think Weird Al’s song “Dare To Be Stupid” was meant to be a challenge, but some people have definitely been taking it literally.

Posted by Cesar Hechler | Report as abusive
 

“My Question is, what is going to happen when it is determined that no one has seen an actual birth certificate because one does not exist??”Ain’t gonna happen, sweetiebuns: the Registrar in Hawaii has verified that she has seen it and it is legitimate. Next stupid question?

Posted by Tom | Report as abusive
 

Obama is President because God decided to punish all you Birthers for your terminal stupidity. It’s God’s will. Now will you shut up?

Posted by Tom | Report as abusive
 

There is only one reason anyone would spend over one million dollars to NOT show their birth certificate. I have a recording of the Kenyan ambassador bragging about how Obama was born in Kenya and they are putting up a little shrine to it! His grandmother is on recorded audio that she was there in Kenya when he was born.When all this comes out, and it will, the damage to the country will be terrific and there will be only one to blame.

 

Joe Gayan,If you’re right and this is true what damage will it do to our country? Maybe it’ll be be very damaging to be people who are against Kenyans? Is that it?Certainly having Americans in office doesn’t work, maybe we should outsource all of our government/political positions.

Posted by Michael Ham | Report as abusive
 

Miss Lewinsky and now the birth certificate.Seems that republicans need to find these kind of arguments because they haven’t much to say, the debate has to be about anything but a political program.In this times of crisis, joblosses, bailouts, americans need to focuse on a birth certificate, this will help alot I’m sure.Great to know what people like Limbaugh, Cheney, Dobb or birthers think, nah really…

Posted by Jack | Report as abusive
 

I wonder if this whole birth certificate issue has something to do with Republican guilt about supporting someone whose first four year term of his presidency was illegitimate, namely George Dubya Bush. Why was this man in the White House from 2001 to 2005, when he lost the popular vote by half a million and should have lost the electoral college vote, because (as research later proved)he lost the popular vote in Florida, the state whose electoral college votes gave him the presidency? You’ll remember he used those four years to start a war in Iraq based on lies about WMD that resulted in the death of thousands of young American soldiers and countless thousands of innocent Iraqis.I wonder if ‘birthers’ get as worked up about that man being in the White House who blatantly had no business there for the fundamental reason that he lost the election! A little more important I’d say than the silly fantasy about birth certificates, which officials of both parties (Republican and Democrat) acknowledge is a non issue.

Posted by Alec | Report as abusive
 

Perhaps the President was born on a boat within Hawaii’s protected waters and was taken to the hospital for recovery. The hospital could be obligated to issue his birth certificate, but regardless he is our President and with the economy in tatters we Americans must support our majority selected Leader. PERIOD

Posted by lindafranke1952 | Report as abusive
 

I am a registered Republican so I did not vote for Barack Obama last November. However, for those of us that didn’t invest our vote, in fatih I refer to President Obama as my “RONI” President. (Return On Non-Investment)

Posted by lindafranke1952 | Report as abusive
 

Some people aren’t convinced Barack Obama was born at all; rather, that he was manufactured.I mean, somebody *had* to be thinking, “How about we put a nice, apparently intelligent, reasonably eloquent guy in charge for a few years while we go on doing the very same thing we’ve been getting away with under Darth Vader and the dolt with the Goat book?”As a hypothesis, it’s unassailable.

Posted by The Bell | Report as abusive
 

Blah blah blah. If someone doesn’t like a Liberal politician they must be a crazy Republican. If someone doesn’t like a Republican politician, they must be a heathen Liberal. Either way, let’s make sure not to question authority, because Lord knows we don’t know any better, right?Anyway, I personally don’t care what country Obama was born in. I see why it is important, but we’ve got bigger problems right now. Mr. Debusmann, you are just as bad as Limbaugh, Dobbs and the rest of them. You are implying that people should not question their government; that we should all walk in a straight line and assume the guys in charge will take care of us. Just because some conspiracy theories are stupid, does not mean that they are all insane ‘myths.’ A conspiracy is two or more people planning to do something illegally or in secret. Are you saying this never occurs? Our government has openly admitted to doing illegal and/or immoral things in secret before – did they just stop? Are we more civilized than we were in the sixties?

Posted by Emma | Report as abusive
 

That’s nothing. You want to hear a real crazy conspiracy?Some people believe that Obama intentionally based his campaign on emotional and political spin, in order to manipulate an impressional voter base.Those same people also believe that regardless of his promises, all he will do is maintain the status quo of the last eight years.And that because Obama has formed a cult of personality, the voters will love him regardless of how ineffective he ultimately turns out to be.Crazy stuff, eh? The average American voter would never be that stupid…

Posted by Anon | Report as abusive
 

Hawaii uses two, and only two forms of authentic papers concerning someone born in Hawaii. Sorry birthers.The two are Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth. I’ll repeat this…both are acceptable. The difference between the two is readily available, do the research if you wish. Google State of Hawaii. Go from there. There is no form called “birth certificate” in Hawaii. No one is guarding some vault somewhere, hiding a mysterious paper, saying “Barack Obama’s birth certificate”, some form that no one else in Hawaii ever got.The President’s certificate is the only documentation there is. It’s the only documentation needed. Where his mom lived, where his dad lived, where the certificate says they lived is unimportant as long as his mom, a United States citizen from Kansas, was in Hawaii at the moment of the President’s birth. She was. Endo. Fini.Right wing pundits earn their living on the backs of others. It’s a small group, hayseed in nature, and easily led around.People who cannot and will not accept a black Democrat as President are desperately grasping to a straw that leads nowhere. right wing pundits, charlatans to the core, cruelly feeds on their ignorance, their hate, and their fear of a black president. It’s their way of making a living. It’s what they do.I’m not defending the morons that buy this schlock. They are lazy beyond imagination and beneath contempt because a tiny bit of education would allow them to see the President’s documentation is adequate…indeed it’s all there is.Or….their ignorance is purposeful. It’s the last hope they have to hold on to their vision of “America the way it should be”. You can easily figure out what that means.The second possibility is more likely.

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